News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

I think the educated middle class do support them, Western economies are tired and need a green industrial revolution to revitalise them, the Green protesters are helping to convince people to get with the program.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

Yeah I see your point I just think this new green industrial revolution needs a bit of a jump start and once it gets going it will really take off and governments can then back off a little bit, there is a lot of work to be done, a lot of new businesses to be created.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

Tbh mate, I think the transgender ideology is more symptomatic of the West standing still for too long thinking we'd cracked it. Turns out we hadn't. Time to get back to work, the American right needs to get fully on board with this, if for no other reason that it will create proper solid industry.

News / Poland overtakes Taiwan and the Netherlands... [17]

Down with PiS!!

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

When is Donald planning a march against Russia invading Ukraine? I'll sign up to that one.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian people dying and a march showing solidarity with them is considered to be pointless by posters here.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I just think the march at the weekend was bad judgement from Tusk. The energy could have been better spent supporting Ukraine, rather than attacking PiS which will just play into Putin's hands.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

The help provided to Ukraine is under PiS's leadership. This march organised by Tusk sends the message to Ukraine that Poland are more interested in squabbling amongst themselves than helping Ukraine and given the upcoming counter offensive I think it was exceptionally bad timing from Tusk. I just think it was a genuinely bad decision, it makes him look like he lives in la la land, completely unaware of seismic events happening across the border.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

@Paulina, you are underestimating this 'war over your border'.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

No need for personal attacks, I'm just telling you how I perceived the march at the weekend, I thought it was embarrassing for Poland.

And its great that Poland took in refugees, but you are talking as if Poland already did everything and can now feel proud. The war is still raging, soldiers are still dying and Poles are marching through the streets completely oblivious.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I think the war is by far and away the biggest political factor facing Poland, do you disagree with this? Tusk clearly does.

Imagine a Ukranian soldier seeing that march, they would think the world has forgotten about them, and the reason they would think that is because every single person on that march yesterday has!

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

Apologies for addressing your dear leader as just Tusk, I will refer to him as Premier Tusk from now on, apologies.

And I think it is more of an issue for Poland compared to other countries given how close it is.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

''this march has shown to everyone that Poles care about democracy in their country. This is really strange that you have a problem with that.''

I think this is quite revealing, you believe that you can control how your message is perceived by others. To me the march showed that Poles and 'Premier Tusk' have their heads in the sand with regards to Ukraine, and if it appears that way to me it wil appear that way to others aswell.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I'm just telling you this so you can help Premier Tusk with his PR. Take it or leave it.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I don't rely on commentators to make my mind up about things, I stopped listening to them when they all started saying the same thing.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong about things, like I said I'm just telling you how I perceived it, I'm not saying my way of perceiving it is right. It is a warning to our dear leader Premier Tusk and his magnificent sidekick (can't spell his name).

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I'm a PiS supporter but also think it's healthy to have a strong opposition, so would prefer if Premier Tusk would act a bit more responsibly, given the critical time.

If I'm a Russian supporter seeing this march, it would give me heart seeing that Ukraine's main ally is divided.

Arrogant bs to assume that others might think the same?? I'm not saying everybody will think the same, but surely there will be a least a few others? I'm not such a unique thinker.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

The heir of communism is secular humanism, Premier Tusk's religion.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

That's a good point @jon357 about secular humanism being simple human nature I tend to agree. The comparison I was making with communism, is that secular humanism is atheist and that is also the defining feature of communism, hence the fundamentals are the same and so I think it will develop on a similar path.

So I'm a troll or a very young idiot for suggesting that Premier Tusk (and his supporters) are perhaps focusing too much on undermining the Polish government and are underestimating the severity of things happening in Ukraine and maybe taking Western support for granted too much? This is my view, it differs from yours, if offering an alternative view to yours makes me a troll then so be it.

The language you use is so strong, witch-hunting, incompetence, corruption, personal vendettas, you are just spewing judgement and hate. Nobody is perfect ffs. PiS are doing an ok job considering the scale of the opposition.

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

You can take our abortion rights, and our rights to call men women and women men and whatever else, but you can never take...OUR FREEDOM!

Is Donald Tusk Poland's answer to William Wallace I wonder?

History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

There's 10000s of people without drinking water in Ukraine, but don't worry Donald Tusk is organising another march for freedom as we speak! The real enemy is actually PiS you know. Does he even realise there is a war on? Or is his obsession with PiS so deep that he hasn't actually noticed.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

"Full democracies are nations where civil liberties and fundamental political freedoms are not only respected but also reinforced by a political culture conducive to the thriving of democratic principles. These nations have a valid system of governmental checks and balances, an independent judiciary whose decisions are enforced, governments that function adequately, and diverse and independent media. These nations have only limited problems in democratic functioning."

So a democracy is a country that is ruled by an unelected independent judiciary?

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

'National Socialism wasn't Socialist'

You can try and distance yourself from this, but the fact that it had socialism in the title is pretty damning, Rebecca Long Bailey at the last election even called for a kind of national socialism without realising what she had said.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/there-no-contradiction-between-patriotism-and-socialism

Sorry you are right, it was 'progressive patriotism'. I think it was the spectator that interpreted this as another phrase for national socialism hence my mistake.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

'To a point since there was of course a gap of over two millennia.'

You genuinely hate the Church don't you, just like a true socialist.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

For two exact millennia? lol, you utter twat.

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

'But there's been, there is and there will be plenty of Christians not acting very Christian. And are plenty of non-Christians who are acting "Christian". Do you understand what I mean?'

You clearly have distanced yourself a long way from the Church, what makes you think you can judge what is Christian behaviour and what is not?

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

- do you support turning off the internet? could be a good one to add in aswell

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

'An honourable country abides by international treaties and agreements which they voluntarily sign'

What you are suggesting is simple cowardice and is not honourable in the slightest. The conditions under which those treaties were signed have changed, radically.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1064]

'bullying or demanding or sulking like an angry child'

There you go again with this inflammatory rhetoric, it really is quite frightening how much you denigrate PiS.

PiS are going about their business in a very cool, calm, collected way and are simply saying, we really think this will be bad for the future of the people of Poland and we can't accept. Maybe they will be proved right, maybe they will be proved wrong, but they are going with what they genuinely believe is best for Poland. Are you seriously suggesting that PiS are bullying the EU??