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What can citizens do to make Poland a better place to live?


OP Wroclaw Boy
15 Feb 2009 #31
I hadn't considered the thought that I'd allow a Polish woman over here to beat me into submission.

What ever baby, and what ever blows your hair back. Youre a golden boy so im gonna say enjoy your life buddy and need i say maintain moral integrity at all times....

I'll sort these guys out for now...
Seanus 15 | 19,672
15 Feb 2009 #32
Does Poland have anything akin to a neighbourhood watch scheme? We tried this idea in Scotland and it wasn't really as effective as some had hoped. The idea is fine but its application is impractical. No meetings were held to discuss shady characters or potential threats to the area in question. Crime continued unabated.
Randal 1 | 577
15 Feb 2009 #33
What can the average Polander do to make P-Land a better place?

That’s easy: Retain the Polish identity and resist undue Western influence.

Like much of the world, the Poles I have met seem fascinated with all things American. Except the problem is that the vast majority of that influence is of the distorted, twisted, morally hollow view of America presented to them via twisted and morally hollow Hollywood and its notorious Liberal views.

Think of some of the threads here praising Polish women as being noticeably different and better than other women around the world. There is reason for that and it lies in tradition. Do not permit those traditions to be diluted or corrupted by corrupt Western influences.

The best thing about my Polish girl is that she has not been Westernized in this way. When I first met her I noticed this right away and this is in fact what made me fall for her so. I love her because she is Polish. This caused me to become interested in Polish culture and to explore it. I like what I have found.

Don’t let that unique cultural identity die.
OP Wroclaw Boy
15 Feb 2009 #34
The best thing about my Polish girl is that she has not been Westernized in this way. When I first met her I noticed this right away and this is in fact what made me fall for her so.

Ahmen brother, lets keep it natural....
Seanus 15 | 19,672
15 Feb 2009 #35
Better is a highly subjective term but I know what you are saying, Randal. Btw, what's wrong with liberal views? Some people here could benefit from certain more liberal ways.
Randal 1 | 577
16 Feb 2009 #36
With every immigrant that arrives and refuses to assimilate, and instead Polish culture is compromised to accommodate them, Polish cultural identity slips away a little bit more.

American culture has been suffering from all this “rich diversity” too.

We’re drowning in Liberalism over here, Seanus. Too much of a bad thing.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
16 Feb 2009 #37
Polish culture is compromised to accommodate them? In what ways?

As long as true Americans maintain their values and way of life, I don't see a big problem. It was America who welcomed foreigners after all. 'Bring all your tired and weary' etc etc.
joo who - | 100
16 Feb 2009 #38
Polish men could cut the macho bullsh*t role and start treating girls as their equals! (But you can still chop the wood, hold the doors open, carry the heavy bags etc...!). ;0)

And you boys can also cut the crapp about polish women being the bestest in the whole wide world...not one of you has met my daughter yet!! Not only is she beautiful, educated, and well-dressed....she also SMILES, a lot! And she doesn't tell lies, jump queues or rally drive on the public highway, either!!

Oh, and Harry, that (above) was really LOW! REALLY LOW!
goodlady 2 | 31
16 Feb 2009 #39
And you boys can also cut the crapp about polish women being the bestest in the whole wide world...

i agree polish girls are no more beautiful than any other caucasian girl/women. i have found polish girls(young girls) dont eat dye their hair at a very early age, wear too much make-up- dont smile-are obessed with finding a rich man to marry and tell many lies. They do not age well either. men who are not polish are attracted to Difference
joo who - | 100
16 Feb 2009 #40
I have only got close to one Polish girl...she ate a bit too much (!), but aside from that she fitted the description above perfectly! Dyed hair, loads of make-up, obsessed with money...she did smile sometimes...but only when she was telling lies!!! Or stealing!

I think the neatest way for Polish citizens to improve life here would be to get a bit more honest! Start to value friendship and love above money and possessions, and send all the hairdressers back to hairdressing school!!!

And don't forget to smile and plant a geranium

;0)
tonykenny 18 | 131
16 Feb 2009 #41
sudden this Polish agency had an offer.

