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Why Poles have so pro-emigration attitude?


pawian 168 | 11,130
30 Apr 2011 #31
Watch out, cool down, breathe in deeply, then breath out, let the steam off. You might be suspended if you don`t control yourself.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Apr 2011 #32
What steam, pawian? He is accusing the regime here of being oppressive when it is anything but when compared to some others around the world. Do you live under oppression, pawian? Do you want to leave Poland because of what you face here? I've been suspended twice before but, as you know, I can spend lengthy times away from the forum.

He is sidetracking the thread with his nonsense.
southern 75 | 7,096
30 Apr 2011 #33
I know what you mean, but with loads of cheese-grinning people posing under the Arbeit macht Frei sign, I'm afraid it has to be considered as one.

Poles should pay Germany royalties for exploiting Auschwitz.Just kidding.
grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Apr 2011 #34
You have no idea what true oppression is, do you son?

ZUS,akcyza,23% VAT,PIT,CIT,all kinds of fees.I am anarcho libertarian and that's opressive enough for me.Do you know how much does it cost to notarize a document in the US?I don't think you do so let me hit you with some knowlage boy,it costs from 0 to $10.How much it is in Poland?
pawian 168 | 11,130
30 Apr 2011 #35
What steam, pawian?

You sounded unusually agitated. It seemed you lost your Scottish composure. :):):)

He is accusing the regime here of being oppressive when it is anything but when compared to some others around the world.

Yes.

Do you live under oppression, pawian?

Nope, I am as free as a bird. I say things in forums and post pictures and they haven`t come for me yet. :):):)

Do you want to leave Poland because of what you face here?

No, in no other country could I say things and post pictures on forums and get away with that so easily. :):):)

I've been suspended twice before

I knew about one time.

s you know, I can spend lengthy times away from the forum.

Hmm, are you sure? I thought you are (or were as it might be a false presumption) addicted.

He is sidetracking the thread with his nonsense.

Nonsense - yes. Sidetracking- rather not. :):):)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Apr 2011 #36
Yeah, the fees are a darned nuisance but oppressive? Oh, the notaries like to line their pockets here. I found their charges steep, yes. I can see why you might think that things are bordering on the oppressive in the sense of financial squeezing. Firms are not paying out more to compensate those for their ever-increasing outlay.

Addicted, no. Composed? Yes. Grubas just likes a scrap. It will not be too ferocious ;) ;)
pawian 168 | 11,130
30 Apr 2011 #37
ZUS,akcyza,23% VAT,PIT,CIT,all kinds of fees.

Better say where else should the government take their money from?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Apr 2011 #38
Oh, I can sense myself siding with grubas now. Pawian, taking 890PLN ZUS a month is a nonsense. They automatically assume, as I have my own firm, that I make stackloads but I don't. I really have to reel in the private students to stay well afloat. PiS lowered the akcyza so why can't PO, esp now? VAT will likely hit 25% before too long and this is just a farce when consumerism has been created.
grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Apr 2011 #39
Do you want to leave Poland because of what you face here?

This is exactly why I have left.

He is sidetracking the thread with his nonsense.

Nonsense?For someone with a slave mentality like you it may be a nonsens.And I am not saying the US government is not opressive but the level of oppression is nowhere near the one you "enjoy" in Poland.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Apr 2011 #40
I misinterpreted your intention with regards to oppression, grubas. I apologise! Now I see where you are coming from :)

There are way too many charges for sweet FA. The cost of cars is a feckin disgrace too. My wife has a small car and it's around 220PLN to fill the tank.

For the world of me, I can't imagine how many Poles pay for the renovation of their property. I managed to keep the costs relatively low as my father-in-law did all of the work. Had he not done that, I'd be in deep water.

PO are fleecing people!
grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Apr 2011 #41
I found their charges steep, yes. I can see why you might think that things are bordering on the oppressive in the sense of financial squeezing.

Why are the fees steep?Yes I am talking about fiscal oppression.23% sales tax?GTFO out of here.I pay 0% sale tax.I am actually thinking about moving to New Hampshire,they don't even have a state income tax."Live free or die" is their motto.
OP el Croata 1 | 34
30 Apr 2011 #42
Because when there is no work you can't buy anything. many of my wife's friends are university educated and, until recently, weren't able to find decent paying work.

Nowhere in the world university education is not guaranty for the job anymore.

You Poles are similar to us, Croatians: You want house and god car in term of 5 years.

50% Germans and Austrians don't have they own property.
This is one reason why they could have shine cars, gadgets, so much travel on the world.

