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Meanwhile in the European Parliament...

"We are using barbed wire against human beings. Do we have to see people freezing in Polish forests as a weapon?" - asks Ska Keller, representative of German Green Party;

"My God, where am I? Polish government mustn't used the rhetorics of calling refugees a "weapon". What an ultranationalism! It's a shame! Be ashamed of yourselves!", says leftist deputee Cornelia Ernst.

Sometimes I understand Novichok's contempt for some of the western politicians. Absolutely despicable. *rolls eyes*

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Tusk warns the EU leaders that they have to use all the necessary means soon to stop the destabilisation of the EU eastern border...

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... he's concerned that something unpredictable might happen; there are rumours of Iraqi veterans among the "refugees" being trained by Belarussian army to conduct terrorist attacks in the EU, as well as of possible military force provocations.

However, I think he might also be concerned about something else. If the EU doesn't deal with the crisis accordingly, and instead concentrates on teaching PiS a lesson (stopping the euro funds, condemn abortion and anti-LGBTQ laws, enforce the payment of fines for Turów and judicial system reform etc. etc.) and the border operation ends with a failure, then Kaczyński might say - "look, the EU are absolutely useless in times of need, and all they do is bully us and meddle in our internal affairs! Maybe it's time to reconsider our allegiance?".

Remember that in the European Parliament Kaczyński is already allied with pro-Putin Salvini, Orban and LePen. This whole thing begins to stink and I start to notice the underbelly of it all...

Tusk is right to call for immediate action.

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... I wouldn't be surprised if that's why Kaczynski is not letting the free press or Frontex anywhere near the border. If that's all concerted with Lukashenko and Putin to make Polexit more acceptable to the Polish society then we are all in deep ****.

Hopefully it's just my paranoia.

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The person whom he blames for that is first and foremost Tusk, and the officials responsible for the organisation of the tragic flight. I don't think Kaczyński believes in the Russian bomb theory (that's up there with nanobots in the vaccines).

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Not really. He's probably just speculating about possible consequences of people being allowed to arbitrarily decide which children and when to kill.

Philip K. Dick's The Pre-persons come to mind.

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That's the crux of the matter. Tons of paper have been used to write about the problem. Who is to decide when "a fetus" becomes a child? And if we give ourselves this right to arbitrarily decide the age until which it is legal to kill the child, then if 3 months is OK then why not 6 months... or 9? Or 8 years?


Same here.


Well, it all depends what choice we are talking about.

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So you support the right to legal abortion on demand (even though you wouldn't have it yourself)?


Well, every individual can decide in his or her own conscience whether to steal money from the bank or murder his neighbour - that's obvious. The question is: should it be legal?


Like the view about private property or the right of another person to life that they don't believe in? You are oversimplifying the matter, Pawian. It's very unlike you.

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Yes, the previous law was not ideal, but it was more humane... if that's the right word. :-/


Not really. Abortion has been a matter of law all over the world as well. In Poland abortion, fully on demand without limitations, was legal only between 1943-45 under Nazi occupation.

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There are no middlemen here, BB. Lucuntshenka would never even dream of stopping the Yamal gas transfer without explicit permission from Russia.

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Oh, so you're saying the 19th century was less "patriarchal"? :)


And on this humorous note from Pawian I end my participation in this thread. :)

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So that would help Putin with NS2, OK, but how does this help Lukashenka? He gets fees for every cubic metre of gas he sends through Yamal - it's not as if he's sleeping on money at the moment. It looks like Putin is getting ready to take over Belarus and Lukashenka has lost the plot completely (he might even be sacrificed by Putin and replaced with another marionette).

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No, they are not. Last night those "innocent pawns" once again attacked Polish army with tear gas provided for them by the Belarussian forces. Meanwhile, Belarussian engineer units tried to destroy the border fence whilst attempting to blind Polish border guards with lasers. At least some of those "poor innocent pawns" are willful accomplices of Lukashenka's criminal regime.

One thing that comes to mind is that trying to destroy the border fence of a country by another country's military forces must consitute an act of war. This is becoming less and less "hybrid" and moves towards a regular conflict.

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Opportunist paying Lukashenko's criminal regime thousands of dollars to traffic them to the EU, carrying iphones and wearing "Canada Goose" thousand-dollar jackets, using children as human shields and propaganda weapons in the process, destroying the border fence and attacking soldiers guarding it. Poor innocent pawns indeed.

If this keeps up, Novichok's methods of dealing with it will no longer look that implausible. People are getting radicalized and for a reason.

EDIT: not to mention that there are confirmed intelligence data that there are veterans among the "refugees" trained to conduct terrorist attacks in the EU territory. This has to be finally properly dealt with.

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Yes. There were pictures posted of one of the the c**ts cutting the tree to destroy the border fence, wearing a brand new "Canada Goose".


... and Belarussian forces were openly trying to cut the border fence yesterday and run it over with their cars whilse blinding Polish guards with lasers in the process - it's reported on Polsat at the moment. Surely this cannot be allowed.

