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johnny reb 48 | 7,133
29 May 2018 #61
Well it is my understanding that he was also on probation with a stipulation in that probation to not cover that court case.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
29 May 2018 #62
he was not to "cover" any court case, having pulled the same stunt at Canterbury previously...
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #63
I watched the video he said nothing that wasn't public record and never said they were guilty.

He was live streaming people entering court, that's not allowed.

The media have been reporting cases of muslim rapists for years. There is no media blackout that needs 'exposing'. But the BBC or ITV do not live stream defendants and witnesses entering a court, and identify them. That's because there are signs all over court buildings telling you that recording or photography are illegal. The UK courts hold the independence of courts/trials in VERY high regard, and don't accept any messing about by the public that might influence the trial or witnesses (such as live-streaming them onto Facebook).

That's nothing to do with the case per se - it could have been a burglary case, or anything else. What he was jailed for was breaching court rules.

Being an American who thinks he's Polish, I'm guessing you don't know much about the British court system. But having served on a jury in a UK court, I can tell you that if I had stood outside the court and filmed the wintess enetering or leaving, I would have also been jailed.

He was lucky not to have bene jailed the first time - the reason for leniency was probably so as not to make a martyr of him. Usually, you can expect at least a month for taking a picture. He got 13 months because of 1. the Contempt/crime, 2. because he wa sunder a suspended sentence already, and 3. because of the length of streaming direct onto Facebook.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
29 May 2018 #64
He was not on court property. See thats the difference between us and uk. A person can stand in front of a court, police station,.jail whatever on the sidewalk as it's public property (just as Tommy did - he was technically not on court property) and report on a case using publicly available information. Not once did he say the accused rapists were guilty or innocent. And even then in the US or poland he could've - during high profile trials theres tons of people outside the courts with signs that say michael Jackson is innocent, or Weinstein is a rapist, or whatever they want. I'm sorry the United kaliphate doesnt give you those same freedoms.

And he was arrested, prosecuted and convicted all within 6 hours. The court wouldnt even let him.use his lawyer and instead forced a court appointed lawyer with whom he has no relationship with. That never happens in a democracy. He didn't even get a chance to decide how to plead, have his lawyer assess the evidence, arrange a plea bargain if That's what his lawyer recommends, etc. Minor cases like misdemeanors can be dragged out for over a year as both sides prepare for trial/plea while serious cases like murders can take years. Tommy was denied that.

Being an American who thinks he's Polish, I'm

Oh harry, unlike you I am polish... by birth, blood, citizenship language and all.. polish american to be specific but always polish first... sad how you always resort to personal.attacks. It screams of desperation
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #65
You do see why that would be a threat to our justice system don't you?

Oddly, Dirk seems to be whining because he thinks the state has influenced the judiciary into ruling the way it wants, which must mean that government having power over judges and courts must be wrong. Oh, the irony...
johnny reb 48 | 7,133
29 May 2018 #66
Then he broke his probation which is legitimate reason to be thrown in the slammer.
What I heard there was a complete media blackout covering this court case.
I thought Communism had ended.
Seems all the conservatives in the U.K. get labeled nut cases and a threat to the government so they lock them up.
How convenient to get rid of your adversaries.
What's next, executions.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
29 May 2018 #67
See thats the difference between us and uk

right well done, we have now established that they are different countries, We might speak the same language but that doesn't mean that other things will be the same too does it?

Honestly Dirk you might want to have a think about why you are going on like this about the UK. from what you say, you are a Polish American, therefore I suggest you concern yourself with your own countries.

ah well at least you are not calling it ' England' in this thread,
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
29 May 2018 #68
Yes because it is the social marxists and muslim apologists who have taken over the courts and police. I wouldn't care if pis and kukiz became the only two parties in poland and hung all the former commie po traitors - with those who voted to sanction their own country first in line.

England is done for anyway. Theyll likely have a 2nd brexit referendum and we already know what the results will be..they let their country turn into a multikulti hellhole now they will reap what they've sown... they already are as evident with all the paki rape gangs, London having months where murders exceed nyc even though legal ownership is basically banned, cultural enrichment trucks, etc.

you are a Polish American, therefore I suggest you concern yourself with your own countries.

