Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps'

Well Jews certainly made their contribution in the British armed forces and in the struggle for Irish independence too. Jews have risked or given their lives in the service of their adopted countries all over the world.


Colonel Berek Joselewicz (1764-1809) formed and commanded an entirely Jewish battalion who took part in the defence of Praga during the Kościuszko Uprising in 1794. Only a few men including Joselewicz survived. He died in 1809 in the Battle of Kock so he gave his life for Poland.

During the November Uprising of 1830 the Jews of Warsaw petitioned the authorities to be allowed to join the various military units under the same conditions as other denominations. Jews immediately began joining up and in 1831 distinct Jewish city guards were created in each city vovoideship. The Jewish city guard of Warsaw took part in the Battle of Warsaw in 1831 - so again Jewish lives given for Polish independence.

ROFLED HARD. HE ASKED ABOUT WW1 OR WW2's UPRISINGS LOL.
In WW2 there was many more Jews selling out other Jews for money than Poles doing same. Some Jews actually ran Death Camps. "Jewish Death Camps" then?

Yes which shows how little either of you knows about Polish history. No Polish army in World War One. Nor did he clearly ask about World War Two's uprisings. But if it comes to that, the two main uprisings of WWII were the Warsaw uprising by which time most Jews were already dead and the Ghetto Uprising by the Jews themselves which occurred in 1943. Incidentally Dirk gave misleading figures when he denigrated the Jews for their low membership of the AK. The AK did not have 500,000 membership until it reached its peak in 1945 by which time the Jews had been wiped out. In any case that membership number is a generous estimate. Other estimates place it as low as 300,000 at its peak.

In the meantime 200,000 Jews of Polish origin fought in both the regular Polish army and the Polish army in exile throughout the war. In 1941 Twelve Polish Jews were decorated by General Sikorski with the highest order of merit for bravery in the Polish army. Research the rest yourself if you're interested - which you're not.

TWELVE LOL

Anyway "Jews of Polish origin" lol.
If there's an Irish having a polish passport is he Polish or not? Leftards usually deny any ethnic originality saying it doesn't matter because "you're Polish if you think you are", right? So we can easily say that ALL VICTIMS OF THE DEATH CAMPS WERE POLES since there was noe Jweish Nation during that time and "Jew" isn't a nationality. That makes POLES the greatest victims of WW2, right?

Why do you keep shouting? We can hear you perfectly alright. Nobody else does that - not even loudmouth me. I think the Mods should be told.

I type lol
If you hear shouts i recommend seeing PSYCHIATRIST!!!

You're being ridiculous. When I say Jews of Polish origin, I mean Polish Jews. If one were to count the number of Jews of Polish ancestry who fought in either war it would run into far higher numbers. By the way that was twelve decorated on one occasion not for the total of the war - you really are as daft as a brush. But it wouldn't matter if it were twelve thousand, you'd mock and scorn because it's very easy to do so from the vantage point of a comfy chair and a computer rather than from the realities of war.

Why say origin? In any other case (if it suits you) you don't even mention origin of people.There's no ancestry. THOSE JEWS WERE POLES. POLES. They came to Poland after being rounded up and banished from France, UK and Germany where they were discriminated. They came to Poland and found peace. No-one was discriminating them here (as opposite to the so called "WESTERN" nations). They could live the lives they wanted here in Poland. They became POLES. Why do you even mention their religion? Judaism is a religion not nationality.


It would. I'd still say Poles saved more Jews than Jews themselves though.

Clearly you haven't been following this discussion - surprise, surprise. According to Dirk Diggler and others, Jews are not and cannot be considered Polish.

Are they Poles?

What do you mean 'are they Poles'?? Do you mean 'the others'? Dirk is a Pol-Am, Polish blood, American upbringing. As for Gregy what's-his-name, yes he's Polish or claims to be. Probably in reality another little FOP - friend of Putin. Anyway what does it have to do with the price of spuds?

I have a query.
In the 1970s, Britain had a couple of pornography campaigners (anti anything at all that was titillating). One of them, called Mary Whitehouse, declared a certain film (Deep Throat) to be "disgusting" and "obscene" - and upon being asked how precisely, she said that it featured certain scenes that were "an affront to public morals"

When asked if she had seen such a film (which any schoolboy of the time found deeply disappointing in actual content) she replied that she hadn't seen it, and had no intention of doing so.

So my question is simply this. How many of Poland's government ministers and their lobbyists have actually studied the literature, as to how particularly the Poles reputation as a state is allegedly being smeared, or should they be categorised as modern day Mary Whitehouses?

Did you study the law? Otherwise you're a Mary and shouldn't talk about anything you didn't study. Did you study film making? Otherwise you can't have an opinion on movies.

I suspect that many of these ministers haven't studied the material either, but have been been briefed by civil servants who are at best a tad one-sided and

opinionated.
I must say I haven't studied the Jewish question, and so am ignorant of the facts. I would hazard a guess that I am not the only one.

