Does Polish hotel have right to turn down Americans and Israelis?

And besides, the Polish hotel hasn't done anything so why take it out on the owners by destroying the hotel? That's just childish, destructive behavior.

Don't ask me,ask them. did you see Defamation?

This reminds me USSR times, when foreigh tourists were charged much more at Soviet museums, galleries, hotels, restaurants etc. I read funny reports how Polish tourists tried to look like locals to avoid higher payments.

How about Russia today? Is the old communist custom kept?


I think so. Private property is a holy place and you can do what you want there.
If you do things according to moral rules is another matter.

I have not,but that story made me chuckle,are we really expected to believe that Hot dog stands are turning away people for not being cherry cheeked,apple pie luvin genuine born in the USA ,born on the fourth of July Americans?

Lols,are there actually any Hot dog stands where the guy selling the dogs even speaks English???


The Osama Bin Laden Hates Guns Gay Bar?


Poland for a start....Polish friend asks price for a cap, 20pln
I ask price in my best but obviously non native Polish, 100pln.....
This was on a Market,but,it works both ways,a couple of the stall holders on finding I wasnt Polish threw in free gifts,one I didnt even buy anything from chased after me and pressed a book in my hands :)

Almost everywhere in Czech Republic and once or twice in Great Britain.I must admit I never witnessed anything like that in Germany.And I heard that in Russia it's also common.

A hotel owner or shopkeeper can refuse service or refuse to accommodate someone. Equally any price can be charged and its can vary person to person.

Anything you see is offered at a price - the shopkeeper does not have to sell it to you. This is a basic concept in law, its an offer.

However, explicitly stating that certain people will not be served is discrimination and illegal.

The hotel should not of publically stated he wouldn't accept Yanks and Israelis, he should have just excluded them privately.

Very clever.
But a bit unfair, too - you arrive at the premises without a booking because of technical problems and out of the blue learn you have to look for another accommodation.

any link to support your claim? I know about Poles having problems with obtaining visa to the US but never heard about Poles being send back to Poland when entering the country with a legal document but even if your claim is correct (which I doubt), denying Americans to stay at your hotels, won't help your case either.

The famous case of Zakopower folk group in 2009. Part of the group were allowed in, the other part, with the same visas, on another day, were denied entry.

freerepublic.com/tag/zakopower/index

usa.se.pl/rozrywka/plotki/zakopowera-deportowany-usa_112038.html

It still doesn't indicate that this is a very common situation but I'll tell you what's pretty common in the US, many of your countrymen overstay visa and that's why, you guys are having problems with obtaining visa to the US to begin with.

Is the hotel so financially well off, they have the option of chosing their customers selectively? Other business and service-oriented hotels in Poland would appreciate the opportunity, to provide commodities for tourists from both the United States and Israel.

This is talking about denying service to someone specifically based on their ethnic origin.

Denying services to people based on their nationality happens all the time. What else do you call different visa rules for different nationalities?

Not really, just a basic law going back hundreds of years. When you walk in a shop on visit an online shop the shopkeeper can refuse to sell goods to you at the displayed price. This is why websites that make pricing errors don't have to supply the goods at that price.

If you arrive at a place WITHOUT a booking you have no right, or expectation, to be accommodated in any case. Even if you did have a booking the 'rights' you had would be limited and dependent on - say - the credit card agreement the Hotelier signed, not the 'booking/deposit'.

Anyway, a hotel owner could simply refuse to accept booking dependent on the identity of the person, which he is given as part of the booking process. Blocking countries from accessing a website is easy to do (I blocked China for instance)


The US/Israel are not EU citizens, so they have the same rights as EU citizens do in the the USA, ie on the same level as dogs.


Right, because Poles are given free access to the US and treated the same as US citizens..


And this is one hotel owner but you are threatening the whole of Poland with a boycott?

This reeks of gimmickry. "Look at us", we're so anti-America/Israeli that we don't want their filthy bodies polluting our rooms. They hoping to cash in on Anti-western/Israeli vitriol while there's a fad for it, replacing those guests with zealots who have more money than sense. When it becomes less fashionable (read: economical) to exclude one group's money over another, they will no doubt change the policy, put out a "NOW UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT!" banner, and pretend to have expelled those bad eggs. I guarantee you this hotel wasn't exactly a "Must-See" on Froder's travel guide, to begin with.

No. That doesn't ring true. Some pubs in holiday resorts used to have a cheaper price for the town's regulars but that was never done openly and has gone out of fashion. Discriminating on the basis of different EU nationality just wouldn't happen.


As usual you've got the wrong end of the stick. If you read my post you'll see that I'm talking about the holiday centre's dual pricing.

