Genealogy / Why are some Polish people dark complected, and others very light [511]


I feel you have a point there, and I agree with you, but only to an extent. I.E, imagining isn't the same as being.

I agree with you that we must endeavor to empathize in order to sympathize. But we must keep ourselves in check when we speak about realities. If it has not been our direct experience then it is, in my opinion, a form of dishonesty to use a term which attributes an event to our experience.

The following example is simply only that and a simplification of something i've seen and read many times, the basics have been kept true to form:

-We had to go through a lot during the period of partition.

In the above example, unless the person (albeit an example) had gone through this experience themself, then the term "we" is incredibly inaccurate.

These kinds of words lead to an "us vs them" kind of debate imo.

Life / What's wrong with you, Polish people - is it an inferiority complex? [123]


hmmm, the metaphor used there speaks volumes about the mindset behind it.
*yawns*

Life / What's wrong with you, Polish people - is it an inferiority complex? [123]

my bad, i'll edit, cheers for keeping me honest

*sigh* Foreigner4 has tried to no avail it can't be re-edited

Genealogy / Why are some Polish people dark complected, and others very light [511]

wierd how people on this thread talk about others' experiences from history as if they were their own.

other than that, this is a very interesting topic to read through.

Life / What's wrong with you, Polish people - is it an inferiority complex? [123]


you do. here. now. look in a mirror.

ok ok all kidding aside:


it is more the vehemence of your responses-me think he doth protest too much- which may lead someone to nominate you as chairman of the board of the poles with a national identity complex group.

but i guess opinions are like arses- most of them stink.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


yes because it's my long winded posts making sweeping accusations across a range of cultures that comes across as angry (that's an example of sarcasm-basically how people normally speak to you). Good luck with having money as your posts have shown you're unable to comprehend anything beyond that with a price tag. anyway you're last post actually dipped lower on the critical thinking scales than i'd ever thought possible; congratulations, you've dumbfounded me with such stupidity.

i can no longer bestowe upon you any gifts of intellect as it would only further be as pearls before swine.

au revoir mon petit ami disposé
bon chance pierre

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


not the individual silly, if you really believe that the wealth of the entire british nation is only due to the the work done on the island then you can have all the money you desire, it wouldn't reduce your ignorance by an iota.

Look brother, you may have the trappings of wealth but it's becoming clearer and clearer you lay claim to precious little else.



^For a british owned corporation no doubt. But hey it's ok to pay people crap wages in the name of global marketing (i think you'll find you should have used a different term to better describe the model you promote but it's easy enough to figure out what you meant).


well then stop complaining if someone wants to "reape" the beneifits of their circumstance by creating a new circumstance.

This is so fun as you continually use your own logic to make one arguement but then continue on with it only to repeal your original assertions- yet you can't see it, tee hee.

Your story is touching but it lacks objectivity, sounds more like your broad's found herself a sponser, but now i'm using poor analytical skills and judging things on first blush-shame on me.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

did it take you long enough? and all you could come up with was that?

It seems that you are just a touch thin skinned and couldn't take any criticism of your stated qualm(s). No worries, despite your potty talk, miserable verbal diarrhoea, mildly amusing (not to mention uninformed) world view and racial stereotyping (lending credence to the arguement that you were [if not are] suffering from lazy thinking), i want to show you that i wasn't and am not entirely against you.

So stop asking and answering your own questions as you've just done and open yourself up to the notion that you really are looking at the situation through a the reactionary lense of child-like observation. In other words, give your head a shake and stop with the temper tantrums.


first of all, don't follow if all you're going to do is complain how lost you are. get with the program or go back to your misdirected whinging.


I empathized with you at the outset however you were too busy draggin your knuckles to figure that out. You took the one criticism i made and did more than a little spouting of your own, buddy boy.

I still empathize with your postion, but my criticism of it stands. Now go back and read my reply to your post.

