History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]


I read this list, and most of companiest there have nothing to do with eastern Germany. Most have been build in 1980's and just build one of their factories/centers in eastern Germany but their headquaters and stake holders are from other places. Of course it is better than nothing and maybe some new companies will develope in result of cooperation (we do the same in Poland) but still (...)Most of companies on the list have been developed before any easter German could have private company.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]


It wasn't to you. :)


I’ve been thinking a lot about influence of communism on countries economies. The best examples I can find in Asia. Chinese people live on Taiwan and in China. Systems they had in the past had enormous influence on their current GDP per capita.

As to leadership I just wanted to say that sometimes some people take it as given forever. I am not suggesting Asia at this moment but I find there many interesting examples of what Poland lost during communism and what it has to regain.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]


When we compare GDP per capita of Taiwan and China we will see what China lost during such long time of communism. As long as Chinese people are living on Taiwan but they had different economical system (anticommunist Chinese moved on this island).

The same goes to Poland which in some way is in Chinese situation.

As for you Taiwan is west Germany and China is like eastern Germany. (as for GDP per capita)

North Korea and South Korea are very interesting exaples as well.


Germans make big profits in Poland. There was kind of agreement that we let German and other European companies enter Polish market and you support our development.


It means what it means and we all should think about this sentence and take it seriously when it comes to situation outside the europe. and in some cases inside of europe.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]


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History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Nothing wrong with your data. From the other hand Poland before the war wasn’t the most developed country in Europe but was richer than some countries which are today considered as “old EU” and our aim is to regain our position. It seems we are going to regain our position but it will be harder.

As to Germany, it is more than clear than the eastern lands of current Germany were much richer in the past in comparison to many European regions. I have heard that eastern German “state companies” were sold and somehow nobody build nothing enormously big there from the basics.

Polish business was able to build some nice quite big international companies.

We are going to see what will happen in the future but leadership hasn’t been given forever.

As our negihbour you should wish us luck, all in all it is better to have rich Polish neighbours.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]


Personally I prefere to watch different games like volleyball or handball.


I know what you are trying to suggest. In some way Poland without strong private sector had harder competition with developed companies which entered our market.

In many cases some Poles who emigrated long time ago participated in this economical colonization of Poland after the end of communism.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romain_Zaleski

5th of the richest French citizens who opens banks in Poland his family left Poland just after the end of war. He became rich when we had communism and Poles had no opportunity to develope international Polish companies. If he had stayed in Poland he would be poor in 1989 and without capital.

Eastern Germany is in simmilar situation, even financial help after reunion couldn't give back the time when others build up the international companies. From the other hand it seems that on many fields Polish capital is being stronger and stronger and Germans buy more and more Polish products as we buy more and more european products.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

You misunderstood me, I meant that when you will run out of money then you are going to hear more such statements from different European countries. As for me richer Germany is better for Poland because all in all we are neighbors and trade partners but honestly saying Germany in Polish eyes isn't what it was few years ago.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]


Last time Polish females are weaker than males.


They take your Euro and everybody knows that it is Polish blood. When your Euro will end ...

'The Nazis took our gold, they should at least thank us': Greek deputy PM's extraordinary attack on Germany over debt crisis

dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253416/Greece-accuses-Germany-wrecking-economy-Nazi-occupation-debt-ridden-nation-hit-strikes.html

It is good you are proud of them ;-)

BB the truth is that you buy europes symphaty.


;-)
Poles Revive East German Town

themoscowtimes.com/business/article/poles-revive-east-germa n-town/361711.html

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

BB

Football last time isn’t our strongest point but in many other sports we are stronger than ever.

Anny way it is good that when you see Polish flag in Wroclaw you think about football, good boy you make progress.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]


BB

I have nice picture for you.

Random (google) picture with Polish flag made in Wrocław

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Media Watch.

In my opinion Germans in different ways see their aims and the way to achieve them.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Germans from more than 100 years are being beaten by everybody. Always at the beginning they looked like arrogant bratwurst and at the end their country looked like (...)

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Nathan the problem is that you even don’t represent views of modern Ukrainians. You talk like Ukrainian from our neighborhood what means small part of western Ukraine.

Let’s begin from movements of Ukrainian history you mention as main stream.

You talk about Cossacks but you don’t mention that Cossacks live in eastern Ukraine and they call you lovely UPA lunatic fascist organization. I could continue this but all in all in don’t want to take your dignity from you. Honestly saying Polish children from Lwów beaten your army.

Poland was able to make one million soldiers army and beat Soviets and Ukrainians this time had many small formations fighting for different aims.

As for your stories about history I think that you should start to talk to your countryman, tell them story of great Ukraine and make one vision of this country.

I heard that some politicians in your parliament recite poems which sound more or less like:

“It is not the time to serve for Russians and Poles (…)”

I agree, definitely it is not the time to serve and everything is (like always) in Ukrainian hands. Europe wants claim. If you don’t care nobody will care. Now is the time for test of your determination and some historical claims.

War we debate about was glourious for Poland but wasn't glourious for Ukraine. Now you have much more freindly enviroment than it was 100 years ago. It is enought to make some smart moves without single shot.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947

To begin with this quotation, it is sure that everybody can find disadvantages of democracy. It is true that nowadays this form of government is in noticeable crisis.

