@dolnoslask Yes, you did. But you do not create awareness, make sure that the Jews will bring this tradition to your country. Bribing doctors can begin to healthcare organizations. Your children at an early age, you should inform about the harms of circumcision in the primary school age. I thank you. Good forum.
Sorry i'm not one to go for Jewish conspiracy theorise , I hope one day that Jews return to Poland and prosper as they did in the past, my grandfather had some great Jewish neighbours.
This is not a conspiracy theory. Circumcision began to spread all over the world. It's a lot of big money. The monetary value of the foreskin is too high. No need to be sorry for my penis. I'm just trying to prevent others to be circumcised.
I assume whomever started this thread is slightly retarded. Circumcision is genital mutilation. If people get upset about women in Africa getting their vulvas choped off, so should they be revolted about cutting parts of a penis off.
Luckily the vast majority of men in europe are not circumcised.
Yup. And it makes sex less intense. It's part of the overall emasculating propoganda spread in the us and it's coming to Europe too Thankfully in poland genital mutilation isn't practiced.
Quartz is a far left, pro lgbt site. The real reason why circumcision is pushed in the U.S. is out of peer pressure - as the QZ article says. They don't go into its origins though in the U.S. and how the practice became popular and how even media has a specific position about circumcision. Originally, Jews started doing it per religious instruction as everyone knows. Doctors, especially Jewish doctors which were overrepresented in the medical profession especially in the latter 1800s, early 1900s, encouraged the practice. They argued it was cleaner, caused less disease, etc and basically promoted a religious belief and the reasons for it as a medical argument. Jewish men would no longer feel strange being the only ones circumcised. More male babies became circumcised and slowly it became the norm. Men who weren't circumcised were criticized, shamed in all sorts of ways - similar to how Jewish men were when they were the only ones circumcised. Then in the past few decades movies and TV shows began to make fun of uncircumcised men (i.e. Euro Trip for example). This peer pressure that was established decades, if not over a century ago has caused women to think that uncircumcised men were unclean, an uncut penis unattractive, etc. More and more men thus became circumcised due to pressure from so many sides. Thus, parents were told to mutilate their male baby's genitals so they would avoid this criticism and shaming later in life all because early on doctors, especially Jewish doctors, encouraged circumcision.
"...the medical practice dates from the late 19th century-a time when the causes of most diseases were poorly understood."
It has really nothing to do with "emasculating propaganda", as you say. In the U.S., they ask you months before the birth of your son if you want a circumcision for him or not. No pressure whatsoever.
(Jews) ... promoted a religious belief
I don't believe that conspiracy theory. The practice is thousands of years old and seems to have originated in eastern Africa. It can be found in different cultures across the globe. My take: if God wants men to be circumcised, why did she give us a foreskin in the first place? ;)
Quartz is a far left, pro lgbt site.
I didn't even know they are, but what does that have to do with the information they provide? In this case, it is neutral and accurate.
Yes the info is mostly accurate but leaves out a few things. Of course you're given a choice. You're also given a choice whether to live in society and participate in it or live in a cabin in the woods without plumbing. But due to peer pressure and society were swayed a certain way, as with circumcision. Now though circumcision rates are falling drastically in the US. Now it's mainly limited to Jews and Muslims. A few decades ago though if you were uncircumcised you'd be mocked, called unclean, women were in a way brainwashed to find uncircumcised peni unattractive, etc. In numerous american moves and TV shows there'd be a foreign european with a heavy accent, oftentimes french, trying to pick up a girl and they would make fun of his uncut penis.
