But you described it as a personal issue and shouldn't affect their working hours. If that is the case why they don't pick up the kids?
It is a personal issue.
If a father agrees to pick up his kids then he will. The man is being responsible.
If a father agrees to pick up his kids but suddenly is unable to then he will reasonably ask the mother to do this instead because he knows they have joint responsibility for their children. The man is still acting responsibly.
When the mother tells the father she will pick up the kids because he can't then on a whim she changes her mind without telling him or anyone else then you will come on here like any feminist and complain how bad men are.
And why do you think they trust their sisters, mothers ect?
Because women are weaker than men and they respond to this through safety in numbers with each other.
This is why in any nightclub women always escort each other to the toilets.
Women are natural collectivists anyway.
Generation after generation.
Never saw such a manifesto in feminist movements
Propagandists already know women feel and don't think. They understand that women aren't going to read hefty manifestos before doing their bidding.
Propagandists also know that women are conformists and always look for visual and other social queues on how to model their lives.
See for yourself:
and most definitely not in Poland where birth rates are dropping like crazy.
Gee, I wonder why?
Clearly the near zero birthrates must be due to men not doing their fair share of domestic chores at home rather than crazed feminists publicly pressuring women to avoid having children under the guise of it being a "human rights" issue.
My point is exactly that- tax system don't care and ask you to pay accordingly.
Taxes are based in law and you "as a woman" are fine with the status quo because the tax system benefits women at the expense of men.
Feminism isn't about equality between men and women. It's about using the state to secure power and privilege only for women.
Individualist Feminism Versus Collectivist Feminism
"modern gender feminism owes more to Marxism and socialist feminism than it does to classical liberalism and individualist feminism...gender feminism incorporates such socialist ideas as 'surplus labor,' by which human cooperation is viewed as the process of one group taking benefits from another group...the law must act to benefit women, who have been historically disadvantaged, at the expense of men, who have been the oppressors."
So can man get I don't see then that often with their kids
You're not being honest.
As already pointed out women have a lower participation rate in the workforce but a higher absenteeism rate when compared to men.
Men are at work providing for themselves (because society won't) or for their families (because that is the expectation placed on men).
Women are exercising options about whether to work or stay at home (and society will bend over backwards to support their decision even as they complain not enough is being done for them regardless of their decision).
Most women don't trust men around children anyway regardless of how close the relationship is.
Is this maternal instinct? Yes, especially when the wife cheated on her husband and knowingly gave birth to another man's child. Many such cases exist and that is why some countries ban paternity test or place the burden only on the man to pay and jump through many legal hoops to get a paternity test done. This is what matriarchal societies do. A truly gender equal society would have paternity tests done automatically and as soon as possible.
Another example (this time as a result of feminist programming) of female distrust of a father around what she knows is his own children becomes unmasked when she (like most women) file for divorce and then does everything to ensure the father is denied custody or even visitation rights while making sure his child support payments keep flowing into her bank account.
More and more women don't. And crack on. But you don't like that either, do you?
This has already been addressed in other threads.
Feminism deliberately destroyed the nuclear family by brainwashing "strong and independent" women into seeing marriage as slavery and motherhood as drudgery if not deadly (i.e., "she'll die giving birth so she needs to have constant access to free abortions", blah, blah, blah.).
For any women who do show interest in children they either want to have an "amazing career" first and then have only one child in their 30s or 40s and which frequently ends up being born with chromosomal conditions such as Down syndrome.
Or such women remain childless and take to activism to support migrant families entering the country and using the health care system they never paid into to have replacement children. These career-first/children-never women are often at points of entry smiling widely and holding "welcome refugees" signs or they can be found walking their dog in a park and stopping to talk excitedly with ubiquitous pregnant migrant women who also have at least two other migrant children in tow.
2- it was Iron who started this.
He isn't the OP. Regardless of who started it you know they have a point and that is why you are so defensive and "feel" the need to try to convince others to deny reality. It's called gaslighting and is a common female trait.
Generally tax affects those who earn more, more.
Again, you're not being honest.
If you were you would have said that generally tax affects men because men earn more than women because men work more than women.
after being a full time dad for few months he apologised to his first wife for how he was when they were married because he has no idea how she managed it all with 3 kids.
Yawn, the worn-out feminist meme of men being dumb and incompetent and women being brilliant and doing it all with ease.
This self-identifying bollox has its roots in stupid Americans who can't accept that they're American and describe themselves as Polish, Irish, German, Swedish etc. because they had one great-grandfather who emigrated from there back in 18-something-or-other.
That's what happens in feminist/lesbian societies which fetishize diversity. In the end people realize they have nothing in common with each other apart from living within the same borders.
By the way, why didn't you include Jews in your litany of descriptors? They too hyphenate their identity (Jewish-American) or overemphasize just being Jewish. Are they talking bollox when they do this?
Usually women reduce their hours to drop off/pick up the kid from childcare, they take the care when kids are sick etc.
They can still put in a full work day after taking care of personal stuff so they don't have to reduce their hours.
women have less kids, marry less often and crack on with their lives ( meaning they also pay for their own upkeep) so everybody is happy, right?
No, women aren't "cracking on with their lives" and are still not happy otherwise the topic of men not doing more domestic work for women wouldn't have even been brought up.
Ever hear of the "bykowe" tax in Poland? The "bull" or "unmarried man" tax? It was imposed several times Poland's history.
Who were the beneficiaries of this tax burden? Women of course.
Sure this was abolished each time it was introduced but in name only.
Since men earn more than women by virtue of working more than women then men are de facto paying more in taxes.
And who effectively is paying for a woman's care during pregnancy, childcare support thereafter and then health and pensions for women who retire earlier and again live longer than men?
