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US expert rejects visa waiver for Poles


PolAmKrakow 1 | 15    
9 Jul 2018  #31
@Joker

Did I say I was embarrassed about my US Passport? I think you have a reading comprehension issue that should be addressed.
Joker - | 677    :-(
9 Jul 2018  #32
Did I say I was embarrassed about my US Passport?

They laugh at you. Im sorry, I took your words out of context.
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
9 Jul 2018  #33
They laugh at you

They laugh at themselves. Both Mr. Mazur and Dirk's parents paid that 10k deposit on entering the US, didn't you know?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
9 Jul 2018  #34
The people entering Europe and us decades ago are not the same bogus asylum seekers and freeloaders as today. Back then people came to work, study and assimilate. Today it's the opposite. Times change.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
9 Jul 2018  #35
Both Mr. Mazur and Dirk's parents paid that 10k deposit on entering the US, didn't you know?

I don't know about Dirk's parents but mine didn't pay a dime. Instead, to be allowed to immigrate to the US, I had to do a couple of things:

1. Show my diploma as a proof that I had the skills the US economy needed. Check.
2. Submit to a comprehensive medical examination including TB and STD's. Check.
3. Have a sponsor. Check
4. Show that I had sufficient funds. I had $1500 on me, which in 1967 was about 10 grand in today's money. Check.
5. Swear that I never was a member of the communist party, committed a crime or engaged in prostitution. Check.

No, I didn't have anyone in the US I would be coming to. I left everything and everybody back in Poland. In five years I was a citizen, and in two more I stopped speaking Polish. In the entire 51 years, I never took a dime in welfare. Now, I want a statue to honor all the immigrants like me with "Poor and Uneducated - Stay the F*** away" on it.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
9 Jul 2018  #36
We came here with a few hundred to our name and lived in an infested apartment. Our first pieces of furniture was stuff rich people threw out. Now i live in the same suburb where we use to look for curb side furniture. And today just one of us pays more in taxes than the average American household grosses.

If an immigrant cannot make an income greater than the average (or atleast provide above average skills and contributions to society) they should be deported.

Notice that E Asians, indians and Europeans make well above the average. It's mind boggling how a person can come from a foreign country, not know the language, not know anyone yet within a decade they're making six fig incomes and buying mc mansions. Yet 'minorities' who speak the language, are citizens can't manage to pay their bills without government (taxpayer) assistance. It's pathetic.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 15    
9 Jul 2018  #37
Strange how a sense of entitlement comes with being a US Citizen, even when it isn't given at birth. If you do not like Poland so much and you are glad to be gone from the country, why "contribute" so much so often on this board? Congratulations, you got citizenship in an era when it was much easier and travel was much less restrictive.

Citizenship has its rights in the United States. One of them however is NOT a right to judge anyone. I am sure you are one of those great citizens who find it simply remarkable that the rest of the world thinks our president is an absolute donkey. Because the nationalist isolationist practices at work have proven to be so wildly successful in Russia and North Korea.

Again, isn't this board about providing quality information and discussion about Poland?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
9 Jul 2018  #38
rest of the world thinks our president is an absolute donkey

Who gives a **** what they think? They just don't like the fact that sugar daddy are sick of paying for companionship without any release at the end. And actually Poland and trumps America are quite close. Poland trusts the us way more than the western eu states and for good reason.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 15    
9 Jul 2018  #39
Really? Poland trusts the US? You mean the Polish government or the Polish citizens? Because, actually being in Poland now and having conversations with citizens would probably surprise you. Since the majority I deal with personally and professionally think Trump is a liar. Liar being probably the tamest descriptor many people are using in between laughing about how the US is being torn apart.

Sugar daddy? Seriously? Maybe some nice Snoop Dog quotes in the ensuing posts would be fitting of such profound speech. Then again, we should expect nothing less with such a screen name.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
9 Jul 2018  #40
I deal with personally and professionally think Trump is a liar.

Probably a teacher in a Marxist uni full of foreign students, or a corporate where you have to be seen as a liberal to get on. The rest of Poland cant get enough of Trump, yep I live here too.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 15    
9 Jul 2018  #41
Actually an entrepreneur. I haven't worked for anyone other than myself in more than 20 years. Full blown conservative in many fiscal matters. I am just a free thinker and don't subscribe to any cults of personality. History has a way of dealing with such cults.

Thankfully the rest of Poland has so many intelligent people to defend their pro Trump feelings on this message board with tactics better suited for third grade bullies during recess.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
9 Jul 2018  #42
defend their pro Trump feelings on this message board

Thing is I am not pro Trump or pro PO or PIS for that matter, I am just stating that the vast majority of people I come in contact both where I live and also on my travels are very much in the Trump / PiS camp, It maybe down to geographic s, I do not live in a city for instance.

