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17 Jun 2022
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17 Jun 2022
News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades [14928]
Do they lose their jobs over calling women with dicks men as it happens in the USA all the time?
Rather then mock someone about whom you know very little and who is at war with Russia, you should work on improving your toxic character.
Only looser, jealus looser attack people like that for no reason.
There are all kinds like everywhere. What it is to you?
Polish 155 mm guns had been used against Russian and have been very helpuf. Good!
where people are imprisoned by a pakistani prosecutor over "mean posts and memes."
Do they lose their jobs over calling women with dicks men as it happens in the USA all the time?
Rather then mock someone about whom you know very little and who is at war with Russia, you should work on improving your toxic character.
Only looser, jealus looser attack people like that for no reason.
you also have these kind of "Ukrainian refugees"
There are all kinds like everywhere. What it is to you?
Polish 155 mm guns had been used against Russian and have been very helpuf. Good!
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17 Jun 2022
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16 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
Stop with your talking points> ? Your Brehon laws do not make a modern nation. It makes you one of many people during this time in the history of Europe that prefered to be a separete identiy, some are now part of a bigger country some are separete nations and some do not exist today. That was a complex process and vieving it by the modern lences of a modern nation only prove my point!
look give up some things are not for evreyone - you struggle - don't - just give up.
Read our history and you'll know what.
Stop with your talking points> ? Your Brehon laws do not make a modern nation. It makes you one of many people during this time in the history of Europe that prefered to be a separete identiy, some are now part of a bigger country some are separete nations and some do not exist today. That was a complex process and vieving it by the modern lences of a modern nation only prove my point!
look give up some things are not for evreyone - you struggle - don't - just give up.
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16 Jun 2022
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16 Jun 2022
News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades [14928]
Nobody elected you to those talk, just get nukes and nuke them!
Good idea. Will you bugger off from Ukrianie then? If not cut the crap!
LOL!
These peace talks
Nobody elected you to those talk, just get nukes and nuke them!
for people to stop dying and for trade between nations to resume?
Good idea. Will you bugger off from Ukrianie then? If not cut the crap!
Russia is after all, a democratic state
LOL!
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16 Jun 2022
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16 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
So what? Burgundy, Bretania all were at war with France or a war of rebelion and so on. That only genral prattle there alway was some reason or other.
We engaged in centuries of armed struggle against the English.
So what? Burgundy, Bretania all were at war with France or a war of rebelion and so on. That only genral prattle there alway was some reason or other.
Cojestdocholery
16 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
You haven't learn anything. Ireland is not an exception and it has nothing to do with reading about Irish history. There is that general pattern when it comes to the creation of the modern nationalism and that pattern is the same or close enough to the pattern that spread across Europe. History is rewriten and reshaped often enought. It can't be seen as a holy writ.
In fact your last sentence is a proof that you don't understand what I'm talking about. It is better to ask questions rather then preach. If you want to know ask questions if you don't want to know - stop posting unrelated stuff.
Oh, so other nations didn't? What are you trying to say? What you saying is in fact copyright of the pattern of the modern nationalists - about continuity of people, nations, cultures and so on. It is it stable diet. What you say is what is being said for the last 200 years it doesn't mean that much. I don't say it is worng but it is not the whole truth.
It is a question of perspective, if you want to see and find something you will find it, some items and facts are blown out of the proportion or their meaning distorted by an interpretation, other that would contradict certain narrative are either left out out or it signifance diminished.
I'm not saying those all are fairly stories but you need to be careful what you read into it. The way people had seen themsleves in the past often is overlooked and read in the same way they see themselves at the present. Which is an incorrect perspective.
The problem is not simplicity but complexity.
You haven't learn anything. Ireland is not an exception and it has nothing to do with reading about Irish history. There is that general pattern when it comes to the creation of the modern nationalism and that pattern is the same or close enough to the pattern that spread across Europe. History is rewriten and reshaped often enought. It can't be seen as a holy writ.
In fact your last sentence is a proof that you don't understand what I'm talking about. It is better to ask questions rather then preach. If you want to know ask questions if you don't want to know - stop posting unrelated stuff.
Ireland was a distinct country.
Oh, so other nations didn't? What are you trying to say? What you saying is in fact copyright of the pattern of the modern nationalists - about continuity of people, nations, cultures and so on. It is it stable diet. What you say is what is being said for the last 200 years it doesn't mean that much. I don't say it is worng but it is not the whole truth.
It is a question of perspective, if you want to see and find something you will find it, some items and facts are blown out of the proportion or their meaning distorted by an interpretation, other that would contradict certain narrative are either left out out or it signifance diminished.
I'm not saying those all are fairly stories but you need to be careful what you read into it. The way people had seen themsleves in the past often is overlooked and read in the same way they see themselves at the present. Which is an incorrect perspective.
Cojestdocholery
16 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
Wow that is all sorted then. I'm sure that even in the 7th century they were voting Sinn Fein, sing Irish anthem and supported Celtic.