You've got to see the bigger picture on these matters, you can't go trying to wage war (metaphor for any of you dolts ready to jump on that one) against' every individual you see abusing the system. First recognize the system for what it is, and has been, then go after the policy makers(should you get that far in your reasoning). As individuals, we're largely reationary so it' like trying to take care of the coughing instead of the virus.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm trying to find a good deal on alegro and get a couple pilsners down me (they're ok but they got nothing on english ales).

*edited material added below*


hmmm somehow i missed that bit you wrote, unless you just edited that, however i'll lay blame on my own p!$$ poor reading skills and apologize but also note duly, your observation rings true in the UK as well. Polish leaders and big players just seem to be more brazen (read less sophisticated) about their, ummm, oh to heck with euphamisms, criminal exploitation of their own people. And although (i'm sure they would if they could), they can't really compete with the exploiting that b.n. firms do abroad (and at home, may the god & the queen bless migrant workers). That is, the british have become rich off the backs of other peoples' countrymen.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

she's interested but wants me to do all the leg work- another example of labour exploitation imo:P

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


uhhhhhhh, because you said you were interested? so go on now, look into it.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


If you're so interested then do some research.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


so if it makes money, then it's just dandy and ducky in your books eh?
well then genius why is it you're so opposed to foreigners trying to make money in britain if you're not opposed to british co's making money in foreign lands?

after all your criteria in the point of an organization doesn't include anything about doing what's "right" and/or "fair." So why is it that you hold immigrants to a higher standard than what you would hold any british corporation?

Moreover, if the point is to make money then surely it is fine to higher the cheapest possible labour, legally or not, because it generates wealth right? because, as you stated, that's the point of business, simply to generate wealth.

I'll reiterate (say again:) my question, why should individuals not have the same freedom to generate personal wealth as your beloved global corps?


I dunno mate read this quote i took from him, does this sound like scum to you?


It sounds like he has a pretty good grasp of the situation to me.


And i encourage you to do so, but i also encourage you to advocate that British interests leave voluntarily or are booted out of any and every country where they are exploiting the human and natural resources, as the native taxpayers in those countries will never recoup their losses either.

Now, what the net result of such a deportation would be in Poland, i can only guess, but i sure as hell hope that it would be protests and riots until wages and salaries were more commensurate with corporate profit.

What exists at present is a continual westward migration of poorer workers from anywhere east of what's west. If there is to be a labour shortage in Poland or Russia, i'm placing bets that it will be filled by nonpoles as big co's are always looking to hire the cheapest they can. Even if immigrants were booted out, you'd have to ensure that a mass production flee didn't happen via outsourcing. I really feel that big business objectives have a stranglehold on government and that's the source of much of society's frustration.

News / Poland - Third World Country?? [300]

people saying poland is 3rd world? i wonder if they're the same people companies write to on the instructions for toasters: do not immerse in water while plugged in?

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


To help you along, when i write something that i'm not confident you'll grasp, i've decided to add the meaning in bold in parenthesis (the moon shaped things this is inbetween), ok? sometimes, i might even put in a smile face (:)) to show you i mean no harm.


believe in this, if wealth were the only measure of one's worth, it would be easier for any man to simply walk up to you, cut your throat and take what is yours than to work at all. obviously you nor i advocate such a reality, so it's clear that you perceived (that means understood) you were outclassed, so you took another swing at it and tried to console your ego with some chest thumping in the form of wallet touting (showing off:)

And i congratulate you on your efforts, consider this a counteroffensive (that means i'm swinging back) more effective and on the money than your attempt.

what i'm curious about though is how it is that you're so wealthy, yet you frequent with so many people living off the system. Hmmm, what sympathy i had for your plight has vanished as it is evident (which means clear ok:) you are becoming dimmer by the post or a liar (and not a very good one at that).


...the rest of your infantile post to contend with?
well it appears that exploitation can be made legal and therefore "acceptable" with a few pen strokes (and undoubtedly, money changing hands, but i freely admit this to be my assumption). The existence of street level crime you detailed doesn't invalidate that corporate crime exists and excasberates the social disorder that exists.

