Poland's birthrate on the decline

Tradwives in Poland...

onet.pl/informacje/newsweek/tradwife-czyli-tradycyjna-zona-dlaczego-mlode-polki-wybieraja-prace-w-domu/bdl9kb9,452ad802

"- W dzisiejszych czasach kobiety pracują na trzy etaty. Nie mówię, że wszystkie nagle mają odejść z pracy, ale uważam, że powinno się zreformować nasz system podatkowy, tak aby te, które chcą, mogły zostać w domu. Gdyby przejęły funkcje żłobków czy przedszkoli, zostałoby w systemie mnóstwo pieniędzy."

Transl.: Today women work three full-time jobs. I'm not saying that they should all quit their jobs, but I think that our system should be reformed in a way that would allow those who would like to stay at home to do so. If they took over the role of nurseries and playschools, there would be a lot of money left in the system.

Ha! Looks like Tradwife movement reached Poland. :) Fair play to lovely Wiktoria, Kasia, Magdalena, Poliksena and others. Fingers crossed for more women to see the light of genuine Christianity in marriage. However, I still think the system should accommodate those women who cannot afford to quit their jobs and make it easier for them too.

Go Tradwives!!!

@GefreiterKania
It would be a welcoming change to have women wanting and being able to stay at home, take care of the house, kids, cook, bake, invite her friends and their kids over for tea and biscuits while talking about the newest information.

Diametrically better then slaving off to some corporation that wouldn't give a rats ass about women that worsen their lives as much as possible and exploit them, just for the sake money.

It might come as surprising but I find most women to be abhorantly capitalistic, only pretending to want to share anything as not to "look" bad.

It's a farce!

I know, Grunni. You don't have to preach to the converted ;)


Which is not a bad thing - they have to think about material stuff to create safe environment and good chances for their children. You remember the old Madonna's song...

youtu.be/6p-lDYPR2P8

... smart girls! :) *thumbs up*

@GefreiterKania
I ain't preaching, just stating my opinions in frustration over the situation in the world! :(((

Life could been so much better!!! :(

Don't need to tell me about it, a women is in her right to take care and mind what's in need to have a good and safe home for her and future children.

You are more than welcome to stay at home :)

Make up your mind, because you're contradicting yourself.

It's also funny that Pol-Am misogynists on this forum accuse women of being more likely to have a socialist mindset than men. So, again - make up your minds lol

I honestly have enough of this bullsh1t. I guess it may be pretty shocking for you, men, but women aren't really that much different from you. We're all human beings. And men aren't any less capitalistic than women. After all, they invented capitalism, they are the owners and the heads of those big corpos that are exploiting people around the world, they prefer to make careers and make money rather than take care of their own children and spend time with them.


Those two sentences show how little you know about women or how prejudiced you are. It's pretty shocking and mindblowing really... Unless you're joking?


Men often claim that on the internet, but so far I haven't seen that being confirmed in real life. What I most often see in reality is people marrying others from their social circles - they're simply marrying their peers. Both men marrying down and women marrying up seem to be more of outliers rather than a rule.

And it's not like women aren't marrying down or being in relationships with men "lower on the social ladder". At some point Lady Gaga was engaged to Taylor Kinney, a minor starlet that I know of only because I happened to watch TV series where we had a minor role. Kinney is hot and Lady Gaga... well, let's be honest, she isn't a beauty. If she was an ordinary woman he probably wouldn't even notice her, but she's a superstar, so... Another example - Madonna, who's 64, keeps dating 20-something models. Britney Spears, who's 41, is married to Sam Asghari, a dancer from Iran, who's 28. You know what all those men have in common? They're all hot, often much younger too and much lower on the social ladder than those superstar women.

And it's not only celebrities. I've read once a blog of a Polish woman who married an Egyptian bartender whom she met when he was working at a hotel in which she stayed during her holidays in Egypt (she was living in a house on her own in Poland, so I'm guessing she wasn't poor). She fell in love with him. She wrote that once she managed to bring him to Poland, she wouldn't let him out of her bed. So I'm guessing he was hot too :)))

*"he", not "we", sorry

Yes, a man like that cares mainly about her looks :))) Sorry, but it's often not "romantic", but simply superficial. He doesn't necessarily like the girl, but her body. I have an impression that men often mistake physical/sexual attraction with falling in love and they get blinded by their desire. And then they get disappointed, because she turned out to be a b1tch or a gold-digger.

