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Is Poland a poor country?


Crow 157 | 10,877
14 Dec 2013 #482
Is Poland a poor country?

Poland is rich spiritually. But, needs more money.
milky 13 | 1,657
14 Dec 2013 #483
Of course not, Poland is not a poor country, by world standards.

Agreed just like Romania and Bulgaria were more than 50% below the average.
But on EU scale they are poor.
Polson 5 | 1,770
15 Dec 2013 #484
just like Romania and Bulgaria

Romania and Bulgaria are poorer. Their HDI is not very high (just 'high'), and a Pole, on average, earns twice as much as a Romanian/Bulgarian.

But on EU scale they are poor.

What is poor? Ever been to Poland, Milky? When you drive a BMW in the alleyway of your own house, you're not really poor, are you?

Yes, on average (because it's all about stats), Poles make less money, but life is not as expensive as in some other EU countries, so on the whole, the gap is not that huge.
szczecinianin 4 | 345
15 Dec 2013 #485
Romania and Bulgaria are poorer. Their HDI is not very high (just 'high'), and a Pole, on average, earns twice as much as a Romanian/Bulgarian.

Are Poland and Romania countries Poland wishes to compare itself with?
Polson 5 | 1,770
15 Dec 2013 #486
I'm not the one making the comparison.
milky 13 | 1,657
15 Dec 2013 #487
What is poor?

lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society.

hen you drive a BMW in the alleyway of your own house, you're not really poor, are you?

Depends on how old the car is and where the house is.

the gap is not that huge.

no , not huge but big.

I'm not the one making the comparison.

yea, eurostat are
epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/2-19062013-BP/EN/2-19062013-BP-EN.PDF
50%Polish
16 Dec 2013 #488
One of the keys to a strong economy is learn how to create fake wealth, as long as the rest of the world buys in.

Wall street is the best example I can think.

You create wealth out of nothing but bids, buys and sells.

But there is no economy, it is just fake manipulated numbers, its like magic money shell game. Gambling.
Polson 5 | 1,770
16 Dec 2013 #489
lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society.

Then many people in Poland are not poor.

Depends on how old the car is and where the house is.

The same BMWs and same houses (more or less) as in Ireland I guess.

yea, eurostat are

Thanks for proving my point.
szczecinianin 4 | 345
16 Dec 2013 #490
lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society.

In that case, North Koreans aren't poor if they have a bicycle and get a daily bowl of rice.
polpat
16 Dec 2013 #491
i don't think that majority of people in Poland do not live at a standard considered comfortable and normal.

most of families have at least 1 car, tv, computer, plasma tv, they eat breakfast, dinner and supper every day, they don't have to beg for food or money. the difference between Poland and western Europe is that people in the west can afford a better car, change their mobile phone more often, go to pub every day, and they have to work shorter to afford to go abroad for a holioday. but this doesn't make Poland poor. you don't know what poverty is. Poland is richer than most of countries in the world. The EU is just a little bit of the world.

by the way, if you look only at the statistics , countries like: Germany, Sweden, France, United Kingdom, Ireland are poor compared to Luxembourg, Macau or Quatar
szczecinianin 4 | 345
16 Dec 2013 #492
The difference between Poland and western Europe is that people in the west can afford a better car, change their mobile phone more often, go to pub every day, and they have to work shorter to afford to go abroad for a holioday.

If the difference were not significant there would not be millions of Poles living abroad.
polpat
16 Dec 2013 #493
They go abroad because they want to be richer. or they were really poor in Poland.Just like Britons moving to Australia. still there are much much more Poles living in Poland than abroad.many people who go to the UK want to save money for example to build or buy a house in Poland - it's much cheaper in Poland. I wouldn't say that it's so much easier and cheaper for British people to buy a house in the UK.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
16 Dec 2013 #494
i don't think that

It is rather unstained view. What you need to look at is a ratio between pay and cost of living.
TheOther 6 | 3,692
16 Dec 2013 #495
Just like Britons moving to Australia.

Those were convicts... :)

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita

I would use the GNP instead.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_product
Tamarisk
16 Dec 2013 #496
But there is no economy, it is just fake manipulated numbers, its like magic money shell game. Gambling.

The whole American economy is currently propped up by QE2. Has anyone asked where the $85 Billion a month is coming from ? And now they can't figure out how to stop the tapering because the "experts" know that when it does stop, the whole house of cards will come crashing down.

Oops, meant to say now they can't figure out how to start the tapering.
Nojas 4 | 110
16 Dec 2013 #497
Poland will most likely never come up to the standards of for example todays Sweden. Thing is, judging by how things are looking, neither will Sweden. So Poland will come closer and catch up, by a growing economy a bit and by others economy falling more.

Last time Sweden created a new job (netto) in the private sector was in the 1960's, and the Swedish people is the most indebted in the world (the greeks can really suck it). The whole economy is artificially fueled via consumtion, which is possible due to credits and the fact that interest rates are tax deductible to absurd levels. House loans are also mortage free, average time to pay off an apartment in Stockholm right now is 145 years. Our PISA results are in absolute freefall, the crucial export is decreasing and where new innovations are supposed to come from with such a crappy school is really troublesome and worrying. There's a reason why young Swedes move to Norway to peel bananas. Welcome to the green side of the grass...

Or I'm wrong and everything is just peachy.
Polson 5 | 1,770
16 Dec 2013 #498
There's a reason why young Swedes move to Norway to peel bananas.

Oh, then that's why there are almost as many Swedes as there are Poles in Norway...
szczecinianin 4 | 345
16 Dec 2013 #499
Just like Britons moving to Australia.

Not really. I don't think anyone moves to the UK for the weather.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
16 Dec 2013 #500
weirdly I have met quite a few guys who move over here specifically for summer in the UK.....
can you guess where they are from? :)
50%Polish
17 Dec 2013 #501
The whole American economy is currently propped up by QE2. Has anyone asked where the $85 Billion a month is coming from ? And now they can't figure out how to stop the tapering because the "experts" know that when it does stop, the whole house of cards will come crashing down.

You mean QE 3. I believe this is 3. They haven't said out loud, but out of our bank accounts of savers. Our money is dead money.
polpat
17 Dec 2013 #502
I know a few British guys who moved to Australia for work and for better MONEY. not for the weather... why 'd they move so far away for the weather only? there are places in Europe with better weather than in the UK.
milky 13 | 1,657
17 Dec 2013 #503
why 'd they move so far away for the weather only?

100 % of the Irish people I know who moved there over the last 20 years moved for that reason. I've never met a Pole in Ireland who was there for the weather or to experience another culture. wages 4-6 time higher is the reason I always heard.
milky 13 | 1,657
17 Dec 2013 #505
Yes, that's true.
bmxrider2000
26 Oct 2014 #506
What are you all talking about Poland is in the top 10 richest countries in Europe.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
27 Oct 2014 #508
What are you all talking about Poland is in the top 10 richest countries in Europe.

Not even Germany is :) Europe has many tiny states.
jon357 71 | 20,403
27 Oct 2014 #509
Pretty well what I was about to say. If you factor out Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, the Channel Islands/IoM etc and possibly Luxembourg; Poland probably is in the top ten.
goofy_the_dog
28 Oct 2014 #510
2.5 million fled the country since 2004.. yeah sure it is a very rich country all of its immigrating citizens just go to other countries to admire the weather.. 7 years in the UK 2 days of a sunny weather that the locals call Armageddon and hide in their bungalows for ;)


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