School history books make it simple for simple minded and you seem to fit well into that category. So have your way I don't really care that much about your perception. lol!
references to hurling are found in 7th and 8th century AD Irish laws
Wow that is all sorted then. I'm sure that even in the 7th century they were voting Sinn Fein, sing Irish anthem and supported Celtic.
School history books make it simple for simple minded and you seem to fit well into that category. So have your way I don't really care that much about your perception. lol!
Cojestdocholery
16 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
Why? Because your history books in a high school told you so? You know that those are rubbish as in a form or propagda?
That is a typical myth buliding exercise, that this or that and spin a tale about continuity. What is now was always there. That is a nonsense. If you pick on commonalities and similarities you could theoretically conctruct exsistance of European nation.
Look those nations which were without a state during the 19th century has even stronger claims to continuity that those which can fall back onto their statehood or a dynasty.
All you see as your national stuff and the way you see yourslef stared in the 1790'. Yes they bulided on prexisting cultural, human, historical base but if you ever talk to say 16th century not to mention 12th century 'irshman' you would find it that you have little in common.
You're absolutely wrong.
Why? Because your history books in a high school told you so? You know that those are rubbish as in a form or propagda?
Actually music is at the very heart of Irishness.
playing hurling
That is a typical myth buliding exercise, that this or that and spin a tale about continuity. What is now was always there. That is a nonsense. If you pick on commonalities and similarities you could theoretically conctruct exsistance of European nation.
Look those nations which were without a state during the 19th century has even stronger claims to continuity that those which can fall back onto their statehood or a dynasty.
All you see as your national stuff and the way you see yourslef stared in the 1790'. Yes they bulided on prexisting cultural, human, historical base but if you ever talk to say 16th century not to mention 12th century 'irshman' you would find it that you have little in common.
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16 Jun 2022
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15 Jun 2022
News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades [14928]
lol! they are the same like Putin, at last 90% of them.
Average Russians are simple, kind, and generous people. Least of all they want war.
lol! they are the same like Putin, at last 90% of them.
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15 Jun 2022
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15 Jun 2022
News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades [14928]
Lev Sochkov shoot himslef or somebody helped him. Doesn't go well for Russia.
Admit what? You can't get one thing into your head. It is a war and you can't say anything about who is going to loose or who is going to win or how this will end. Only dimwits know it all.
Lev Sochkov shoot himslef or somebody helped him. Doesn't go well for Russia.
Well at least you admit it.
Admit what? You can't get one thing into your head. It is a war and you can't say anything about who is going to loose or who is going to win or how this will end. Only dimwits know it all.
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15 Jun 2022
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15 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
Not much of the goings on in Ireland would affect Poland. Not a thing I would say unless we talk about Poles living there. Apart from that issue, I don't see any Ireland policies that would affect Poland.
Is not the same as the modern nation. Once we put legends and myths aside it is clear that a modern sense of national identity means something else than same tales, dancing jig rather then waltz did not make a dancer an Irish that think, act and feel in the same way as a modern Irish nationalist. The litterature on the subject is out there.
I said it about pagan Ireland and I insist that what I claim is a fact. What you claim is only your Irish legend.
Every country has the same legend about the past.
ow Sinn Fein's success in the elections would affect Poland, which is, not at all - not in my opinion anyway.
Not much of the goings on in Ireland would affect Poland. Not a thing I would say unless we talk about Poles living there. Apart from that issue, I don't see any Ireland policies that would affect Poland.
The sense of Irishness
Is not the same as the modern nation. Once we put legends and myths aside it is clear that a modern sense of national identity means something else than same tales, dancing jig rather then waltz did not make a dancer an Irish that think, act and feel in the same way as a modern Irish nationalist. The litterature on the subject is out there.
What you said was that Ireland was a tribal society and didn't have a sense of a single national identity
I said it about pagan Ireland and I insist that what I claim is a fact. What you claim is only your Irish legend.
Every country has the same legend about the past.
Cojestdocholery
15 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
No, the thing is you don't pay attention and try to show off with a little that you know. I said that one island one nation concept is political, there is no general principle that states that on an island can be or should be only one nation or a state.
I never denied that Ireland is a country or a nation. You should have said it first before going into argument for argument sake just because you didn't like what you thought that I had said.
You can doubt all you want. Many peasants at the time around 1500 could read and write.
You know better than I. OK my honest reaction on what you wrote there was like : WTF is he trying to pull!?
It is a country, despite you trying to pretend that it isn't
No, the thing is you don't pay attention and try to show off with a little that you know. I said that one island one nation concept is political, there is no general principle that states that on an island can be or should be only one nation or a state.
I never denied that Ireland is a country or a nation. You should have said it first before going into argument for argument sake just because you didn't like what you thought that I had said.
I doubt the majority of the peasantry
You can doubt all you want. Many peasants at the time around 1500 could read and write.
No, you weren't.
You know better than I. OK my honest reaction on what you wrote there was like : WTF is he trying to pull!?
Cojestdocholery
15 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
I was being honest. I never met anyone who would say they want to be this or that, I think you made it up or confuse it with something else.
look, you don't know what you talking about, some form of self-indetification exsisted in the middleages, in Poland as well and they were writting in latin about natio and attachment to this or that land and people, kingdom.
