Poland's birthrate on the decline

But it would have worked as a child's help as well

Is that still a sex-tourism hotspot for old frustrated Polish women who take advantage of desperate younger males looking to get into Europe through a sham marriage?


Co-parenting in Muslim countries is done with the husband who works as well as extended family. You know, the sort of arrangement that used to be done in Poland before communism and feminism.


Right and women have responsibilities in this matter rather than holding society to ransom.

Women who complain enough is never done for them to have children never say that once they get what they want they guarantee to have three or more children in exchange. Never.


It's feminist like yourself who are fine with the importation of the third worlders. Feminist won't complain until the third worlders begin to be given preferential treatment at the expense of feminists.

Good luck with that then. Tell us how that approach works for you.

Typical feminist answer. You only want rights and no responsibilities. No different than a child. Indeed, how can the West expect to have actual children when their hands are full dealing with women like you?

The only target on their list is white men. You know...that toxic masculinity...Never, ever Muslims...Faggots are the same way.

Oh, those dark-eyed, handsome, tanned habibis, mmmm... haha :D


There doesn't seem to be much parenting happening in Egypt, I'm afraid.


Bullsh1t. Parenting wasn't done by fathers, but by mothers. And that's what it was like when I was a kid, because many men are lazy, selfish a$$holes :)


Not really, not all feminists are the same. Just like not all "third worlders" are the same.

Is not just women's fault. Men are as guilty as women for several reasons and not alone all those knights in shining armor, simps, and last but not least daddies that help raise some princesses accustomed to being spoiled by their fathers.

No, we just wish all the burdens and responsibilities weren't put on just our shoulders. And if the society wants to have children, then it will have to make it easier for people to have those children. That's the reality. Wishful thinking of misogynistic a$$holes won't change that reality.

Do you meant them stomping their feet won't work?

Where does it say that the earth's population must always go up? With all them robots, it could go down by 3/4 and life would go on just fine.

Not long ago, 30% of Americans were farmers. Today, it's 3% and still capable of feeding the rest of us and some...

The simple would be to pay enough that a parent working can support the family with four children.

Quoting CBS News:

The cost of raising a child is almost $240,000 - and that's before college

That cost is still the same if everything is "free".

Yes, female narcissism and self-preservation is very real and white women went along with absolute zeal with any agenda rolled out to compete with, attack and tear down white men.

Never mind white women already held positions of comfort and deference in society for generations.

They demanded more and they got it.

Look at any affirmative action program in any Western country and it has been white women who have been the greatest beneficiaries each and every time.

White female privilege has been criticized over the years in some leftwing media outlets but this is yet to get any traction in government and businesses.

But it is white women who decided to commit demographic suicide in order to have "amazing careers" for themselves.

Time is against though and they too face demographic replacement. They have just been too self-centered and too stupid for it to dawn on them yet. Transwomen competing in sports and using female only spaces have been the only areas of encroachment they have complained about because it is in their faces. They lack foresight and don't have the intelligence anyway to understand that becoming a demographic minority is going to knock them off their high horse permanently.


Absolutely. They thought sipping increased their chances of getting laid or starting a family never realizing women see such behavior as weakness. Indeed, they backstabbed other men and the birthrates never improved.


You have daddy issues and are not the average. Many fathers have parented and wanted to. Feminists fought against this and the courts sided with the women. Now study after study shows the many benefits of having fathers in the lives of children; both for the family and society.

As a grandpa to four girls, this subject is more important to me than anything else. I visited many colleges to ask students I met if they agreed with biological men competing in women's sports. To my surprise, women were more agreeable and ambivalent about this problem. Guys were like "fvck, no way!!!".

Another proof of why women should not govern. They would rather get hurt than appear intolerant. See Sweden.

I'm sure there were some fathers that parented, but I'm talking about an average Polish family during the time when I was a kid. I'm not talking only about the case of my parents, obviously.


Courts giving kids to mothers stems from the conviction in the Polish society that kids belong with their mother. And this is result of the fact that in Poland it have been mothers who have been taking care of kids so far. And this is because of the conviction that it's the mother's job to take care of the kids. And this is a traditional, patriarchal approach, not a feminist one. It is changing a bit with younger generations and I hope it will change further.


Yes, but provided they actually take part in their lives, actually take care of them and don't just take the back seat letting the mother do all the work.

They don't need to take part in their lives - just the ability to say no to the teen idiots.
Mothers can't for a number of reasons - including the sick idea that they and their daughters should be best friends.

There you go, Poloniusz - that's a typical selfish, lazy, clueless, autistic and a$$holish older generation Polish father attitude for you :) (and probably typical not only for Polish fathers)

Fathers are to lay down the laws and enforce them. Women are too weak for the job and too agreeable.
We never took part in our kids' lives as helicopter parents and they exceeded our wildest expectations in every category. Their kids are as good and nobody ever asks them if they did their homework.