.... for the obvious reason that British establishments would have to LOWER their prices for most EU countries nationals seeing as GB is one of the most expensive places to live in europe.

There was a similar case of an Austrian hotel a few years ago. The reaction was more or less the same as in Poland.

jta.org/news/article/2009/05/11/1005058/austrian-hotel-refuses-jewish-family

According to the daily Tiroler Tageszeitung, the owner of the Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel in the village of Serfaus in the Austrian Tyrol told a Viennese Jewish family it did not take Jewish guests, citing "bad experiences" in the past.

The Serfaus region has become so popular with Orthodox Jewish vacationers in recent years that some local hotels have koshered their kitchens and provide timed lights and other accessories for Shabbat observance.

Local officials branded the refusal as "unacceptable." The incident shocked the local tourist industry and made headlines around the world.


Who knows? Suggestions of attempts to boost publicity for the place might be correct.....

Look at the quote in the excerpt above: The incident shocked the local tourist industry and made headlines around the world.

Read Canada Immigration Forum, you'll see it's more common than you think; the border guards are gods in their mind as well as the law and can overturn legally issued visa on a whim, depending on the mood they are in at the moment. I'm sure that after reading this you'll find out that these overstay visa myths are just that a mere accusation by the BP officer is enough to be deemed so and flagged in the system as so. If there's any consolation for those that had a bad experience I hear the Canadians are wising up and turn away more and more Americans at the border, a simple DUI case from the 80's does the trick to deny the entry. I'm sure the southern border is at least a 1000 times worst alienating a continent and a half south of that border.

Here you are arguing that those are some isolated cases yet ***** and moan about a single Hotel in some obscure southern town in Poland posting a sign that offends you? Get a life and smell the coffee, things are not as rosy as you think with your own affairs . As I've said before; you reap what you sow. Karma most certainly is a *****, it will take some time but sooner or later it will all catch up with you. You will be treated the same as you treat others, end of story.

As for Americans, the hotel owner reasons to turn them down might be this:

rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/02/vermont-farmer-crushes-7-police-cars-with-tractor-over-pot-arrest/

A Vermont farmer used his tractor to crush seven Orleans County Sheriff's Department squad cars on Thursday because he was angry ......

The guy needs to chill out. As for this ban on Americans, it's not good business sense. In business, it is important to make a profit, not alienate customers.

Exactly. As for alienating customers, it's the basic rule of hospitality that they shouldn't at all cost. A bigger issue is maybe alienating potential customers. If they bother to put such a nasty bit of text in their advert about Americans and Israelis as well as openly advertising that they charge three times as much to people who don't live in Poland then it's a huge red flag to anyone either Polish or foreign.

What the holiday centre's proprietor is essentially saying is that they are an awkward prickly individual - an arsehole even - and the advert is giving potential paying customers a warning that there is probably all sorts of other unpleasantness in store for anyone daft enough to stay there.

I meant the guy with the tractor. But the guy who owns the hotel should too.

This is thread is about discrimination against non EU customers. Your post is off topic, although its correct.


He's now world famous for the loss of 0% of his customers. In all probability he got no US or Israeli customers before.


Its not zealotry to prefer to not spend time with other people, depending or race, age or whatever. I'd say its normal. I think I'd be more than happy not to spend time with British people in a shared Chalet while on a skiing holiday for instance. My friends, sure but random twats you have to speak to every day for a week, preferably not.

Indeed, the Canadians are incredibly strict about this sort of thing. It also seems specifically targeted at Americans, too.

Yes., because they come from a country which practises Nazi final solution on Palestinians. Israelis need to be boycotted like Russians.

Please, even if you are angry... do not place us in the same category as those genocidal maniacs.

America is owned by them, so its behavior can be excused.

Russia owes Israel nothing. In fact, it is Israel that owes us.

Nobody with a functioning brain does. Russia and Israel are both right to kill the enemy. My beef with both is that it's taking way too long to finish the job.

If Ukraine in NATO is an existential threat to Russia, Hamas is an existential threat to Israel. It most certainly was to the 1300 dead Israelis on 10/7.

@Novichok

There is no Christian love in what Israel is doing to those poor Arabs.

Israel did all it could to be "Christian". In 2005, it forced all Jews out of Gaza. Let the Gazans elect their own government. Employed thousands in Israel.
Do you really want me to list what Israel got in return?

I wrote in another thread:
I prefer a better analogy - brutal German pacifications of Polish villages which supported forest partisans. Germans surrounded the village, murdered men, women and children and then claimed they eliminated a few dozen partisan Polnische Banditen.

That`s exactly what Nazi Israelis are doing in Gaza - they murder civilians claiming they are Hamas fighters.
That is why calling them Nazis is fully grounded. And this opinions is spreading all over the world like a hurricane.