Again, like I said earlier I have family in England. So I worry about them as I dont want my own kin to be culturally enriched by a truck, knife, or Pakistani man's pecker. Whats even scarier is hundreds of isis fighters are returning and only a few dozen have been prosecuted. Especially as I dont see them getting justice.. If anything theyd be more likely to go to jail defending themselves against an attacker or rapist or thief than the perpetrator.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
29 May 2018 #69
Whatever dirk, you are still 6 times more likely to be shot or stabbed in Washington DC than anywhere in the UK.
as I said, put your own house in order first.
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #70
See thats the difference between us and uk.

Well, that's the law of the land. I trust you're happy with UK gun law not being projected into USA, or UK abortion law not projected into Poland? Yes? Ok, then shut up pontificating as if you know ANYTHING about the legal system in the UK. You do not. You're an American who has never engaged with, studied or experienced the UK legal system. Breitbart and Poland Daily is no substitute for reality.

He didn't even get a chance to decide how to plead,

Yes he did. He pleaded guilty. His choice, under advice from his Solicitor (which he didn't have to accept). It all happened quickly because his breached court proceedings, and in such cases the judge can haul you up immediately and jail you, to stop you doing it any more and prejudicing the ongoing trial.

Again, those are the laws of the land he lives in - the ancient law of the 'England' his group claims to defend ('English Defence League'). So presumably he's happy that his nation has exerted its power. Now, I'll say again - there is no point you complaining from several thousand miles away, because it sounds rather like it would to you when a Limey who lives in Limeyland complains about gun laws in the USA or abortion in Poland.

So pipe down.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
29 May 2018 #71
Whatever dirk, you are still 6 times more likely to be shot or stabbed in Washington DC than anywhere in the UK.

Perhaps, but I don't live in d.c., and I take measures so my gf and i dont become a statistic. The chance of them being murdered in London is just as high as it is in NYC, even though guns are banned which is supposed to drive down the murder rate....

Well, that's the law of the land. I

I know and thats one of the many things that suck about England. I worry about my family there nonetheless...

I trust you're happy with UK gun law not being projected into USA

Very much so. We atleast have freedoms - inckuding speech, defending ourselves, assembly, etc. The right to bear arms protects all other freedoms.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
29 May 2018 #72
yes its like me spouting ill informed nonsense about the states out of a faux concern for my Texan cousins.
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #73
What I heard there was a complete media blackout covering this court case.

There was. That's because elements of the trial, if reported, could prejudice the outcome.

There was also a court-imposed media blackout when Elton John went to court to stop a newspaper reporting that he filled a paddling pool with baby oil and rolled around in it with two men, having sex. Does that sound Communist to you too? 1970s Poland must have been more fun than we were led to believe...
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
29 May 2018 #74
filled a paddling pool with baby oil and rolled around in it

lol was that the 'super injunction'? you learn something new every day,,,
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #75
Again, like I said earlier I have family in England. So I worry about them as I dont want my own kin to be

Great! It's open season then! I have close family in the USA and Poland! So, ban the guns, depose Trump and jail him for being a satsuma-faced zit on the arse of humanity, then all of you please lose about 75 lbs in weight. Then Poland can stop stacking the courts with PiS cronies, stop the prisests touching the choirboys' bottoms by letting them marry women (like Anglicans), put Jarek Kaczynski in a retirement-home with his cat, and sell the morning-after pill over the counter in every high-street Apteka.

I demand it! I have close family there, so it's my business too! I claim a tenuous stake in these events!!

(see how it sounds, Dirk?)
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
29 May 2018 #76
That's because

There is no freedom of speech in the united kaliphate...
It even has a thought crime division funded with millions of dollars to seek out posts on social media that is against the social marxist line (links posted above)

Does that sound Communist to you too?

Yes if they had pictures they should've been able to publish them. Since he was outdoors and not in his bathroom or bedroom its fair game. In the us a photograph is the property of the photographer.
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #77
He wasn't in the US. Aren't you getting this yet? US law does not extend around the world. That's why someone in the UK is less likely to be killed by a terrorist, a cop, or a court-imposed lethal injection or electric chair. USA courts actually KILL people!
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
29 May 2018 #78
In the us a photograph is the property of the photographer.

well it wasn't in the flucking US was it?

obviously filming proceedings right outside a court is going to lead to contempt of court.