If you only made sure they were healthy and safe, you did 90% of the job. The rest is by being a good example.

When my younger daughter told me that she was planning to go to Africa to teach, my response was swift and simple: You are over 18 so you can do what you want. If you get kidnapped, I will not pay the ransom. If you get murdered, I will not go there to retrieve your body. Is that clear? Yes, Dad.

Case closed in less than a minute... I didn't moan, whine, beg, or even argue...No, she didn't go to Africa. Ever.

No country can survive on estrogen.


Polish families have maintained a nuclear structure for many generations that were beneficial to the birthrates as well as the wellbeing of children and society.

You obviously have a very particular feminist notion in your head as to how that structure should be arranged and maintained but it won't work.

Studies consistently show that women who live in a fantasy world where gender roles and responsibilities are flipped in order to privilege themselves even more are still unhappy.

Having men work and having women stay at home to care for children is what works best consistently and all across society.

Feminists like yourself envision yourselves getting all dressed up and pretending to do work by sitting at a desk in an comfortable office and updating spreadsheets while the men stay at home cooking, cleaning and caring for children.

Feminists like yourself never see yourselves getting dirty and tired from doing manual labor all day at a construction site while the men are at home cooking, cleaning and caring for children.


Lies.

It's feminist-matriarchal dogma to punish a father by depriving him of his children while still expecting him to pay for financial support.


No you don't. Women never want to cede their power and privilege.


You're not about to admit that many women don't want men taking a part and not just after a divorce either.

Go ahead then. If it's so nice and cozy why man don't want to do it?

I worked manual jobs. So what?

Fathers from my parents generation weren't doing even that. They were simply doing pretty much nothing. That included giving zero affection to their kids.

What court would give a child to someone like that?


That's not true - at least in the case of Polish women.


Considering what their father is like - that's probably for the better lol This is probably why they turned out normal :))) Oh, and btw, I'm not talking about being "helicopter parents". I'm talking about normal parenting and simply taking care of your kids.

... following the commie rule of What is mine is mine. Yours is up for grabs.

@Poloniusz
You still expect a women of her stature to be reasoned with? They are all lost, so is their DNA. Their lottery offspring will have a tough time finding a job if they even get one.

You honestly think they won't be outbreed? Importing women will only escalate, just as passport broes increases. They cannot see the grave their falling into, cause their too busy climbing the ladder that leads to nowhere for them except for a gigantic undefeated wall which will plummet them into a grave.

Their pride make them blind and will not see reason cause they think they got all the cards and power. Foolish are they, foolish I say and write. Foolish

You two judging by your own words.


Lottery offspring? And why should they have a problem finding a job?


We are not bothered because we don't aim to be breeders.

This is where you are absolutely correct.
On the plus side, I left them at 24 and never looked back. No regrets, no tears, not even a phone call. They didn't shed any tears, either. That's how it was way back. As a result, I swore not to be like them. So now we hug at every visit and tell them how proud we are as parents. I hear and say "I love you" more often than necessary. My favorite is: I am so happy you are my wife. That's after 53 years. I never heard that from my father.

Not flipped but shared fairly.


That's clearly not true if you compare Western countries with traditional countries. Western countries are more successful, richer, etc.


Nope, it's true.


You clearly don't understand what I'm talking about. It's not only about ceding "power and privileges" but also duties and responsibilities. You know - those duties and responsibilities that men don't like so much :)))

What kind of "manual" jobs? Sitting at a supermarket checkout?

It would drive women absolutely crazy knowing they had to work outdoors in the cold or heat doing filthy and even dangerous work while their husbands were at home simply doing chores. You think women in this scenario would be having more children? Yeah, sure, but only if it would get them out from having to do real manual work.


No, I don't. But she shouldn't expect silence on this issue so she can "feel" she is right.


I agree. Feminists, like children, only believe in having rights and never having to face responsibility.

When the fall comes (and it will) they will still blame men.


Sure, sure. "Shared fairly" but only to women's satisfaction.


Not universally. Having both men and women working depressed wages while causing ever widening economic disparities.


Okay, so what privileges will you as a woman give up in exchange for men taking on more duties and responsibilities?

I agree there is a lot of wishful thinking here.
Community based society can be good but it is rare in western world.
It still exists in rural community perhaps in Poland?

Can't blame you.


Yup. My sentiments exactly.


Awesome. 👍

Nope. Simply shared fairly.


Sorry, but I can't see that. In traditional countries "economic disparities" are far greater.


I thought it's pretty obvious. You were talking about courts giving kids to mothers. If fathers start actually taking care of their kids and will be able to take care of the house on their own (as in - not being życiowe sieroty) then they will be more likely to get child custody after getting divorce. Simple :)