But when I talk to expats which I know plenty, they are in the main,Anti Trump anti PIS, might be due to them generally having being left leaning types back in their homelands, we can have some quite heated barbecues when the local Poles and expats meet up and start getting alcohol down their necks.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
9 Jul 2018  #43
Citizenship has its rights in the United States. One of them however is NOT a right to judge anyone.

Yes, I have that right. It's right there in the US Constitution. Also known as the First Amendment. That's speaking legally.

Morally, being judgmental has always been part of civilized life. We judge what we find immoral, abhorrent and a danger to the tribe. Like obesity, for example.

A fat guy is not only useless, but he is a danger and a liability to the rest of us. I can give you as many examples as you would like. Even kids sense it and ridicule fatsos mercilessly. Good for the bullies. They are doing the society a favor without even realizing.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
9 Jul 2018  #44
Really? Poland trusts the US?

Definitely. That's why Poland (it's citizen and the government who they democratically elected) trust Trump and the us to protect them in case of a war and not France, UK, germany etc. They're not asking any brits or Germans to establish a base. That's because Poland has already been backstabbed twice by w Europe- once when England refused to honors it's mutual.defense treaty in 1939 and again at Yalta and related summits which gave Poland up.to the Soviets will we overthrew them ourselves and made the first domino fall.

Thankfully the rest of Poland has so many intelligent people to defend their pro Trump feelings on this message

Poles in general like Trump. It's only the old people in the KOD camp that don't. The youth is more nationalistic and conservative than ever. The whole population is and you can see that from the rejection of merkels burdenous migrants to the rejection of gay marriage to the fact that pis, probably the closest Trump ally in Europe atm, consistently has 2 to 3x the support of 2md place (aka last place in politics) p.o.. Even kukiz is starting to get close to pos numbers lol
PolAmKrakow 1 | 15    
9 Jul 2018  #45
I could argue at length that the First Amendment does not afford anyone the right to judge another. Your opinion of the First Amendment is contrary to substantial precedential case law. Of course you may have your opinion of another person, but to express it in a way that is slanderous or libelous, or in a way that could lead others to a belief of an untrue thing, could easily result in a collectable judgement.

Thankfully though, my day of sitting on the couch has come to an end. This has been entertaining. I am now more grateful than ever that I have the ability to chose where I live, and those that make rules of law are not on this message board. They must be too busy building walls. Wait a minute.....didn't another country try that? Hmmmm I wonder how that worked out.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
9 Jul 2018  #46
Wait a minute.....didn't another country try that?

Libel has to be against an individual or a corporation. Under US laws, groups do not have rights. Even if the group consists of only two gays.

I can say that I hate Muslims all day long and the 1st covers it very well. In Europe, I would be serving time. This is what makes the US superior to every other country on Earth. If you show me the EU equivalent, I will reconsider.

Show me a precedent where "offending" a group resulted in criminal charges or a successful libel suit.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
9 Jul 2018  #47
In some European countries saying the wrong thing can easily land you in jail, if not thousands in fines. Several people found that out the hard way. It's quite sad how countries who consider themselves to be the apex of culture sophistication freedom and all that **** are literally punishing political opinions and social media posts. And like usual, the far left pushed for this crap but it doesn't matter it won't affect them. A guy can wave Islamic state flags or al Qaeda or whatever other jihadi flags and not be punished at all. But God forbid someone waves a Nazi flag - instant arrest for waving a piece of cloth.... Oh and forget about criticizing the migrant crisis or pointing out the FACT that the vast majority of rapes, child grooming, sexual assault, etc are from migrants.

Adrian
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
9 Jul 2018  #48
In some European countries saying the wrong thing can easily land you in jail, if not thousands in fines.

And some clowns here wonder why we, Americans, are arrogant and feel superior. Hell, why not?

So, I am going to double down on mine: there is no flag more beautiful than the flag of the United States of America. So, trolls, go for it.

Before I went to Poland in September last year, I bought a flag pin and had it on me until I gave it to a kid during one of my school speeches.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
9 Jul 2018  #49
They must be too busy building walls. Wait a minute.....didn't another country try that?

Please, don't hold back and tell me about that other country. And then tell me how is your wall-less house? How about your bank? Did you ever have your money in a bank without walls, security system and an armed guard? You know, they can always dig a hole so why bother, right?

So, what's the name of that country where the wall just didn't work as expected? Would that be Israel?
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
10 Jul 2018  #50
They must be too busy building walls.

Can't you see the wall that Poland has built to keep the migrants out, albeit a political wall that is defended in Brussels but still a wall.

Glad you chose Poland to live in safety, god bless the Polish government for building the wall and manning the ramparts.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
10 Jul 2018  #51
Can't you see the wall that Poland has built to keep the migrants out

It's a money wall. An 80-per-month welfare check is a perfect refugee repellent.




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