I think this is a sad day for Poland.

In any case, duda signed so its poland 1, israel 0

Everyone knows this law really isnt about some phrase. Its about nationalism and standing up to israel/jews with a clear message - Polska dla Polakow!!! This government and its supporters arent going to take **** from anyone - especially israel or some jews meddling in polish affairs.

I give duda a standing ovation - he managed to **** off israel, defend polish pride and dignity, and get rid of one of the biggest zionists in pl - the israeli ambassador.

Polska jest kurwa.

Awwww did duda hurt your feelings?? U zionist b1tches never fight your own battles. Even this time you had to call in the us crying for help (much like you did to poland begging to be let in centuries ago because no other european country wanted you guys) but even rex tillerson and the zionist occupied government of USA couldnt help you. Perhaps this will set a new precedent of countries standing up to israel. Perhaps one day syria will liberate the golan, lebanon will come in from the north (you already lost against them before, so you had to retalliate by bombing lebanese schools and hospitals) iran will occupy the knesset building, and palestinians can finally have THEIR land back.

Nope. The legislation is simply about Polish Nation not guilty for Holocaust. Polish Nation didn't support nor accept Death Camps. You can still name and shame (rightfully) a polish citizen that collaborated with Germans (not Nazis. Nazis weren't a fking tribe. Nazis WERE GERMANS!)

German nation did! They voted for Hitler. Hitler WAS A GERMAN NATION's voice.

Its part that, but really its a message. The message and symbolism behind the law are more important imo than the law itself. It tells the world this is poland, hands off - poles make their own decisions and laws and we dont want any outside interference whether it be from israel or the eu.

The truth is poles and jews got along great at the beginning of the war. However by 1941 1942 the relationship changed drastically due to all the jews gradually siding with the red army amd ussr whilst rejecting the legit government and AK. The AL, a pro commie pro ussr force, had far more jews in it than the ak or the nsz, although with nsz its understandable why jews didnt join. Many of those al jews would later end up in the ub, killing AK/NSZ members and collaborated with the soviet administrators following the red army helping usher in the prl. Its likely that poland wouldve become a satellite nation either way, but the jews serving in al, red army, etc certainly helped bring it about. People like the so called 'polish jews' like michbik and morel were more than happy to enforce ussrs desires and kill polish ak soldiers. A real pole would never do that - he would never kill ak members as they are patriots of the highest order to actual poles by blood, not ink and paper. Poles and so called polish jews fought against each other for decades up until 1967 when many left or changed their names to more polish sounding ones. Poles ought to be united whether jew or christian, but the jews didnt want that and sided with stalin and the ussr. Oh but these jews are real poles right - the most patriotic people poland ever had, yet they killed true poles like ak generals who helped their sorry ass at the start of the war. Not all, but a significant portion (majority) sided with ussr. They were soooo polish that they had no problem siding with polands nemesis at the drop of a hat.

I'd have to honestly take a close(r) look at some brick-and-mortar sources for that, I'm afraid. Wiki's limited in more ways than one, furthermore, it surely won't be the first time either that the perpetrator's cried victim!

This pernicious slander that the Jews have something in their genes which makes them so rapacious for power that they seek to take over the world has to be finally put to rest. As it can't be proven, it has zero validity:-)

No, they didn't. Back to the history books for you.

@Dougpol, slight correction here. A majority of the poorer classes DID in fact vote Hitler into office, it was however the military who felt that once voting Hitler in, they could easily sway him to do their bidding! The less fortunate sectors of German society felt they had no choice but to elect Hitler; even Hindenburg (senile at the time though he was) was fooled when he conceded official power over to Hitler.

The point is that Hitler was voted into power, DEMOCRATICALLY too, one should add:-)

Hitler was not democratically elected in November 1932. The NSDAP only got 33.09% and saw a significant drop in votes compared to the previous election. The March 1933 elections weren't free anymore.

Again, it might not have been a "fair" election in terms of the outcome, but yes, it certainly was democratic, TheOther!!

What about arresting people who murdered Jews then? A bit late, and Wiesenthal and others tried, but today we have a so-called democratic political system, and if one could get the neighbours to talk........

Well, numerous historical events and documents as well as powerful political groups show otherwise - from the balfour declaration to the odin yinon plan to the numerous Zionists lobbies which totally control the us to the secret alliances between groups left, right (like EDL, breitbart, etc), and center, etc and especially the Talmud which clearly explains the mindset of the supremacist Zionist. Also, the dancing mossad guys and spies captured on g.w. bridge after 9/11, the numerous incursions into sovereign countries like Iraq, Syria, etc., the public announcement by an Israeli PM who stated that goys only exist to serve Jews - yea all those things cause people to believe that yes, Jews or more specifically Zionists are carefully subverting societies to get their way.