Poles (as Croatian to) want and big house, and shine car, and gadgets, an the so much travel on the world
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Apr 2011 #43
Don't they have sth like that in Delaware too? I remember reading sth like that in a business journal. I can't give you an exact figure, grubas, but I can remember thinking that 'WOW', this guy is taking one hell of a cut for merely validating documents in his notarial capacity. Somewhere around 1000PLN, I think. I like to see things when I shell out cash. I got peeved when I didn't get a pay rise. It really lowers your motivation to work amongst con-merchants who swipe left, right and centre from you.
grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Apr 2011 #44
See the thing is that people in Poland don't know any better and they think it has to be like that.I know it doesn't.VAT on food?Crimminals.Even in the states with sale tax there is no sale tax on food.American gov is not trying to starve American people.How long does it take to get a driver licence in PL?In the US it takes app 2 hours and it includes writing a test and a driving exam,they do eyes examination, take a picture of you and 15 minutes later you are ready to go with a spanking new DL in your pocket.All that for $50.Why can't it be like that in Poland?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Apr 2011 #45
On the first point, I often get that impression too. Those types are very similar in mentality to Russians - blind following of 'the way'. Oh, PO are trying to get money in any way that they can, make no doubt about it. Poland is a country where rigorous procedures are in place for the masses but where shortcuts are given to those that know how. It takes quite a while to get a DL here, grubas. Many consider that a minimum number of hrs is necessary before they take their test.

Poland believes in complications. I've noticed that they change sth in paperwork just so they can give themselves future work. The number of needless paper chasing I've done has been utterly horrendous. I had to laugh yesterday when my wife was summoned to pay 1PLN to the City Hall.

The frank truth is that many here make it up as they go along and love complicating things for others. Old commie mentality, 'if there ain't a problem, create one' :( :(
grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Apr 2011 #46
I can remember thinking that 'WOW', this guy is taking one hell of a cut for merely validating documents in his notarial capacity. Somewhere around 1000PLN,

In the US they have notaries in the banks and if you have a bank account in this particular bank you pay nothing,the most I ever paid for getting stuff notarized was $5.Why can't it be like that in PL?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Apr 2011 #47
It's the old 'he's an authority figure' approach. There are morons here that would gladly strip you down to bare zero. I was aghast at having to fork out that much. They can really pull the wool over your eyes. I guess it's partly because I'm Scottish but I don't just pay for things without questioning what I'm getting for my money and I damn well questioned the logic of giving him so much. Geez, I could have certified things myself.

Poland will likely take out a tax on breathing due to CO2 circulation ;) ;)
Trevek 26 | 1,702
30 Apr 2011 #48
Nowhere in the world university education is not guaranty for the job anymore.

Granted, but doing 5-7 years and then not having any job is a good motivator for going abroad. Put it like this, I was once offered work on a 'new' teacher's wage in Poland. It was less than half the hourly rate of a McD's worker in UK.

Also, on the subject of property, how easy is it to get a good flat in Croatia?

Some of my Polish friends went to Ireland for 4 years, came back and bought their flats. With prices rising and inflation, there's no way they could have done that working in Poland.

I think that shows something else... they may go away but their thoughts are often on returning.
OP el Croata 1 | 34
1 May 2011 #49
The region Slavonia about 1000 euro/m2.

Zagreb and surround about 1500 euro/m2

And very expensive Dalmatia region 2000 euro/m2.

We in Croatia had problem with banks (mostly owned by Italians, German and Austrian 'mother' banks)because their interest rate for housing loan were ekstremly high: 7% or 8%.

And consequence was that many flats were build but unsold.

Our goverment was intervened and forced banks to lowed interest rate to 4%-5%.

Teacher wage in Croatia is about 700 euros.

So, let say teachers a husband and a wife have decision to take the loan for the flat of 100 000 euros (price 1500 euro/m2 is flat about 67 m2).

Monthly rate on 30-years loan would be 500 euros.

Monthly wage of husband and wife 1500 euros.

Monthly rate is 33% of monthly wage.

How about in Poland salaries of teachers and prices of flats?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #50
It depends, really. The rate itself for my flat is 1/6 of what I earn from my school but private students lower that figure. My salary is around 3500PLN but privates bump that up quite a lot.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
1 May 2011 #51
Seanus wrote:

Don't they have sth like that in Delaware too?

Yes, but you're still responsible for federal taxes which takes the biggest chunk. It's also worth mentioning that Delaware is not a very desirable place to live, not much in the way of jobs, New Hampshire is similar in that sense and it's very cold.

grubas wrote:

How long does it take to get a driver licence in PL?In the US it takes app 2 hours and it includes writing a test and a driving exam,they do eyes examination, take a picture of you and 15 minutes later you are ready to go with a spanking new DL in your pocket.All that for $50.

