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Crucifixes should be replacedby the flag of the EU or pictures of the new EU president (atheist of course). New religion must be! Reformed Atheist Church of the EU.


This is how French socialists (whole political establishment) do, first they let civilizationally alien population and later they try to force them to assimilate. In the same time, native Christian population is forbidden to wear crucifixes. They simply taking away personal liberties, trying to solve old mistakes and in the same time they won t admit any past wrongdoings.


Actually, socialism this is perversity of XX century. Move on!

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Within all Europe and other civilizationally western states.


I support free movement of people within the area mentioned above and free trade worldwide. It doesn't mean that such traveller would automatically obtain citizenship of destination state.


Language and genes doesn't count, everything is about culture. If the world would become civilizationally homogeneous indeed then this would be reasonable to move forward with my proposals. However this is not the case and realistically it wont be the case for many centuries.


I would be naive if I would idealize monarchy. I might consider it to be superior to democracy but never free of pathologies. After all this is also human invention and human imperfection is well known.

I would say that monarchist managers are better than republican managers and both groups are far better than democratic managers. Monarchs usually offered high offices to very rich people, so rich that they did not need to bother about their future. Their position was unquestioned, they could concentrate on their duties. This is exactly proposal of Aristotle, nothing new. If they would fall into corruption their life could be threatened.

What about democracy? Democratic minister is very often relatively poor. They need to care about their pockets, think about it like all of us. This is why they are potentially far more keen to take bribes. As we all realize, currently death penalty is against so called secular religion of "human rights"and other penalties would not be severe as well. What they call prison today would be considered a luxury hotel not so long time ago.

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In my previous post I expressed willingness to accept immigration from culturally related states of Eastern Europe. Of course this would be profitable from European perspective to attract the brightest resources from other continents but I don't think that their homelands would be affected positively by such outcome.

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Why do people trade? Because this is unprofitable?

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People would come mostly to countries widely considered the most attractive. Native populations would be outnumbered.


You could ask "why should I be born in to such a privilege in rich family. " In the end this is what you mean. Differences exist in a local, state or continental scale. It will be always like that. If you wish to help people in third world then support free trade. It will help them to build decent states at home.

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Would your feelings have any consequences in your actions if you would have enough influence to change status quo?

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Yes but we discuss about immigration and not emigration. Do you as a citizen of Ireland (as I believe) would open Irish borders to immigrants from all over the world?


Similar relation can be observed in political bodies/institutions. Sir Cyril Parkinson wrote series of satires where he provided couple of examples from the UK.


To find one good manager and convince him to be loyal is a success. Big corporations employ plenty of managers. This is impossible to control all those people who mostly care about their particular interest. Even the best manager wont be equally committed as owner himself. Milton Friedman wrote that there are four ways to spend money.

1. You spend your own money on yourself (Owner)
2. You spend your own money on someone else (Owner)
3. You spend someone else's money on yourself (Manager)
4. You spend someone else's money on someone else (Manager)

You can guess who is more careful and less spendthrift...


To be clear, multiculturalism and multi-civilizationism are two different things. One civilization might consist from many cultures. This is quite easy to assimilate in culturally related country because common foundations exist.

Roman Empire is part of European heritage. Romans did conquer by force and often enforce their values on occupied cultures (Bratwurst Boy complain to this day! :). Anyway, Roman citizens did not live in multi-civilizational kettle. They were spread all over the empire.

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Monopoly can exist only when there is state protection. Otherwise inflexible big corporation is unable to dominate the market. When a company grow, it reach boundary when an owner is unable to control everything. He need to employ managers whom are not so committed and their loyalty is doubtful. Such company is more and more ineffective and smaller competition may successfully undermine position of leader. This is natural process and only state interference may lead to creation of monopoly. Let all these communist states serve as example. In today's socialist Europe with deal with cartels, where some big players in agreement with each other are privileged over the rest. This is middle way and this is still a pathology.


Do you support open borders policy?


Don't put everybody to one kettle. I oppose immigration from civilizationally alien areas. I'm all for movement from Eastern Europe. Why we always need to argue about Africans or Asians and tehir supposed rights to come here? In the same time right behind eastern border of Europe Belarusians, Ukrainians or Russians are almost banned. Apparently knights of PC consider those people to be too closely related to us to be allowed to live in their utopian multi-civilizational society. I ask why those people are axed?