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There are people who can tell the difference, and they claim the clothes/equipment are genuine, but it's a secondary issue anyway - their actions and willful cooperation with Lukashenka's and Putin's criminal regimes make them anything but "poor, innocent pawns".

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Let's remember that people with children are a small minority there, and they are not the most aggresive ones. Having said that, the way they endanger their children is despicable and I would never do that. Also, people who can pay $5000-$8000 per person to Lukashenka for the entire trafficking operation are certainly not poor. I think the days of protraying them as "poor, innocent pawns and victims, fleeing war" are over, even in the liberal leftist media in the West. The EU currently has a much more realistic point of view on the matter, after the previous wave of "poor refugees".

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A common myth. When you escape from danger - real danger - you don't send young, strong men first. You save the most vulnerable ones at all cost.


If we are to believe the statistics, most people at the Polish border come from Iraq. There is currently no war in Iraq, and even if they come from countries where military actions take place, they should seek refuge in the first safe country, according to international law.

Your posts are very 2015. It's 2021 and luckily today we know much more about the criminal human trafficking and mechanisms behind it.

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The number of young men among the first wave (and the consequent ones) of refugees to Europe and relatively low percentage of them trying to bring their families over (which is understandable, seeing that most of them don't have wives and children yet) would seem to confirm that. Also, the history of all major military conflicts show that ranks of refugees (genuine refugees) are full of women, children and the elderly. Not so much among the consecutive Arab waves, which throws some light on the matter.

The myth of strong young men, coming here to get jobs (how many of them do, by the way?) and bring their families over is so busted that even the leftist press doesn't use it nowadays.

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We don't know that (also because some of them have this funny tendency of burning their documents on arrival - documented cases in border camps). We only know their country of origin and if we are to believe the reports of US and Polish intelligence there are veterans among them trained to conduct terrorist attacks in the EU. Asking to let those people in and grant them asylum is nothing short of madness. Lukashenka brought them to Belarus en masse, so let him worry about it - we have our duties, first and foremost, towards the safety and well-being of our citizens.


No. Because you would seem to ignore the whole body of evidence that shows that significant part of the people at the border are anything but "poor, innocent refugees".


Of course not. But we also cannot be blind to their cooperation with criminal regimes and serious cases of breaking the law. We also shouldn't in any way facilitate illegal border crossing by those people.


Oh, certainly. However the percentage of young men at the border completely busts the myth of them being genuine war refugees.


Germany is Poland's neighbour - that's where you go for safety, the first safe country where there is no war or persecution. Period.

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That's probably why the so-called "civilised" countries are invaded by muslim hordes (and this will only increase). God has used muslims as a scourge against sin in the past and we are witnessing it at the very moment now.


That's a horrible way to describe murdering a baby. I wonder where the hatred towards innocent, helpless children in their mothers' wombs stem from. It seems demoniac.

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Well, BB, you know what they say: "if you don't want to pay for your own army, you will have to pay for somebody elses". It's the same with religion: if you reject your own tradition (and I'm not talking about stone age paganism), if you reject Christianity (be it in its Lutheran, Reformed or Catholic form) on which the power of Europe was built, then you will have exactly what happens with islam in Europe now (not only through brutal demographics but also through intellectual and spiritual void of modern Europeans). :-/

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It's murdering a child.

And of course it will be punished; in some cases already in this world and most certainly in the next.

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Opinions are irrelevant. God's law applies.


For now. When muslims take over the apostate countries, they will sort it out. Whether you like it or not when it happens is a completely different mater.

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Atheists are clueless. They, of course, have to be tolerated but must not be allowed to wallow in their antinomian mud too much or, in any case, undermine God's decrees. It's only for their own good - we, Christians, tolerate them but Muslims won't. Can you imagine the ordeal of women or LGBTQ people under Sharia law? That's why we have to stop the God's scourge, Muslims, from taking over. Common sense 101.


I'm a Christian; I believe I am saved by Christ's sacrifice and God's grace, not by any of my deeds or merits.

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Exactly! :)

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Paganism didn't turn Europe into the most powerful continent on Earth, Christianity did. When we abandoned our faith, our power shrank as well.

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Thank you.


Well, we all have our weak moments...


Everybody has difficulties in their lives. The point is to hold fast to the Holy Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ and then all the difficulties stop to matter. :)


Yes, I can. The assurance of salvation and the perseverance of the faithful are one of the most glorious aspects of Reformed confession to which I currently subscribe, after finally being liberated from the popish nonsense. :)

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Not as countries, of course, but as a religious and demographic force taking over our lacklustre and pussified societies they are a real danger indeed!

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India is not an islamic country and Pakistan has atomic weapons (so that would be a bit unfair). Against other countries mentioned by you Germans would win easily - believe me, we Poles know them, they are a bunch of tough sons-of-b*tches when push comes to shove.

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God did.

And not only to me, but to everyone that has eyes to see and ears to hear...