Witnesses, lawyers, defendents, all being filmed and live streamed?.

Get a frucking grip
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
29 May 2018 #79
I demand it! I have close family there, so it's my business too! I claim a tenuous stake in these events!!

That's for the voters to decide. Much like voters decided brexit. And the uk citizens are now demanding the state stop importing more people - which is one of the main purposes of brexit. Hundreds also demanded Tommy be released right as the news broke with many more signing petitions

And protecting yourself against cultural enrichment is ultimately up.to individuals, but of course they can vote and demand certain policies. Not that the government will listen as it's gone so far down the marxist rabbit hole. Even the Tories are a joke

obviously filming proceedings right outside a court is going to lead to contempt of court.

Maybe in your big brother united kaliphate society, but not in freer societies like the us and poland
johnny reb 48 | 7,133
29 May 2018 #80
Does that sound Communist to you too?

ABSOLUTELY it does !
Here in America they would have shown the slick oil party live from a news media helicopter from above before the trial.
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #81
Hundreds also demanded Tommy be released right as the news broke with many more signing petitions

Hundreds?! WOW!

A petition signed by Brits demanding that the govt stops shooting badgers got 304,000 signatures. Come back when Tommy Robinson breaks 5,000. He'll be out of jail by then... People care more about badgers than far-right dupers*, you see.

Did you know that Tommy Robinson was a dupe? It's not hsi real name. He hides his real name (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) as it doesn't sound working class enough to appeal to his target base. 'Tommy' sounds more 'street' than Yaxley-Lennon, which sounds like a minor attendee at the Harry-Meghan wedding.

So the man you're championing is actually a faker.

Here in America they would have shown the slick oil party live from a news media helicopter from above before the trial.

Classy. I suppose that's the difference between the Windsor Castle and Disneyworld style of civic life!
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
29 May 2018 #82
Maybe in your big brother united kaliphate society, but not in freer societies like the us and poland

y0u are actually starting to sound unhinged did you know that?
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #83
Maybe in your big brother united kaliphate society, but not in freer societies like the us and poland

Yeah, Poland's so free that the state is currently prosecuting a journalist for 'insulting the nation', which I thought was a crime that only existed in places like Turkey. ipi.media/satire-journalist-faces-jail-for-insulting-polish-nation/

Poland's so free that you can be arrested or fined for crossing the street wherever you like! It's so free that on almost every visit to eastern Poland I'm stopped on the street by a border guard (several miles from the border) and told to show my documents and identify myself.

In the UK, meanwhile, you can cross the street wherever you like (no jaywalking laws) and if an official or cop stops you and asks to see your documents or ID card, you can tell them to go and whistle - you ar enot obliged to identify yourself and there is no ID card. You have the right to be freely anonymous and go about your peaceful business.

Not that I'm saying it's better or worse, I'm just saying because you brought it up.
johnny reb 48 | 7,133
29 May 2018 #84
I suppose that's the difference between the Windsor Castle and Disneyworld style of civic life!

Hell no but let's get all the facts here of just why they arrested Tommy.
Firstly, the jury had already found the Islamic gang-rapists guilty, and thus he was not committing any sub judice offence at all.
So obviously they targeted him.
The British Establishment, police, political class and media should spend more time studying the UK Constitution, and less time looking for new ways to shut him up. They created him, and they must face that responsibility - not use judicial loopholes to lock him in an attic.
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #85
Firstly, the jury had already found the Islamic gang-rapists guilty

That isn't true. The jury hadn't returned its verdict - Yaxley-Lennon/Robinson was filming people as they entered court, so the trial was not over.

should spend more time studying the UK Constitution

You obviously do not realise that the UK has no Constitution, do you?

So it would be a little difficult to study, seeing as it has never existed.
johnny reb 48 | 7,133
29 May 2018 #86
Robinson was arrested on the charge of breaching the peace.
Inside the Court, the trial of several Pakistanis was coming to a conclusion....in fact, the jury had already found the Islamic gang-rapists guilty, and thus he was not committing any sub judice offence at all.