I'm talking about modern concept of a nation and that started in the 18th century, before you had something else. Just read on this some.
You were being argumentative.
I was being honest. I never met anyone who would say they want to be this or that, I think you made it up or confuse it with something else.
Much longer than that and with a particularly rich corpus of literature to prove it.
look, you don't know what you talking about, some form of self-indetification exsisted in the middleages, in Poland as well and they were writting in latin about natio and attachment to this or that land and people, kingdom.
I'm talking about modern concept of a nation and that started in the 18th century, before you had something else. Just read on this some.
Cojestdocholery
15 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
I was being nice, to put it other way - you are delusional!
nosense - not always but from the 18th century.
Isn't everything?
I was being nice, to put it other way - you are delusional!
however they have always had a distinct national identity, as have we and as have Wales and Scotland.
nosense - not always but from the 18th century.
Cojestdocholery
15 Jun 2022
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15 Jun 2022
News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades [14928]
Meth problem. You post like a broken record.
I do however have
Meth problem. You post like a broken record.
Cojestdocholery
15 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
News to me. Really lol?
That is not true. Due to partitions I would say it was from 1870 to 1905 that preocess took place. Otherwise in the 1920 Poland wouldn't have milion people in the army.
In folklore and religion they did differ from England but I would say that 1848 was that impulse that set a curse of their nationhood for good.
Most people.
News to me. Really lol?
didn't consider themselves Polish at all until the 1920s
That is not true. Due to partitions I would say it was from 1870 to 1905 that preocess took place. Otherwise in the 1920 Poland wouldn't have milion people in the army.
has always been Ireland.
In folklore and religion they did differ from England but I would say that 1848 was that impulse that set a curse of their nationhood for good.
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15 Jun 2022
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15 Jun 2022
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What a rubbish! What kind if nazi speak is that? Anyone with some knowldge of History would laugh at you you sound like a clown!
They perished with the intention of turning the old Russian land of Rus into a leftard-nazi anti-Russia
What a rubbish! What kind if nazi speak is that? Anyone with some knowldge of History would laugh at you you sound like a clown!
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15 Jun 2022
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15 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
Projecting 19th century world view onto the past that what it is. Tribal Ireland and Irish nation are not one and the same and countinuity is in the mind of beholder.
Not because it is an island of Ireland that is my point.
Did not give a F about it. They had their own culture not christanity and along with that absorbed material achivemnts of the Roman Empire, bastrdised and with the local spin.
Yes Poland took Christanity and absorbed it culture somewhat latter. Still, a mirrow that claims to be the sun sound cheap!
Ireland has long been a relatively unified entity
Projecting 19th century world view onto the past that what it is. Tribal Ireland and Irish nation are not one and the same and countinuity is in the mind of beholder.
It is though.
Not because it is an island of Ireland that is my point.
when the ancestors of today's Poles
Did not give a F about it. They had their own culture not christanity and along with that absorbed material achivemnts of the Roman Empire, bastrdised and with the local spin.
Yes Poland took Christanity and absorbed it culture somewhat latter. Still, a mirrow that claims to be the sun sound cheap!
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15 Jun 2022
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15 Jun 2022
UK, Ireland / Is it good for Poland as Sinn Fein will win today in Northen Ireland [114]
That is a nonsense. Right to it was inherited by the Polish King and the call to take it over came from the people who lived there. There was no annexing of any kind.
Ireland was an island not a one country, with a tribal system and differnt tribes from there to a nation is rather a long ride. Nations formed in 18th and 19th centuries, some in 20th century. Talking about a one nation in the acient tribal times is ahistorical legend not a fact.
By the Russian Empire and now there is no Russian Empire but Russian Federation that was created about 30 years ago about the same time Ukrainie was created. They even signed agreement in 1997 that regognized each other territory. The same one Russia broke in 2014.
Lvov was annexed by Poland in the 14th century.
That is a nonsense. Right to it was inherited by the Polish King and the call to take it over came from the people who lived there. There was no annexing of any kind.
Ireland was always one country with a predominantly Gaelic
Ireland was an island not a one country, with a tribal system and differnt tribes from there to a nation is rather a long ride. Nations formed in 18th and 19th centuries, some in 20th century. Talking about a one nation in the acient tribal times is ahistorical legend not a fact.
The Crimea was annexed by Russia in the 18th
By the Russian Empire and now there is no Russian Empire but Russian Federation that was created about 30 years ago about the same time Ukrainie was created. They even signed agreement in 1997 that regognized each other territory. The same one Russia broke in 2014.
Cojestdocholery
15 Jun 2022
News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades [14928]
Why don't you liberte your mind>? Before someone do it for you with nine gram of lead?
When you take by the military force a city in a foreign country is say that the city was taken not liberated. Learn English.
Liberated Mariupol
Why don't you liberte your mind>? Before someone do it for you with nine gram of lead?
When you take by the military force a city in a foreign country is say that the city was taken not liberated. Learn English.