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eleanoroconner   
17 Dec 2008
Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

I think this is a time to be more accurate about TYPES of property. From this article:
mamdom.com/polandproperty-polands_property_market_-_no_need_to_panic.h tm

"the property bubble will not burst. In the UK, the residential mortgage debt to GDP ratio had reached 83% by the end of 2006 (the latest fi gures available from the European Mortgage Federation), while in Poland it had grown (albeit very rapidly from a low base) to 8.3%. Total outstanding mortgage lending in Poland €41 billion, compared to €1,584 billion in the UK"

"Many developers who have built expensive luxury apartments in prime city centre locations are left with unsold units, as the demand for this type of property among rich Poles had been overestimated."

In other words smaller apartments are still continuing to do well. The large numbers of unsold units are the big stuff that should never have been built. It will take a while for that to work through the system and while it does developers will not be starting new projects. The result will be a shortage of supply in future years which will cause prices to rise again. Nothing new - happens in the UK everytime prices drop.

When all is said and done having a look at this page:
oferty.net/statystyki/122008.php

There is not much here, for Warsaw anyway, to suggest prices are rising or falling. Seems this city is holding steady despite everyone assuming prices are falling due to oversupply.
eleanoroconner   
8 May 2008
Real Estate / Where to look on the internet for Poland Real Estate [112]

you would be very hard pushed to find a flat for as little as 10KGBP

Cobblers! - There's a place in Polska for you souljah! Here are three flats in Krakow of all places for under 45000 PLN!

dom.gratka.pl/mieszkania-sprzedam/lista/malopolskie,,30000,45000,on,on ,co,cd,tz,rp.html
eleanoroconner   
18 Jan 2008
Real Estate / Where to look on the internet for Poland Real Estate [112]

Where to look on the internet for Poland Real Estate

I thought it would be useful to gather up useful places on the web where there is information and or services so this thread can be referred to, and added to, in the future and obviously so we can argue and bicker about how good or bad they are!

So here is my 10 pence worth. If you are thinking about buying in Poland then for research I recommend the following:

PolishForums.com! - there are alot of time wasters and moaners but in between there are great gems from people with amazing experience. Just be careful - is the advice coming from someone who has experience to comment .....

Mamdom - good general info and live property listings in English but you have to pay.....
propertysecrets - some free articles and some that you have to pay to see but very good info from professionals who have been there, seen it, done it and bought the T shirt. The maths is sometimes a little shakey on the developments they sell. I haven't bought anything through them yet but never say never.

construction poland - lots of free articles about infrastructure developments in Poland that will obviously affect real estate prices in those areas
buyingpropertyinpoland.mamdom - this is really mamdom again but worth a separate mention as this is where you can buy the only sensible book I have found on Polish real estate

buyinghousepoland - this is a lovely little site. Interesting to read but limited in its scope
paiz.gov.pl - the English version of this site is bursting with facts and figures. Also check under "Polish Law" for info on buying Polish real estate

gratka - a property portal with tonnes on it. Only in Polish but trial and error clicking will get you there or use an online translator to learn the basic words like Domy means houses. It will give you an idea of what you can get for your money in different locations

inyourpocket - I love the way they write these guides. Real no-nonsense stuff about the country in general.

If you decide Poland is the place for you to buy then this is my advice and what I did:
1) Join Property Secrets - about 80 GBP
2) Join Mamdom - about 40 GBP
3) Buy the book from Mamdom - 20 GBP if you are a member
4) If you are spending serious amounts of money by a couple of PMR reports. I bought the one about the planned airports for 1,200 EUR and for me it was money well spent

5) If you want to buy something wierd like my 160,000 PLN house near Warsaw get Mamdom to find it for you. - I may be wrong but I don't know any other search agents in Poland who are not really just agents in disguise and chasing a commission.....

My philosophy goes like this when it comes to investment in anything: "Spend 1% of your budget educating yourself". Trying to buy for capital gain but not spend anything learning is a false economy and you'll end up taking pot luck and advice from agents who simply want to earn a bit of commission right now. Be very careful of taking advice in forums as well unless you know the person is qualified to tell you something - otherwise its like walking into a pub where people spout off just about anything.

What have I missed?