@Lenka
Male expectations and needs are not the same as with a female, humans, animals alike. We even need different food, so no. By not having a house or a job I might as well shoot myself, and that's not an option for me...

@Paulina
No I am not, there are many different kinds of women and those who are stubbornly passionate to copy-cat men and live a "man like lifestyle" are ruling the waves of opinions in the west to societies downfall.

A womens need for materials and ressources being insanely driven to the extremes turns capitalistic, while men's need to ensure a healthy women that can deliver a healthy child taken to the extremes wants to visit strippers and pay for it (which is also abhorant mind you)

Peoples lack of such awareness leads to downfall of western society piece by piece, one only has to look at the marriage ratings, people think it's exchangeable like gloves while in reality it's a sacred and holy commitment.

I will not be silent or stand idle as more children in this world grow up without the best prospects, simply because somebody feels "oppressed " toot hoot. Grow up

Welcome to PiS hypocrites` Poland. Here is a new scandal made by PiS which is just another brick in the wall discouraging women from having children.

Can you imagine that PIS` National Health Fund demands that doctors all over Poland return money for substitute milk for which they wrote prescriptions for children from the wrong age group? Milk was supposed to be for babies up to 18 months of age, and sometimes doctors also prescribed it for older children. One female doctor has to reimburse 160.000 PLN !

Comment under the article:

The last sentence is crucial: embryo, fetus, valid until birth. Then whether a sick child, a disabled child, or a child with special needs - even dietary ones - prolifers or their gov do not care about such kids.

hi,

Declining birth rate is true in many places of Europe.
It is sad.
I was walking in parks in Poland. Many families with only child or couples with dogs.
Perhaps 500+ program did not work !

Everyone knows it didn't.

it was better than nothing and helped many to some extent you wouldn't know because you are living outside the country. Most likely raking in all the benefits you can put your hand on.

To begrudge some money for families in Poland at the same time, you are a stinking hypocrite, aren't you?

True but didn't boost birth rates as it was advertised to do.


Who told you I begrudge it? Projecting much?

you, talk about it all the time, are you out of touch? It had been said and done and dusted a long time ago. You would have known if you had any interest in that.

Why even respond to the Western man's post which is most likely some easter troll?

Really? Anything to back it up?


And what does that change? If anything it gives better picture of the programme's impact on birth rates

it pulled many children above the poverty line. So, it was a good policy to some extent.

In that respect yes but then it should be introduced as such and selective.

geez, you are picky like hell, should have could have that is immaterial, either something has some positive effect or not or is downright harmful, we are living in a reality we can't easily escape hopping for some perfect solution is just a pure whining.

@Ironside

I am not trolling. In my polish social circle i know at least 3 couples without kids.
These couples are rich by polish standard with houses , good jobs , yet still no kids.

Lately i have noticed not many kids in kids'park .
I was told many old people in here Poland.

It is too bad couples do not make more kids.
Poland has good things going on :
- good education (score 492 in PISA result better than Germany)
- security

Ok, next time you need a plumber to fix you leak and instead he improves your shower pressure while charging you twice what it would cost you to do that be happy.

I don't see the connection to the subject of our exchange in your somewhat convoluted story.

The government wanted to solve one problem (birth rate) and created that programm (that you calling in a plumber and him starting to fix your leak). It didn't work but helped some kids in poverty ( that is the plumber helping the shower pressure) but spend more than needed by giving it to anyone ( that's the charging twice but).

@Lenka most western countries have similar help for kids.
example : Germany.But they do not use it too.

What could help women to have more babies for you ?

And that is good but in that case it should have been run differently.


Better childcare arrangements, better housing situation, better employee/employer relationship

I don't know what they wanted.
If you want a story reflecting what happened here it is:
There were some singers and a music and a theatre. They set up a stage and were selling tickets, some were selling tickets for a musical and some for an opera but all of them got a singing performance that wasn't that bad but wasn't either a musical or an opera but something in between.

I say, at least children had a feast.
No, need to dwell on it we can see worse with the Tusk gov.

An admission that selfish Western women want everything done for them.

Why should government and corporations be burdened with co-parenting?

:D
Poloniusz, you probably should go and live in Egypt for a while, for example, and see how "hard-working" Muslim housewives are lol


Because society needs new people and you can't have new people without children being born. Unless, of course, you prefer importing "third worlders" :)))

Because those same government are telling us there is not enough births.


Well, they implemented it as a boosting birth rate programme so ..

I think they just wanted to sell some tickets, a performance for votes. That is just my guess.