One again the EU play a negative role here. This is because their policy movement on our eastern border reduced dramatically. Suddenly our partners were told to pay for some expensive visas if they wish to continue to travel or run a business in Poland and other new member states. Of course this backfired at Polish citizens who traded with them as well.


I'm sure that as a true man he need a time to acknowledge all facts and then he will admit myself to be right.

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Come on, this is much of fun to expose from time to time ignorance of some people posting here. If wiser posters wont ridicule their activity in the forum then they will simply post more and more BS. You are dis-encouraging factor for many. :)

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If you take EU parliament as an example, you should notice that nearly all MEPs hold very similar views. There is hardly any left or right. If supposed left, supposed right and supposed liberals jointly support project of European Constitution and refuse to debate with anybody who would be against, then I ask how this is possible?? Theoretically they should argue about shape of this document, I did not witness anything like that. All those people support socialist superstate because this is profitable for their personal interest. They are opportunists.

There are some small fractions with right or left learnings, to mention Scandinavian Greens or UKIP. The rest of company try to marginalize such forces. They control mayor media outlets, using state issued concessions for example.


I hope that you will do it without looking like big business's lapdog or apologist for political establishment. Difficult task... :)


Poland is and remain part of Europe, this is quite obvious. I simply refuse to accept the EU as a synonym of Europe. This is great usurpation of Brussels bureaucracy. While Poland's voting force will be weakened if president Klaus sign this treaty. I would not mind if this would bring positive consequences, however this will bring only more socialism, more central planning and more anti-conservative philosophy.


I never claimed that I believe that people will bring economic liberals to power. This is practically impossible. I share Aristotelian approach to democracy, I would be glad if this system would be replaced by more liberal monarchy. Unfortunately this would be like win in a lottery, in vast majority of cases democracy would be replaced by socialist dictatorship. Thus one must be cautious before advocating support for different kind of undemocratic forces. I consider myself to be political realist.

While I think that businessman should predict situation of the market if he wish to see big profits. Nobody force anybody to run any business, you can work in somebody else company. If you want bigger cash then take the risk, show some talent. This fair deal.

We discuss about immigration policy from Africa in particular. We hear so often how western world is willing to help Africa. This is all great scam where only western bureaucrats and African caciques profit. Instead to treat Africans like human trash and send them millions of condoms (to satisfy western 'condom business' and corrupt politicians) we could start to trade with them. This is the only way how the west could be really helpful to African people, everything else is hypocrisy.


Yes, this is stupid but natural that many people in Black district of the US will hate whites rather than Chinese.

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Your faith in open-mindedness of humankind is amazing. Perhaps I'm a bit cynical but at least more realistic.


One doesn't exclude another. Beside of that, this is just your opinion! :)


It is not relative, I claim that my (call it 'Eurocentric') viewpoint is the the most perfect one. I won't change my mind until somebody provide convincing argumentation.

By the way, why are you glad because of my Eurocentric viewpoint?



You just repeat popular false stereotypes. Neither the left is idealist or the right is all about money. This is just old leftist propaganda, however sound funny from somebody who declare opposition to this political agenda. Politicians and business that cooperate with them are bunch of hypocrites, they are neither leftist or rightist but totally opportunists.

Old style conspiracy theory about powerful free market forces is completely false. Supporters of free market consist tiny minority without any great financial backs.

Political establishment prefer socialism because this is extremely corrupt system when decisions are made by thousands of bureaucrats. The EU is so greatly over-regulated that this would be comical (allowed angle of bananas, etc) if we all would not be targeted by this policy.

This is much easier for great corporation to corrupt few relatively poor bureaucrats than compete on free market. State protection allow big corporations to be privileged over the rest. I bet that you have heard many times how governments saved/ regularly subsided/offered exemption from tax to big corporations. I also bet that you have never heard about such policy towards their smaller competition on a market. Socialism this is a system of big corporations. Free market this is a never ending battle where smaller fishes have many advantages over centrally managed corporations.

Democratic politicians on other hand are mostly cunning people of low morals. Without being in politics where they parasite on taxpayer's pockets they would archive nothing worth noticing. For this group contact with big corporations is priceless, this is the only chance to get some relatively big (on their standards) cash.

Those two groups need each other and together they need socialist state to realize their goals. On the free market big corporations must compete and politicians/bureaucrats cannot regulate market rules and earn cash out of it.

Please open your eyes!

As far as immigration from non western states is concentrated, European states should prevent those people from coming and trade with them without any protectionism. European consumers deserve more competition on the market.