Mine cost $35 and it's good for 8 years.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #52
Many were denied free movement opportunities for so long and now it has changed. It makes sense to see the world and test yourself in different ways.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
1 May 2011 #53
How about in Poland salaries of teachers and prices of flats?

No idea about the cost of flats but I was offered less than 15 zlots an hour as a 'starter' teacher in a state Liceum. about a year ago. Average maybe 20 hours a week.
David_18 68 | 982
1 May 2011 #54
Imagine yourself being stuck in a cage for 70 years? and suddenly it opens? wouldnt you go F**** crazy and just explore the whole F***** world?
Maaarysia
1 May 2011 #55
Life with friends, family, own cultural habit is much more worth than 1000 euros bigger month salary.

What about seeing the world? Meet people of other nations? It's also not materialistic and important value.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #56
Why? They are off to join their relatives ;)
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
1 May 2011 #57
Maaarysia wrote:

Life with friends, family, own cultural habit is much more worth than 1000 euros bigger month salary.

Some people value a far better quality of life along with better opportunities for their children a bit more than the ability to stare at each other back home while living in poverty. Family for many is the #1 priority but does that mean not being able to better yourself and your family?

Sister number 1 says, "boy oh boy, what an improvement in my life since I moved! I earn more, I can afford what I want, my children have everything they could ask for, we have a nice sized apartment/house, the weather is far better.....it's great!"

Sister number 2 says, "yeah yeah yeah......whoopty doo......I get to eat mom's pierogi once a month though.......now do you see why you made such a bad decision?"

Some people have plenty in Poland but many people do not, hence, why so many jump ship to where they can find "plenty".
Hubert - | 9
10 May 2011 #58
Hi I'm Hubert
I'm from Poland - Szczecin

Poles should pay Germany royalties for exploiting Auschwitz.Just kidding.

Oh man :D hahahaha

ZUS,akcyza,23% VAT,PIT,CIT,all kinds of fees.I am anarcho libertarian and that's opressive enough for me.Do you know how much does it cost to notarize a document in the US?I don't think you do so let me hit you with some knowlage boy,it costs from 0 to $10.How much it is in Poland?

Notarize a document 10$?? Buahahah in poland there is no single person who would believe it :P I'm serios! If I make a xsero copy of a single paper and ask to notarize this copy as beeing identical to orginal document. I would pay 50-100PLN! and extra 5pln for every next page :D. It is nothing though! The real notary costs begins when it comes to estate because it is a percent of the net worth of estate!

3 000 zł - 100 zł
above 3 000 zł to 10 000 zł - 100 zł + 3 % of amount above 3 000 zł
above 10 000 zł to 30 000 zł - 310 zł + 2 % of amount above 10 000 zł
above 30 000 zł to 60 000 zł - 710 zł + 1 % of amount above 30 000 zł
above 60 000 zł to 1 000 000 zł - 1 010 zł + 0,4 % of amount above 60 000 zł
above 1 000 000 zł to 2 000 000 zł - 4 770 zł + 0,2 % of amount above 1 000 000 zł
above 2 000 000 zł - 6 770 zł + 0,25 % of amount above 2 000 000 zł, not more than 10 000 zł
Sweet right?

If you bought a car from a diler you have to pay tax. Well in Poland they go further, because You must pay tax even If your uncle sold you a car which was build in 1980 and had 19 owners in you neighbourhood.

You are not allowed to cut a tree on your own property! You can not become a farmer even if you have milion square feet farm, oh unless your father was a farmer or you had graduate farming on university! Can You fuc*in believe it? Because I can't! And I live in here... there are tons of examples like this... really...

How long does it take to get a driver licence in PL?In the US it takes app 2 hours and it includes writing a test and a driving exam,they do eyes examination, take a picture of you and 15 minutes later you are ready to go with a spanking new DL in your pocket.All that for $50.Why can't it be like that in Poland?

In Poland You have to finish driving skills course! There is no possible way you can avoid it! Course is about 2 weeks - 1100zł up to 1500zł Egzam is 150zł than you have to wait a month for a document and pay 50zł for this pleasure!

If you now take into consideration that normal polish guys income is around 1500 - 2000zł you would propably find the answer for this question: "Why Poles have so pro-emigration attitude?"
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
10 May 2011 #59
You can not become a farmer even if you have milion square feet farm, oh unless your father was a farmer or you had graduate farming on university! Can You fuc*in believe it?

no, what about all those pseudo farmers on Krus?
PolskiMoc 4 | 324
10 May 2011 #60
I just think alot of Poles dreamed of coming to the West during Communist era & Were not allowed too. So alot now are exploring what they imagined.

Alot of Poles seem to be unhappy in England I hear.


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