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Building regional alliance to stabilize Eastern Europe.


OP Ironside  51 | 13083
19 Mar 2025   #121
The

I like economic arguments based on data.
However, this thread is about regional alliance and the EU is not the subject that should be discussed to that extent.
Bobko  27 | 2215
19 Mar 2025   #122
The EU is the key to this whole question.

Right now - if NATO truly dies - the replacement will be built on the EU carcass.

This is the most likely scenario. Not your scenario of cobbling together some Frankenstein alliance from a series of bilateral agreements.

Macron, Von Der Leyen, Tusk, Meloni - they are driving the train in this direction.

If some country like Poland suddenly announces - "to hell with your Supra-European army, we will build an alliance with Turkey and Norway" - it will be viewed extremely negatively by Brussels and probably Germany and France.

The only happy people would be the British, who would arrive first and ask where they can sign to join this alliance. Britain is being left out in the cold, with neither America nor Europe paying it consideration. Today, Macron pushed through the requirement that the $150B defense fund can only be spent with European defense manufacturers - excluding Britain.

When you are doing something that only Britain is happy about, you should know you are doing something wrong.
OP Ironside  51 | 13083
19 Mar 2025   #123
The EU is the key to this whole question.

Not really. It is set aside from the EU. Has nothing to do with the EU.
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extremely negatively by Brussels and probably Germany and France.

Not probably, I'm counting on them being against it. Will show their true colors and BB will have to apologize to me.
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When you are doing something that only Britain is happy

We don't know yet if Britan would be happy about it. So far they are happy about some Wille Coalition they are cobbling together.
pawian  226 | 27817
19 Mar 2025   #124
It is set aside from the EU. Has nothing to do with the EU.

Exactly. You are trying to establish EU 2 with Turkey among others cos you don`t like the EU 1 with Germany in it. Don`t you realise how stupid it sounds and you seem??? :):):)

Look, child, we don`t need to set up new entities cos they won`t be better and life experience even suggests they are usually much worse. We need to improve the old ones. Nobody cares you and other rabid nationalists are biased against Germans. It is your own problem you have to deal with.
Przelotnyptak1  - | 714
19 Mar 2025   #125
Nobody cares you and other rabid nationalists are biased against Germans.

A little, wretched creature is risen in contempt of mighty intellect, I mean Iron.
jon357  72 | 23654
20 Mar 2025   #126
The population of the GDR was smaller than the population the largest West German state NRW

And smaller than half the countries in Europe.

Turkey

Interesting that the people who oppose it most are from your country which has the highest level of migration.

I don't apologise for being a Turkophile (I'm in Istanbul right now and when I'm in Berlin next week I'll enjoy a döner).

but still no name in the quote.

That's beyond strange. Even first time posters get it. A cynic would say that it's to do with your work however of course no government ever does PR, do they...

The Euro is essentially the Deutschmark in disguise.

Friends there used to call it the "Teuro". It's a drag to have your currency shackled to the economy of other countries.

It's also appallingly hypocritical of France to use it when they have two other currencies. Every single foreign exchange transaction from the African CFA Franc (both of them since there are two such currencies) makes money for the French cünt government. Basically they have the euro themselves yet at the same time they profit from the labour and meagre exports of some of the poorest people on the planet.
Torq  10 | 1236
20 Mar 2025   #127
at the same time they profit from the labour and meagre exports of some of the poorest people on the planet.

And some people think that colonization is a thing of the past.
jon357  72 | 23654
20 Mar 2025   #128
@Torq
Indeed. Though colonialism isn't wholly negative (despite the shoddy behaviour of the French and omg I've got some stories to tell about them) since without it we'd all be half nude, painting ourselves blue and worshiping tree gods.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11960
20 Mar 2025   #129
and worshiping tree gods.

So?

Whats wrong with tree gods....they rock!
jon357  72 | 23654
20 Mar 2025   #130
tree gods

And tree goddesses too, like Isis, to whom the acacia is sacred. I always say hello when I'm in Africa.
OP Ironside  51 | 13083
20 Mar 2025   #131
Whats wrong with tree gods...

Nothing they burn nicely in the fireplace.
Crow  155 | 9699
2 days ago   #132
How wars starts?

Let us remember that Croatia and Albania made the first opening move of the conflict with Serbia >

Escalation in the Balkans as War Lines Are Drawn

> youtube.com/watch?v=gHJ8RdiY2qw
OP Ironside  51 | 13083
2 days ago   #133
that Croatia and Albania made the first opening move of the conflict with Serbia >

Why the hell should we care about your Balkan BS? Unfortunately Croatia nor Serbia can stabilize the region. You are not able to prioritize and you're grasping everything at once. Making a mess in the process.
I guess it would be wise to divide those parts between Turkey and Hungary. It would bring some stability to the region.
Crow  155 | 9699
2 days ago   #134
nor Serbia can stabilize the region.