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You cannot deny, so at least feel necessary to question my authority.


What is crazy about ethic that allow you to be open minded? Common sense allow people to make distinctions, those smarter even have ability to do it right, without being emotionally involved. What would be really dumb? To claim that all civilizations are equal. (in sense of summary of all kind of development) Neither wise, it would be to state that once the highest civilization must remain the highest forever.

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I can only join other posters here, speak for yourself.


Even if 'their' racism flourished from racist actions of some white individuals, this is still racism which should be condemned. It means simply that "their" reaction was not reasonable.


Wrong perspective. This is not characteristic for white people, this is characteristic for empires. Bigger or lesser empires were present since humankind started to form structures which resembled today's state. This is issue certainly beyond ethnic boundaries.



No, fortunately I don't. However I'm glad that you confirmed my logically consistent assumption that in ethnic districts racism is inevitable.


You put these words in my mouth. I never claimed that blacks are criminals in general. As a Catholic I reject and condemn racism. Whether this is white, black, yellow or semitic this doesn't matter. I stated that slogan "Black Power" is purely racist and I did not change my mind because of your rhetorical fallacy.

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Why don't you move for example one of these black districts of the US? They will show you this equality of Black Power, no doubt about it! Do you honestly believe what you write? How naive one could be! :)

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dichotomy! So how on earth? :)

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Statistic from PC handbook. So I must be an idiot to not notice that 10% of my family, school buddies on all levels, co-workers and people that I ever met are homosexuals. From my own observation it would be about 1% .


In the face of feminists!! :)


Some other civilizations (however not all) also had periods of greatness.


Lets simply agree to disagree when needed.


Why don't you start verify your utopian doctrines by travelling yourself to some African country and trying to live and love over there. As you know very well people over here have no intention to participate in your social experiments. If you want to convince them, you must leave.

I'm disappointed by your refusal to recognize Bahaism as a religious version of Marxism. I should be thanked that I show you something that you failed to notice before. Be a man and deal with it instead write the same empty slogans over and over.


We can say that Catholicism practically New Testament. What you find not applicable in it? If not the Catholic Church Europeans could not stand up from barbarity that they were trapped after collapse of Roman Empire.


Here I disagree, they should be treated better than other animals. In the long run their civilization have a chance to be improved. There is also chance that they will absorb western style of life (hopefully without its weaknesses). So, higher civilization should serve as an example.

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You come out with the strongest argumentation then I need to surrender... You win, enjoy. :)


Oh my goodness, you exposed me completely, my ass is shaking when I hear about him. :(

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Judaism as we know (or don't know:) ) today and Christianity evolved from the same Mosaic beliefs into very different religions. You could claim that Christians were sect originated from these beliefs. They were considered like that at that time for sure. But in the meantime gained proper position while original beliefs almost vanished. Of course we can talk about Protestant sects but for example Eastern Orthodoxy is not considered as such duo to historical developments that leads to this schism.


Open one yourself, you still need to reply on each every point that I made about Bahaism looking like variation of Marxism.


This is clearly religious variation of Marxism. How could you defend their social goals?

Of course communist establishment in the Soviet Union most likely targeted them, they were anti-religion in general until WWII started when Stalin ordered to use Eastern Christianity as a state controlled tool to unite people. Soviet establishment also targeted all kind of variations of communism incompatible with their own vision. Look at followers of Trotsky or Maoists. In your own homeland communists from outside of establishment (young Michnik, Kuron or Modzelewski) were often imprisoned.


I can assure you that I do not edit definitions from FreeOnlineDictionary :)


No I did not provide any details of their relationship. If you claim that they never talked about Islam (as a permanent observer of their relationship, I assume again :) ), I can hardly believe... If your friend was so impressed by behaviour of Muslim guy, he would most likely start such discussion. Beside of that if you would re-read my previous post, you would find out that I did left some margin, that my assumption might be wrong.

I second your notes about mass immigration from so called 'third world'. Such position can be defended from liberal perspective, because we are dealing with forced integration.


One of the supposed policies (the one that I would praise) of Bahaism is agreement between religion and science. Why don't you follow this rule? Humankind is the most perfect form of life on earth but still belong to animals.

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Very bureaucratic attitude. :) There is no need anybody must define Bahaism as a sect. Bahaism simply fits perfectly into definition of a sect. While every sect is a religion, the first doesn't exclude the second.