Circumcision may have originated in africa, but it was most certainly popularized in western society first by jews. This isn't any sort of conspiracy theory. It's simply fact that jews were over represented in the medical profession in the 1800s 1900s simply because they were more educated than the average American goy. They were the first to really push circumcision mixing religious belief, which yes before people bathed regularly being circumcised certainly had advantages, and medicine that purports the same advantages. There's a book called Marked In Your Flesh Circumcision from Ancient Judea to Modern America by Leonard Glick that illustrates thd role of Jewish doctors promoting circumcision. Slowly circumcision became a societal norm in the us, and like living in a cabin in the woods goingn against that norm got you criticized, made fun of, etc. It's origin was with Jewish doctors and to a lesser extent the belief circumcision made men masterbate less. It made sense at a time when indoor plumbing wasn't ubiquitous and a man couldn't properly wash his junk daily. People would take a bath once a week like on a Saturday or Sunday and even share the bathwater so it made sense.
americans circumcise their kids thanks to mass Zionist propaganda in their daily media.
Exactly, it's all the Jews fault again in the name of religion. The modern use of Hebrew circumcision as a medicalized practice dates from about 1865 in England and about 1870 in the US. The procedure accepted for medical use essentially was the Jewish peri'ah. Moscucci reports that circumcision was imposed in an attempt to prevent masturbation. Could someone who has a foreskin tell me how removing it could stop someone from slapping the snot out of goofy ? Yet the Jew Boys don't have a circumcision for girls and the Rabi's aren't concerned about preventing female masturbation. Bless their hearts. Keep Poland Polish with their foreskins !
Circumcision was meant historically as a means of keeping the male organ clean from any number of impurities in the body, much as keeping kosher according to kashruth, was an early attempt by the ancient Hebrews of an early health code.
Don't let's blame the Jews merely for following one of the basic tenets of their faith. Having said that, I don't believe one can be a "bad Jew" by being a basically "good" person aka a "mensch", albeit not subscribing to often outdated dietary restrictions, particularly nowadays that the danger's passed and eating pork is no longer necessarily fatal, same for shell fish. I know many Catholics who typically will swear like a sailor on Sunday, criticize the Pope roundly, eat beef on Fridays and are still good people, even if in the eyes of the Church, they are considered lapsed Catholics-)
Circumcision was meant historically as a means of keeping the male organ clean
If that is a true or false question I would have to check the false box. Historically the Israelites circumcision was a religious rite. The special meaning of circumcision for the people of Israel is found in Genesis 17 and occurs within the context of God's renewed covenant promise to Abraham.
Of course it was rationalized as a religious reason, but again, the ancient Israelites weren't dumb and realized that there were also clearly hygienic benefits to circumcision.
In those times, eating pork or shellfish could indeed bring certain death. It was then explained as such for religious reasons. Today however, such danger has largely passed, yet orthodox or observant Jews resolutely continue to keep kosher:-)
but again, the ancient Israelites weren't dumb and realized that there were also clearly hygienic benefits to circumcision.
But again that is not the reason it "historically" was an early attempt by the ancient Hebrews of an early health code. Historically it was started for religious reasons by the Jews as I stated, "the context of God's renewed covenant promise to Abraham" which had nothing to do with a health code that you are trying to divert to. (What health codes back then ?)
It was all the Jews fault in the name of trying to stop boys from masturbating.
Today however, such danger has largely passed,
For eating certain foods but certainly not to stop Jew boys from masturbating as I am sure you can attest to yourself. Why else would the Jews still have such a practice now that we have soap, water and Gold Bond.
Spilling seed is traditionally frowned upon by all organized (as well I'm sure by some disorganized) religion, yet the Allmighty is willing to wink his eye on that one.
On murder, I'm not so sure:-) Ever heard of the good ol' Hail Mary Pass? LOL
Maybe but the Jewish organization/religion is the one we are debating here. Why circumcision was historically first practiced. The Jews started it and that is the topic/issue here.
True but the question we were debating was how circumcision first started historically that you seem to be avoiding. Do you deny that circumcision was first practiced by the Jews of Israel which is found in Genesis 17 and occurs within the context of God's renewed covenant promise to Abraham ?
Do you deny that circumcision was started by the Jews in the name of religion ?