Comic Party Wins Iceland Election

I hope that democracy is going to push aside politicians who should rather be called populists. Iceland made sign for their politicians and there are many such signs on earth ;-)

As for the 3rd may constitution it isn’t Polish fault that neighbors invaded Poland when they saw some modern reforms in country they wanted co conquer.

See you, in up coming days. I need to train my English skills so (...) :)

Goodnight

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Sokrates we can agree that there are so many events in Polish history which can be called glorious (…)

Even if we avoid battlefields and look in different direction there we can find something interesting: like first European modern constitution, some experiments with kind of democracy at early age of “Rzeczpospolita” and so one.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

thx...

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

When we talk about modern Ukraine, I hold my thumbs for as independent, as unified Ukraine as it is possible.
From the other hand, it seems we have different views on some events in the past.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Harry Ukraine had bigger population than Poland, and Ukrainians gave Poland in war against Soviets few thousands soldiers. Poland in comparison with smaller population mobilized about one million soldiers. So maybe there was kind of betrayal in case of Pilsudski and Petlura, but it can’t be said that Poland left Ukraine alone in struggle against Soviet Union. It can’t be said because movement we debate about as betrayed had no support on Ukraine. It is not Polish fault that Ukrainians didn’t fight for their independence. Many of them supported “Denekin” who rejected Polish independence and had seen Poland as part of Russian empire many of them were on Soviet side and openly fought agianst Poland.

For Poles who mobilized strong army with clear aims and won the war it is glorious event.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Nathan Polish Ukrainian war is complicated issue but as far as I know you fought against the children in Lwów.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lwów_Eaglets

"Lwów Eaglets (Polish: Orlęta Lwowskie) is a term of affection applied to the Polish child soldiers who defended the city of Lviv (Polish: Lwów, German: Lemberg) in Eastern Galicia, during the Polish-Ukrainian War (1918-1919)."

Later most of Ukrainians were on Soviet side, it is enough to see current Ukrainian polices to believe that it was possible. Honestly saying Ukrainian problem was that most of them didn't care, some were on Soviet side, some were on Polish side, some fought against everybody.

In my opinion Ukrainians made mistake, if there was massive support of Ukrainians for Poland in war against Soviets ... then Ukraine would be independent but Lwów would be in Poland. It is Ukrainian problem that some of your people feel more Russian, some don't want independence, some prefer Poland.

What is more Nathan, some people here like to show that some Polish victories weren't "pure" Polish but in case of 1920 war much more Ukrainians fought against Poland than on Polish side, and what will be hard for Ukrianian nationalists ... many didn't fight for independent Ukraine.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

What I want to add in many times discussed 1920 war, Poland fought for IT’S independence. More or less smashing majority of Poles supported Poland in war against the Soviets. What can’t be said about Ukrainians where from the beginning many of them didn’t want independence and only tinny forces were with Poles. Anny way Poland saved Europe from communism and gave itself 20 years of independence.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Harry

The problem is that you represent strange stance in some cases, I would say that you look like unconscious follower of agenda made on that meeting.

As to 1920, Poland fought on many fronts, on west Poland fought for its border, on east Poland fought against Soviets. It was new state, regaining independence after 100 years of occupation. For most of the Poles 1920 is glorious event. In my opinion, for foreigner fact that little Poland was able to beat Soviet Union may look interesting.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Harry, do you hear me? Meeting which took place in 70’s in Israel embassy is well known in Poland. Some Jewish historians also say that stories about it are true. It suggests that we should look on some researches and books with different stance. What is more it seems that Polish (in this case volunteer) secret services are one of the best on the world.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

Harry you should better tell me why all British historicians with Jewish roots in 70's decided after meeting in Israel embassy decided that in their books Poles should be shown as collaborators or passive viewers of Holocaust.

Last time some of people who participated in this meeting talks about it and are sorry for that.

Norman Davies in an interview said that in the '70s came to London known historian Yehuda Bauer of the Holocaust . Israeli Embassy organized a meeting with him , which invited all historians of Jewish origin living in England. Davies got there thanks to the knowledge of Polonskym . I was shocked . Bauer presented for instruction, how to write about World War II. Firstly, the suffering of the Jews should be excluded from the fate of other nations. Secondly, people should be divided into three categories. Executioners , staring blankly and sacrifice. Kaci is " the Nazis and their collaborators ," looking from the side Poles and Jews were the victims , of course . At any nuance has no place.

They are sorry because they false Polish history. They are sorry because they false Polish history. Maybe you haven't realized that some facts are becoming well known, and you represent stand of people who decided that history has to look "like that" despite the facts. You spread anti-Semitism.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

During this war more Ukrainians fought on Soviet side as the volunteers than on Polish side. I wouldn’t call it back stab in Ukrainian back. Ukrainian forces fightng on Polish side were tinny.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]

In my opinion, 1920 war looks good. Poland won war against whole Soviet Union and stopped red march on Europe. It seems to be the most glorious event in 20 century.

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]

So Blue eyes are more common than blond hair in Poland. I am good example. I have blue eyes and dark hair.

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]

Dear guest :)))) I am not deffending my whiteness but there is simple fact DNA researches say something much different.

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]

Oh yes now we are going to see seriess of posts written by guests about mongol, gipsy or other roots LOL ...

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [516]

It is sure why they build nord stream.

New Yalta

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

I am just after "Snow" by Orhan Pamuk. Very interesting book of Turkish author. Says a lot about Turkey.