You heard Orban..

Exactly Serbia will stabilize the region. As your friend here, I can confirm to you that all goes in that direction.

And that is even logical. Ethnic Serbs are rightful owners. We will just correct what centuries of Roman and other foreign rule done in South-Eastern Europe.
OP Ironside  51 | 13083
2 days ago   #135
Exactly Serbia will stabilize the region.

They ( Serbs) do not seem to be capable enough.
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Ethnic Serbs are rightful owners

Who give an F? It has nothing to do with it. You can cheer your people with such BS.
Crow  155 | 9699
2 days ago   #136
I know what you mean.

But be patient. You know how it goes. Everything needs time. If Gavrilo didn`t kill the bastard, Poland would still be in the mud.

Now we focus on our own home.
OP Ironside  51 | 13083
2 days ago   #137
If Gavrilo didn`t kill the bastard,

Is that all you got? An unhinged lunatic and a terrorist with its mindless violence?
Crow  155 | 9699
2 days ago   #138
Is that all you got?

What you think?

An unhinged lunatic and a terrorist with its mindless violence?

Be thankful. If not for the Serbs and Gavrilo, Poland would still bath in the mud and think its a fragrant bath.

Brate.
OP Ironside  51 | 13083
2 days ago   #139
What you think?

I don't think you have much more. Otherwise, you would show your hand a long time ago.
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If not for the Serbs and Gavrilo,

I don't know about Gavrilo, he was a pretext at best. If not for him there would be something else. As for Serbs, it is not that you knew what you have been doing, you were just f about until you pissed off enough A-H. A fluke. Won't happen again. All you can gain with your F about is a bruise, another one.
You don't start a war with a country half your size, half your economy, and half your population and drag it on for years like incompetent tools.
In this way you won't build stability you are a source of destabilization in the region with your territorial and other claims. It is ridiculous.
You don't have anything else because your economy is rather weak and your soft power non-existent.
Przelotnyptak1  - | 714
2 days ago   #140
But be patient. You know how it goes. Everything needs time.

I need the answer. Was Alexander the Great a Slav? The reason I ask, at that time there were few if any, blond, blue eyes Greeks.
Crow  155 | 9699
2 days ago   #141
I need the answer. Was Alexander the Great a Slav?

What else he could be? If you accept fact that during Ice age what was Europe was Balkan (rest of Europe was tundra and covered in ice 2km tick, so land that can`t support civilization), and that Slavic languages represent oldest languages of Whites.

Language is proof that what is White originate all from Slavs. All.

Gavrilo, he was a pretext at best. If not for him there would be something else.

Are you sure? Or that is just coping mechanism of yours, to say so?

You think forces that held Poland in chains would want to let Poland go just like that? From Golden cage?

No. Poland was seen for assimilation. This how Poland even now behave when world change is exactly proof for that. Listen, Adam Mizkiewich said it all to Czartorisky. To count on Serbs and Serbian interaction with Russians regarding our own liberation. Then, in proper moment, to connect with Serbs and present Polish question. Exactly what Czartorisky did and even later events confirmed.

But, no monument to Gavrilo in Poland. Still.

See?
Miloslaw  22 | 5208
2 days ago   #142
if NATO truly dies

It won't,dream on you Russian fool!

Why the hell should we care about your Balkan BS?

No reason except that for Crow, the world rotates around Serbia......

Was Alexander the Great a Slav?

Of course not!!!

What else he could be?

Crow thinks everyone is of Serbian descent!!! LOL!!!!!
Novichok  4 | 8682
2 days ago   #143
It won't,dream on you Russian fool!

Hey, Milo, choose your targets better.

Bobko is the top poster here in terms of politeness, patience, contents, and balance.

Don't do it again.
Crow  155 | 9699
2 days ago   #144
No reason except that for Crow, the world rotates around Serbia......

No, but in truth many things first are desired by Serbs and then happen.
Alien  26 | 6527
2 days ago   #145
Bobko is the top poster

a revolutionary poster with a hammer and sickle. ⚒
Miloslaw  22 | 5208
2 days ago   #146
Hey, Milo, choose your targets better.

I have the idiots in my crosshairs and I can't miss!
jon357  72 | 23654
1 day ago   #147
Orban

His days are numbered.
amiga500  5 | 1539
1 day ago   #148
He's too useful to the Germans covertly pushing their pro Russian agenda.
Tacitus  2 | 1269
1 day ago   #149
Tac, after you mark the part of the text you want to copy look to the left/down corner...

Interesting. My mistake seems to have been that I clicked on that button before I marked the quotes. Well, you never stop learning I guess.

He's too useful to the Germans covertly pushing their pro Russian agenda.

Just a reminder that it was the Polish PiS government who prevented Hungary from losing its' voting rights in the EU. And now he has Fico who backs him up... .


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