Legality doesn't equal ethicacy, uniforms don't equal peace, and clean suits don't make a crime less filthy.

ok, dismissed (you can go back) to your money game where you get to add up numbers and feel good about yourself, enjoy a biscuit too. it's on me ok?


interesting falkster; i've gathered his whole spiel seems to be that, because some fellows who were english had some success in various areas (armed conflict being one of them) at some point in history, that somehow validates his own place in his mind. very very interesting.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


yeah that's what i wasn't quite sure about either, but as i had no intentions of not working or staying beyond a year i just didn't investigate that. I hear officially the system is hard to abuse, but then i hear all these stories come out of the wood work. I ask myself,"Foreigner4, what are the odds all these people just making up bs stories?"

The odds can't be that great can they? However if it's a gov't run system with gov't workers then there's very good chances that the system is being abused. But to what extent i can only guess, and are those abuses even a drop in the bucket compared to what large corps don't pay or escape paying? anyway, i'm probably taking this in a direction that the thread starter didn't intend. But your post does shed light on the situation as regards my own understanding.

*edited for p!ss poor wording*

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


the beginning of the end of logic or reason even casting a dim light on your rant.


ahh yes a crash course on history, well by the looks of your post that's exactly what you've done. there's nothing to debate as it's clear your grasp of the world is very very limited and you're just not going to see the light even when shown to you.

but let's look at economics kiddo, how much do british firms rake in based on the expoitation of the 3rd world and developing world resources both natural and human? Now how much does the UK give in aid? Do you really think those 2 numbers are anywhere near eachother?


well that tells us a lot about where you get your news doesn't it? seems like you come from the land that can do no wrong.


Always with the most aggressive policies abroad-coincidence?


Well if this wouldn't have happened your magic crystal ball of alternate universes, oh please! Right mate, that's where you and your arguement lost any and all credibility. Fair enough, you shot from the hip, you missed your mark, better luck next time.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

i did, i paid my taxes and never claimed any back.

You may not have an arguement with me but until you address my points, then it appears you want nothing more than to live in a fantasy land of no taking without giving and profiting without sharing.

A good chunk of the wealth your country generates is got off exploiting resources abroad. you're fine with the money pouring in but not ok when people from abroad want to follow the money trail.

I actually agree with how you feel (happening in other ways to where i'm from) but i'd be hard pressed to defend your position without any concessions to the mitigating factors affecting the situation.


i see, well that arguement could be turned around easy enough: all non pole immigrants should go back to where they come, shouldn't they? i wonder how that would grab people.

cheers for that mate.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

hmmm, i think i'm taking it pretty easy but i'l check my pulse rpr-56bpm. ok i am officially taking it easy.
No you haven't quoted me out of context at all, in fact i didn't even respond in regards to my being quoted specifically.

I was just curious how you tied his response to my quote into an anti-migration position.

So, really, i am puzzled, please explain how you connected the two. Maybe there were some other posts you're referring to, otherwise i'm doubting my own ability to read the arguement here.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

how is the post you're quoting in any way advocating against emigration? recognizing the sadness of a no win situation isn't an arguement against anything is it? I am puzzled by this train of logic you're attempting to run here.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


no i'm sorry if you interpreted my challenge that way. What i meant to imply is that, the wealth of the nation you live in was not got by means completely devoid of exploitation of other nations and peoples. While you may have not contributed to this, you and yours certainly benefit from it. I could wonder how concerned you really are about the ethicacy of how the money that goes into the british economy is got? How concerned are you about the ethicacy and responsibility of british national corporations abroad?