Kind of like how today Israel is destroying people's homes, setting up settlements deemed illegal by the UN, having a secret weapons program and refusing to allow UN inspectors, bombing schools and hospitals in Gaza, West Bank and occasionally Lebanon, etc. They turned from persecuted to persecutor VERY quickly

Don't be silly Lyzko. Please stick to American history. As TheOther rightly states, the opposition parties held a majority in the 1933 "free" election. Even murder and intimidation on an unprecedented scale didn't allow Hitler to get a parliamentary majority. They were the biggest party - that's not the same thing. In Catalonia, the Pro-independence parties won the election,and as a coalition will form the next government. The biggest party in parliament has no allies of much size. That's how people agree and are free to horsetrade in a democracy with that system, but in a nationalist madhouse what you get is anarchy.

Lesson learnt in Europe? Time will tell, and some have nuclear:(

Doug, the far right could be stopped dead in their friggin tracks if the left who is in power would put an end to resettling asylum seekers in European countries. Pay off a third country to house them, I think Uganda and Zimbabwe, and other countries with struggling economies would be welcome to the idea of Europe footing the bill, in the same way we have agreed to do with Turkey. Agree that those given asylum already will stay in Europe until their countries become safe, if ever, but will never attain citizenship. With those concessions the support for the far-right would evaporate overnight.

Not just that. They'd also have to learn to respect countries' sovereignty and not become involved in domestic political affairs. The average European views the purpose of the EU as a mainly economic and social institution that's supposed to bring the economies and societies of the EU nations closer together. However, the EU quickly started pushing far left wing agendas. Tens of millions of Europeans are very much against that - and it's not just right wingers and nationalists. Libertarians, centrists, and even quite a few people on the left feel the same way. Poles are sick and tired of having to abide by ridiculous dictates by the German dominated Brussels. Poles feel as if even though Germany caused a ton of problems during WW1 and WW2 and surrendered, they've ended up becoming the bully in Europe again. However, now instead of panzers and stukas they have dictates.

Want to stop the rise of the right and far right all over Europe? Simple - stop pushing far left dictates and forcing countries to take in people they don't want. Stop telling them how to run their court system. Stop pushing gay and tranny propaganda literally encouraging kindergarteners to dress up in different genders' clothing and play drag queen. Stop trying to dilute each nation's culture and Christianity. Then the left and right will be able to get along and you won't have things like Brexit, the rebellion of the V4 against Brusells, rise of the AfD, etc. Although, it's probably too late for that. Thanks to Merkel and the libtards in the EC and EP, Europe has faced a literal deluge of migrants from every sh1t hole country known to man. This is going to change the demographics forever. Well, we don't want that in Poland and neither do the citizens of many other European countries. We're not going to become Germany France or Sweden and have no-go zones surrounding our capital, were not going to allow Islamic terror attacks and preachers who praise things like suicide bombings and call for a total invasion of Europe and forced conversions. Yet despite all the problems they've caused, the left continues to apologize for the migrant crimes and rationalize all the terrible things that have happened ever since Merkel opened the floodgates.


America has given billions to Africa. Well, since it's such a corrupt sh1thole most of that money was stolen by politicians and military officers. The Chinese are making greater in roads than anyone else. The reason why is instead of giving donations and hence causing the country to eventually become reliant on donations giving them no incentive to develop the country and clean up corruption, the Chinese instead built infrastructure, mines, factories, etc. THis is a WAY better long term strategy and the US should've done the same. Instead of repeatedly giving donations, it's not only more economical to build a factory or set up a gold mind and give Africans work at such a facility so they can feed themselves. Mugabe eventually relented and allowed the plantation owners to return - but not to become owners again and merely manage the farms. Meanwhile, Mugabe and his wife Gucci Grace travel around the world and spend hundreds of thousands on shopping trips in France - all money stolen from plantation owners and donations from western governments - which UK has cut off because of Mugabe's behavior. Thank goodness he's finally gone now. Although, it is highly likely that another guy that's just as corrupt will take his place and perhaps be even worse. Such is the story of sub Saharan Africa.

On the note of Zimbabwe, when Europeans ruled the country it's economy was in an infinitely better stage. Zimbabwe, aka Rhodesia, use to be the bread basket of Africa. Europeans knew how to run it and hence the average wages went way up, there were tons of exports especially food, unemployment was low, etc. But what happened? Mugabe and his African generals screwed it all up. They simply don't know how to run a country. Immediately the country went into a recession, Mugabe flat out stole the best plantations to give to himself and friends, and the country went from being a major food exporter to not only importing food - but relying on donations of food so the people don't starve. That is how so many pathetic African leaders are and very few actually care about their people. It's the same story with South Africa which use to be very prosperous. Poles even went there in the 70s and 80s for work. However, now the country is messed up, has among the highest violent crime rates in the world, upper middle class people have to live around barbed wire and armed security all the time, and the government is dominated by nepotism and corruption. This isn't what Mandela had in mind that's for sure.