I had a similar things trying to buy a house in England years ago. Everytime I was 'interested' but not ready to make an offer, the agent phoned the next day saying somebody else had placed an offer for the asking price. This happened a few times, it was always the asking price and always the day after. So i always said, "Fine, let them have it, it's not worth more". Again, every time, the day after that 'buyer' retracted their offer...

So, the lies are not limited to Poland.

particularly after seeing how someone else I know had made a complete balls-up of relocating to Poland

Oh, I didn't know I knew you....
Harry
16 Feb 2009 #42
I had a similar things trying to buy a house in England years ago.

The key words there would be "years ago".
tonykenny 18 | 131
16 Feb 2009 #43
About 7 years ago, do you really think they're any different now? I wouldn't trust an estate agent as far as I could throw them. And most of them I wouldn't even be able to lift!
Randal 1 | 577
16 Feb 2009 #44
Polish culture is compromised to accommodate them? In what ways?

As long as true Americans maintain their values and way of life, I don't see a big problem. It was America who welcomed foreigners after all. 'Bring all your tired and weary' etc etc.

Yeah, we're coming to regret that some!

It’s about assimilation (where the newcomer adjusts to local custom and culture) -vs.- accommodation (where the host is expected to change to suit the newcomer), Seanus. Inevitably, the latter acts to change the host. This is in part why misguided social engineering schemes designed to increase "diversity" are such crap and end up serving to dilute a culture.

Do a lot of Polish girls really lie regularly? I have heard this now a few times.

Not mine. She was sweet and smart and funny and honest and honorable and above all, real –a natural beauty with no makeup and absolutely no airs! (This last bit is what I call un-Westernized.)

(sniff) I want her back!
Seanus 15 | 19,672
16 Feb 2009 #45
I really can't comment on the lying of Polish women as I'm not in a position to catch them when they do (not that I care for doing so). Some need to lie to get ahead.

Cultural dilution, I was doing that today in class. I was pleasantly surprised, the young ones were highly tolerant and willing to embrace newcomers from far afield. It all goes pear shaped when they get older. I was lucky to have an eager group of 15 year olds discuss various facets of multiculturalism. If this generation maintains that level of open-mindedness, it augurs/bodes well for the future.
Randal 1 | 577
16 Feb 2009 #46
Cultural dilution, I was doing that today in class. I was pleasantly surprised, the young ones were highly tolerant and willing to embrace newcomers from far afield. It all goes pear shaped when they get older. I was lucky to have an eager group of 15 year olds discuss various facets of multiculturalism. If this generation maintains that level of open-mindedness, it augurs/bodes well for the future.

Oh. So you’re one of them then, are you? Programming kids to the One World view.

How about instead of shoving all that appreciation for multiculturalism crap down the kids’ throats you instead just give them the facts about other cultures and let them decide how to think about it all for themselves?
Davey 13 | 388
16 Feb 2009 #47
How about instead of shoving all that appreciation for multiculturalism crap down the kids’ throats you instead just give them the facts about other cultures and let them decide how to think about it all for themselves?

Do you think it's a good trait for your child to be prejudist? It just sets you back in life....
Seanus 15 | 19,672
16 Feb 2009 #48
You got me wrong, Randal. I taught virtually nothing. I gave them handouts to discuss and monitored.

I see both sides of the argument. I am not there to be a preacher to them, nor do I want to be. Frankly, I don't give a toss what a lot of people say half the time.

I believe much more in your approach, give them the info and let them form their own opinions. People have the internet these days, they can learn virtually anything. Teaching could be more redundant in the future as learning aids take over.
Randal 1 | 577
16 Feb 2009 #49
Glad to hear it, Seanus.

Do you think it's a good trait for your child to be prejudist? It just sets you back in life....

That’s not what I said at all, Davey. How did you get this from that quote?
Maybe you are one of the intolerant PC folks who jumps to attack and label as “haters” all others who may not share your precise views?