I'm not saying you yourself are contributing to any unethical (read exploitation) abroad (except if you support the corporations responsible for it with your pocket book-one reason not to shop at ASDA), but if you're not equally dismayed and ready to do something about that then your position comes off as more than a little disingenuous.


well unless you're one of the people who actually played a key role in developing those things or contributed in some mighty way to the history of those events or are doing so now in some way then i'd say this is non-point and you really have nothing to be proud of as you've in no way influenced these things. agree to disagree.


well ask yourself why the english (in the past mind you, and not you personally) went abroad to lands where they considered the people "inferior?" It's the money stupid.


i whole heartedly agree with your sentiments but i'm not sure if whinging like a "really no need for that" on a message board will really solve your problem.


hmmm i looked it up and here's my source:
bp.com/multipleimagesection.do?categoryId=23&contentId=7017765

Bp in fact operates far beyond only the north sea, i retract my apology and stand by my initial querry but remain ready to admit any good points should you make one. But it does appear you need to flesh out your arguement more for me to do this.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

and that's it? if that is the sole source of any of bp's fortunes both past and present then i must humbly admit my glaring ignorance and apologize for that. However i still stand by the rest of my querries as honest questions in this matter.

*edited*

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

not to stir the pot here, but


any clue where the lovely isle of britain gained most of its wealth over the years?

How about BP? What oil reserves does britain have that this corporation has become so wealthy? How responsible are british corporations abroad? Do they adhere to environmental regulations and human rights standards of Britain while operating abroad.

You seem like a genuine guy, and I applaud your efforts and focus and wish you luck. I also hope you examine the big picture too.

Food / What's your favorite Polish beer? [870]


hmm thanks for that!

now i need to provide a work related excu... uh reason to go north

Food / What's your favorite Polish beer? [870]


What region would i have the most success in finding these?

I refuse to go to any tesco so that's out, but i'm really keen on trying these that you mentioned.

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]


seriously mate, that's a foreigner4 goes to jail for killing situation for me, how did he not end the other guy's life. I can't get it, the situation you just spelled out is a green light to end another man's days from my perspective.


That says a lot. I've been dealing with a lady from Warsaw for the past 2 weeks and the thing that struck me about her was how full of crap she is. I can only say that i get the distinct impression she is lying or acting each and every time we talk, and she is completely fluent in english (i mean completely)- maybe it's a warsaw thing?

The folks i'm close to are all dimes, and i'm glad i know them.


yeah that was my hunch but unless he gives any more info then we can't know for sure. Ahhh but that's when i should stop, we're on the intraweb, can we ever know for sure?

Food / What's your favorite Polish beer? [870]

am i the only one that thinks -ywiec is skunk beer?
Pilsner Urguel (czech no?)
Okocim Palone
Lech and Tyskie
Warka Strong
-all excellent beers. uhh zywiec-great pr but it's much better than the beer.


really? i've never come across it, but thank you sir, i have a new mission for sunday.

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]


well i guess i really can't argue with your experiences now can i. I am curious though and i hope you won't mind my asking where you stayed. hmmm, maybe i've just come to accept things, maybe i'm the one with blinders on, hmmmm.

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Puzzler posted some very good points, i am waiting for the reply.


i don't know about that one being only specific to poles. There's been some forum debates where i've been tenacious with my points. Now although I am right (of course right?), those people i was debating points with kept up their futile arguements. My point being that if i had been more diplomatic then my counterparts may have been less defensive. your experiences are largely your doing.

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

i'm wondering what cross section of polish people wroclaw boy is frequenting among and in which areas of the country. Maybe it's just the kind of people he does business with, or maybe there's something about him that inspires people to lie, perhaps. Let's all lie to wroclaw boy whether we are polish or not, perhaps he'll change his tune. Hey wroclaw boy, i'm a 3 time olympian bobsled champion!


great point!

Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

the arm was 3-4 years ago. aren't you embellishing the situation a lil bit though? I met a lot of poles who were really doing well with fairly decent (better than mine) jobs in London, at least one wonderful lady went from being a nurse in Poland to Ireland.

..engineers and doctors cleaning tesco floors.....hmmm, i know no facts but this seems a lil far fetched.

But yeah the avg salary is low in Poland

*edited "the arm"*