Yet he was fast tracked onto a charge of disturbing the peace (as the unedited video clearly shows, he was doing no such thing) and now purely because of his own violence in the past finds himself back in jail for breaching the terms of his jail release.

Now that is the way we see it in America.
CasualObserver
29 May 2018 #87
Inside the Court, the trial of several Pakistanis was coming to a conclusion

I've bolded the key words for you. It had not *come* to a conclusion, it was *coming* (i.e. still active). The Jury was not yet discharged, the court not cleared, the trial was not yet over.

Again, the jailing was for breaching court rules, plus extra for the breach of the peace (which he clearly was, by the definition of the law - look it up) and for a second offence.

There was no fast tracking - judges can and commonly do jail people for breach of court rules. It's normal, and a sign of how strongly the rule of law is upheld. Even groomers and rapists deserve an unprejudiced rigorous trial, as that way the public has confidence in the proceedings. Ironically, Robinson's actions could have let them go free, by causing a mistrial.

There is an undercurrent to all this, which might explain the sensitivity around the trial and Robinson's arrest. The far right want a race riot, and they have been goading for one for several years, by provocative actions such as marches through immigrant neighbourhoods, and pouring petrol on tensions over court cases such as this (which being widely reported in the media, so it's no secret, everyone knows there's been a problem).

It has been suggested by some that the far right and the rapist gangs in the last trial actually had some sort of 'arrangement' to get the trial derailed. That way, the rapists go free (mistrial) and the far right get their riot. It suits them both.

Because the police and the courts *know* that the far right want to create public disturbance, one of their leaders stood outside a trial streaming it live on youtube in order to get attention and some sort of reaction (increased anger) is obviously a Breach of the Peace ("likely to create public disorder"). Added to Robinson's revious arrests for violence, he is obviously a risk to public order when stood outside a court trying to get publicity for his cause.

So there is clearly justification here for his arrest, because his group has a well-known agenda (public disorder, riots), he has a violent past so is not an 'innocent bystander', and his live-streaming was being watched by far-right followers who could then be motivated and agitated to cause violence on the streets.

It's simple really. Or do you think he should have been allowed to carry on, despite all that is know about him, his group, and their agenda?

The English public overwhelmingly reject Robinson's EDL group, and their activities: yougov.co.uk/news/2012/10/08/views-english-defence-league/

The police and courts are defending that society form these extremists, which is their job.

Now that is the way we see it in America.

Maybe because you're seeing it from a very, very long way away?
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
29 May 2018 #88
I'll take being stopped by border guards and some stupid journo who insulted the good name of Poland over bring prosecuted for thought crime, migrant gang rapes and cultural enrichment trucks

And atleast polish men with royal blood wont be marrying ugly flat skanks with 2 failed marraiges
CasualObserver
30 May 2018 #89
some stupid journo who insulted the good name of Poland over bring prosecuted for thought crime

You completely fail to see the hypocrisy of what you just wrote, don't you? A journo saying one thing can be prosecuted if you don't like it, but a pretend journo saying something else shouldn't be prosecuted? How does your mind cope with all the knots you tie it in?

wont be marrying ugly flat skanks with 2 failed marraiges

Women must find you an absolute charmer, referring to other women in those sorts of terms and values. I'm sure your mother is proud of you and all you stand for, seeing other women as "ugly flat skanks" (i.e. looks & t!ts).
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
30 May 2018 #90
A journo saying one thing can be prosecuted if you don't like it, but a pretend journo saying something else shouldn't be prosecuted?

Nope. It depends when they say. One journo was criticizing his motherland, another was commenting on an alleged muslim rape gang. I support any statements that are in preserving poland as a Christian homogenous socially conservative country, which is what the majority of polish citizens desire as well.

Women must find you an absolute charmer,

Well I've never had a problem finding a date so no. I'm balancing two girls right now. Sometimes I take them both out together. I'd never date much less wife some dirty skank with a list of dudes she's screwed longer than the Sumerian king list.... but rheres always betas that will take sloppy seconds thirds or in Harry's case.. 2357ths

i'm sure your mother is proud of you

Considering i help the fam out financially and in other ways very much so. Atleast unlike you ill be able to support my rents when they get old and arent working


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