There is great difference between mere exposure with expected tolerance and coerced embracement with celebration.
Davey 13 | 388
16 Feb 2009 #50
That’s not what I said at all, Davey. How did you get this from that quote?
Maybe you are one of the intolerant PC folks who jumps to attack and label as “haters” all others who may not share your precise views?

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. I just see nothing wrong with teaching people to appreciate other cultures and resist ethnocentrism. Intolerance is considered a negative trait in the majority of societies.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
16 Feb 2009 #51
I can agree with that too. Although it's not my function to do that, turning people's heads around sometimes helps in the long run.
Randal 1 | 577
16 Feb 2009 #52
Again, you have seen no intolerance posted here by me, Davey. I am all for tolerance …minus the all too present Liberal coerced inflated value.

Maybe you missed this:

There is great difference between mere exposure with expected tolerance and coerced embracement with celebration.

No hate there.

How about some tolerance from the PC tolerance pushers?
To me, brainwashing kids is worse than permitting even some unwashed ideas to run loose. Would you agree?
Seanus 15 | 19,672
17 Feb 2009 #53
WB, better go with the devil you know. Preaching moral virtues is all well and good but people live by different codes. You seem to be doing just fine, keep it up.
Arien 3 | 719
17 Feb 2009 #54
I think that even the smallest of gestures may have a huge impact for the better on a society as a whole. Especially when more people in your environment start to pick up on those small pleasantries, simply because someone else may remind them of the fact that it isn't too hard, or even too much to ask for to be nice and polite. Maybe a little more honesty and tolerance wouldn't hurt us that much either, but unfortunately, you can't change everything.

I can remember it all like it was yesterday how I became such a twisted and negative individual because of all the bad examples that people have showed me. And at some point, I really believed it was perfectly normal to be like that.

So I agree, such gestures, no matter how small, could help someone else to become positive. When you're blaming, preaching, judging or showing someone else how superiour you are compared to that person really doesn't help at all.

:)

And making it impossible to post a funny smiley to cheer someone up doesn't help either!

:p
Seanus 15 | 19,672
17 Feb 2009 #55
Exactly, Arien. Influence people but don't dominate them. Life is not about that. Humour in healthy doses, just like wine, works wonders :)
Randal 1 | 577
18 Feb 2009 #56
Influence people but don't dominate them. Life is not about that.

I wish our Libs thought like this!

Oops, back on topic... Poland would be lucky to have all their Libs think like that too!
Arlene
18 Feb 2009 #57
All I can says:

1. Don't leave Poland for other countries.
2. Work for Government jobs and you will get ideas how your country works.
3. Study your country's histories.
4. Have good educations and colleges too.
5. Be professionals and have a good manners.
6. Fight for your country and make new rules like all immigrantions people are fighting
with America and tell us what should America do for you. Don't do that. Fight for your
country.
7. Don't have bad personal lifestyles when you are running for President or Manager.
8. Keep your private life behind and concentrate your jobs.
Hope this help....... Good Luck!
De PEREIRA - | 13
18 Feb 2009 #58
Good manners cost nothing. When I wait beside a parked car because the pavement is too narrow for 3 of us (2 of them and me), they walk past and don't even acknowledge me. A mere 'dziękuję' would be ample. I got so pissed off with this basic lack of etiquette that I just barged on through the last time. What are they gonna do? I'm much bigger than them.

Pavements are meant for parking cars and not for pedestriants this is the idea i get when moving around the city ,it is irritating when you have a stroller ,I always wondered what are the cops for and the Parking attendents ,it is just so very f *** ing normal ,probably 4 flat tyres could do the job ,wonder if it would help.
tonykenny 18 | 131
18 Feb 2009 #59
always wondered what are the cops for and the Parking attendents

them bugger clamped me for parking in a no parking zone... but, this was on a one way street with the sign pointing the WRONG WAY so i didn't see it! The road used to be 2 way, hence the sign pointing the other way... The only consolation was that 4 other cars got clamped too.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
18 Feb 2009 #60
This is the Polish way, yes. We don't do that in Scotland. Some louts come racing up and push you away from the side of the pavement. Citizens could learn to respect the rights of pavement/sidewalk users and not drive on up like a moron.


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