Is it normal for men to abandon their children in Poland?

My son's father abandoned him when he was 2 years old, he is now turning 11. His father swore he loved him and would never leave him, however, he cut off all communication and left our son to be with another woman. He publicly claims his (now adult) stepchildren as his biological kids and posts about them often, especially his stepdaughter (which I find strange). He also does not provide ANY support for our son, including financial support. I am trying to research social norms of family life in Poland to gain clarity. Is it normal for men to abandon their children and completely dismiss their life like he has done?

No that is not normal in Poland at all - Poles would consider that very bad behavior

Well one of Polands most famous and celebrated musicians abandoned the son we have together. The pain he has caused his own biological child is unfathomable. I won't even mention the emotional abuse and pure evil things he has inflicted on me to try and scare me away from exposing what a monster he is, and so I won't pursue child support. I'm relieved this behavior is not the norm or acceptable in Poland!

This thread is useless without names and photos. Please provide more detail.

She is a troll, can't you see that?

Of course I can.

Where did you mistaken? Repent.


Vagina is a wonder.

Deal with your problems in the courts not here.

We all have things in our lives without needing to hear other people's.

Wow. Thanks for giving me incite into the social norms of Poles! This will help support my case!
His name is Pawel, and I DO have a court case against him!

Do you see a reason not to mention someone's name on the internet?

Even though nobody has heard of him or is interested.

I see that people are quick to attack, rather than to support or help. And that's a sad world we live in.
I have nothing but well wishes and prayers for the people of Poland. Especially right now!

Poland is now strongly in a grip of EU and things certainly develop in direction of even stronger grip. You can be even wrong about him but if you are Zulu or from Senegal, court will love you.

But if you are Russian. Well, its your problem.

Thanks, Crow, for such a wonderful analysis of her case.

I'd say it isn't "normal" as in it isn't socially accepted (although it is considered to be more "normal" than a mother abandoning a child), but it isn't uncommon. My uncle is like that, for example. We found out that he was married before he married my aunt and that he has kids from that previous marriage only after he went to prison for not paying alimonies O_O Even after he left prison he never mentioned his kids with even one word and it doesn't seem like he ever visits them (he has two kids now with my aunt). I don't know how one can completely discard their own children like that, as if they never existed...

But it does happen and I've heard quite a few stories about men abandoning their kids (not only their wife). Single mothers constitute 19.4% of Polish families - it's one of the highest numbers in Europe (higher number is only in Latvia - 29.1%, Lithuania, Estonia and Slovakia).


I've never heard of him, tbh.

@Paulina
Thank you for your sincere and experience-based perspective. This is the kind of information I was searching for. And, I agree with you, how anyone can live out their life knowing they have a child out there navigating through being abandoned, and ultimately being unloved by their own father, is incomprehensible to me!

Brother of a friend has done that twice.... he paid/pays child support but seemed to lose all interest in the kids after the divorce and made/makes no effort to visit (even though they live in the same city).

Before the divorce was very involved but after... ghost.


Me either, not really well known in Poland (though he's played with a couple of groups I'd heard of).

Look at Scorpions.

No a Polish group, not a musician I'd ever heard of (though I have heard of some groups/performers he'd played with such as Oddział Zamknięty. Pudelsi or Urszula...

They are a very successful German band.

I suspect he has earnt pretty good money as he has been with them for quite a long time.

I'm not surprised at all given that you are naming your ex on-line and trying to get sympathy from strangers who have only heard (without asking to hear it) your side of the story in a custody case.

The fact that he's an obscure musician is neither here nor there, apart from the fact that you are trying to blacken his reputation online.

Who to trust when someone is trying to involve others in their domestic problems? Someone who smears stuff about their ex online or someone who doesn't?

Especially one whose username identifies the name of the child in the centre of his parents' dispute. 10 seconds on google and I tracked him (and his social media profiles) down, as could anyone else reading this.

@Romans Mom, what country is your court case in? Anyway, I'd say it's more to do with him being a musician and his lifestyle rather than him being Polish.

I'd say it's more to do with her mental state since she's named her ex and her child (very handy for any online creeps reading this who want to contact him for a little nighttime chat, maybe exchange a few photos) online for all to read.

She's either a nasty and vindictive character or just plain deranged.

Or both.

I think you may be right.
A few simple Google searches even come up with who she professes to be.

But he or she may just be an unconnected Polish hating troll.

It's very possible.

Either way there's something extremely off about naming the child at the centre of a custody dispute on an internet forum, even if it's by "jigsaw identification". Possibly illegal in the UK too.

In a great deal of Europe during the period following the Black Death, it was not uncommon for certain families with step children especially, to abandon them in the woods, presuming they would die of thirst and starvation!

While it sounds unspeakably cruel, ghastly, indeed inhuman, poor farm families often had difficulty feeding their own, not to mention surplus children.

The latter was the basis for Haensel & Gretel along with numerous other such fairy tales.

Sure, and if they found out she is former male, her chances will increase even more.