But if you need to see somebody stating the obvious, here you have....

thefreedictionary.com/Baha%27ism
the doctrines and practices of a sectgrowing out of Babism and reflecting some attitudes of the Islamic Shi'a sect, but with an emphasis on tolerance and the essential worth of all religions.


Everybody who read political section know my views on socialism/communism. I criticize it very often so I don't think that I need explain myself more seeing similar ideas in Bahaism.

Global governmentthis is road towards central planning. Need I really explain why this is bad? Your own homeland faced such problems on much lesser scale.

Elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty? I do understand wish to improve life of the poorest people but why to target the richest? For fun? This is the worst form of egalitarianism!

Universal compulsory education In socialism everything is compulsory and standardized by all knowing state bureaucrats.

Unity of religion Religion often preach for different things so unity is impossible and would be very confusing for average people. One could become dominant but this is something else. Very artificial concept.

gender equality This is clearly blame men scenario here. Political correctness often reject biological differences that affect our capabilities in different matters.

An international auxiliary language I already feel in my bones this policy of government interventionism forcing us to learn artificial politically correct language that we don't need to know.

Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics Obedience to government? Simply disgusting concept!

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It is a sect, by definition.


Perhaps they think that they preach for all good things. I read article from wikipedia and I would question goodness of many points of their doctrine.


It has many common goals with Marxism.


Of course I may be wrong but I doubt it. I understand that neither you witnessed how it happened. While your friend bothered to explain Islamic doctrine. He could be surprised that this guy converted but this doesn't means that he excluded such outcome from the start. A believer who talk about his own doctrine always try to show it in the best light to attract non-believers. It is absolutely logical.


Your assumption that in my post I was attacking Muslims is completely wrong. Actually this is other way around. I praised this attitude of your friend and even wrote that I feel pity that Christians behave different (passively) as far as this aspect is concentrated.

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This strange sect seems to affect your views very much. They may preach for religious syncretism, multi-civilizationism, global government or religious version of Marxism but this is all theoretical utopia.

People civilized on different ways cannot coexist peacefully living arm to arm, deal with it. Neither they should be completely isolated. They should trade and cooperate with each other because this is mutually profitable. Healthy relationship demands lack of chauvinism but forced integration only encourage hate. Less personal contact means less of chauvinism. Of course this claim is valid only if at least two group of people are civilized on different ways. If people are culturally close, this is other way around, more personal contacts, less chauvinism.


A pity that this person never bothered to study doctrine of his own original faith. This is the only way how could anybody find Islam morally superior...

Anyway, this says something about Islam, even moderate Muslim as you say don't waste an opportunity to convert non-Muslim person. This attitude is so missing in today's Europe among Christians.

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In a normal society when immigrants would be known from raping girls and police would be unable to solve this problem, initiative would be born from the bottom. Group of native boys would solve them problem the best they could, some immigrants could be unjustly attacked but in the end local culture would survive. In a socialist state, the state is the only hope.

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Naive immigration policy is not the worst fault of socialism. The worst thing is that local societies are unable to defend themselves, they are so used to expect help from government that nothing can save them in longer run.


Yes, but they see it otherwise and he was aware of it from the beginning.

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If you would analyse voting records of legislations concentrating on immigration policy in different states with large Muslim minority, you would find out that this is job of the left. In Scandinavian states there is hardly any right-wing party in mainstream politics. I recently read about elections in Norway and all elected were socialists, communists and greens... By the way, my condolences to all sane Norwegian people :)


This is is something else, he entered their territory and was aware of such threat. He got invader treatment. Such a civilization...

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Euro-left so keen to let Muslim in, in the same time target Christians. Those are riders without head, because if radical Muslims would ever gain the power in Europe, they would be the first on the list to behead! :)

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I propose to sign agreement with Russia. Over there in Siberia is tradition of labour camps. It would apply to all native serious criminals as well.


This is nonsense. How to solve the "problem" with polish Tatars?

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You remind me those Poles who claim that Bereza Kartuska was not a concentration camp. Neither you or them respect widely recognized definitions.

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It is neither only about nations. They targeted particular group of people on territory that they planned to absorb, according to their nationality and social status.

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Yes, exactly! Many people tend to change the meaning of words to make it compatible with their wishes.

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Really? So I have good news for German (for example) National Socialist crowds. They can throw all 60k Sorbs living in this planet to death camps and still nobody could claim that they committed genocide.