The answer again is men and only men who are paying for women regardless of a man's marital status.
Yes, but it still wouldn't fully explain why 35% of women aged 20 - 64 don't work.
Number of live births in Poland from 1950 to 2022
"In 2022, the number of live births in Poland was the lowest since 2017 and amounted to 8.1 per thousand population. The highest rate was recorded in 1950 when the number of births per 1000 people was nearly 31."
My nation needs more workers so I am going to get me pregnant.
Nowadays women only get pregnant to get out of work.
The only traditional expectation from a woman about getting pregnant is that having a child means someone will be there to care for her in old age since women still outlive men by nearly a decade.
I would love to see her explain how women are paying 50/50 ("if not more") in relationships while at the same time complaining there is a gender pay gap.
She must believe that women should befinancially compensated for doing domestic work if men are not doing it.
But she can't have it both ways.
If a wife doing unpaid domestic work is her way of meeting a 50/50 bargain with her husband's overall or complete financial contributions to the relationship then what is the problem?
Yeah, we know, we know, women are "tired".
Nah, the fact is these feminists never grew out of their "princess complex".
Temporary absences from work higher for women than men
"The gap between the absence rates for men and women was also large in Hungary (13.2% for women and 5.5% for men), Poland (12.1% for women and 5.1% for men) and Latvia (12.0% for women and 5.0% for men)."
Many women in Poland do pay 50/50 for everything in the relationship
Lies. See above. Women don't do anywhere near the same amount of work as men in order to earn the same amount of money in order to pay 50/50 for everything.
if not majority.
LOL! Lies! Never!
And it's not just about money...earning less doesn't equal spending less time at work
Lies. See above. Women don't do the same amount of work as men. Literally, women are not there as much as men to do it.
earning less doesn't equal being less tired after work...then she's too tired...she may be so tired
Tired from what? Being out all night clubbing before a workday? Having to get out of bed on a workday? Not being able to have a "lazy girl job"?
So, as you can see, sharing duties at home by the husband and wife together is also in the interest of the husband.
One can move a couch from one place to another by pushing it to another place.
You obviously don't care about scratching floors or damaging carpets. But then again women don't pay financially into relationships so the concept of responsibility that comes with ownership is truly alien to them.
Btw, I've never seen a man lifting a couch just so his wife could do the vacuuming
Nor should he.
Since it is a man who buys or pays the rent on a home, along with all the furniture, plus the vacuum cleaner then this is the only heaving lifting a wife should expect from her husband when it comes to cleaning:
When women start paying 50/50 in money for everything in the relationship only then will they be able to speak with any credibility about "sharing".
But some are trying their best to indoctrinate the young and make the next generation of loyal Zionists to ensure the unceasing worship of Israel until the end of time.
and for the kind of revenge that would forever remove any temptation to repeat 10/7.
Before October 7th here is where the death toll stood going back to 2008:
Looks like October 7th was a case of causality.
I'm sure many will disagree but that's okay because some people out there actually debate that the Warsaw Uprising in 1944 was mistake and shouldn't have been undertaken.
Who and how will guarantee no more rockets and no 10/7 2.0?
Good question.
It shouldn't be the United States. After all, America for decades has sent billions and billions of dollars in fealty over to Israel to "guarantee" their safety and security with bullets, bombs, barricades and border walls.
And yet October 7th still happened.
American taxpayers deserve a serious refund.
Indeed, what does Israel provide in return to the United States?
This is never talked about just like how Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 killing 34 and wounding 174 American servicemen is never talked about.
For many of you who are most likely never to have heard about this crime here is a good documentary (made in Britain not the US for obvious reasons) about this unforgivable act of state-sponsored terrorism:
See WW2, Japan, and Germany. It worked very well, didn't it?
Yes and no.
Both countries received aid and foreign investment to rebuild their infrastructures and economies.
Today they are modern and prosperous.
Demographics though tell a very different story.
Even if you put aside the devastating and intertwined policies of feminism and abortion, both countries genetically lost the strongest of their men to war.
For those who survived and the subsequent generations in both countries never again felt pride in themselves or their respective countries and this too contributed to the collapse in birthrates.
But that's okay because, at least in Germany's case, "gawd's chosen" already have plans and (US taxpayer) funds to help.
In Germany, Jewish funds help keep Mediterranean migrant rescue missions afloat
One of them publicly announced this "need" over a decade ago to "help" Sweden.
Sometimes things don't go they way they hope though but at least they are "trying" to help.
Israel scraps plan to send African migrants to West
"Under the five-year plan, some 16,250 African migrants who entered [Israel] illegally, many of them seeking asylum, would be resettled in Western nations, which Mr Netanyahu had said included Germany, Italy and Canada."
what is the proper response to an event like the one on 10/7?
A Palestinian representative recently answered this very question.
Here it is if you can bear to watch the absolutely insufferable shrilly misandrist feminist Zionist "interviewer" demanding to know while interrupting the whole time.
To save time and your nerves go to the 6:45 minute mark to start watching.
If I had to live next to the guys who can drop a bomb on my family and my house the last thing I would want to do is to rape their daughters, wives, and mothers.
I understand.
Unfortunately, rape is recognized as something that is and has been used as a weapon of war in conflicts all over the world. Even US soldiers have committed rape both of the enemy and within their own ranks. Unlike in other parts of the world though at least with the US when such acts are discovered it is treated as a crime and the perpetrators are given prison sentences and their careers ruined.
In fact, I would join the bad guys, the Israelis, in locating and killing every last moron
There is too much bad blood between Israel and Palestinians but I hear they have actually cooperated on police related matters in the past.
It's not surprising though that Israel expects the entire world to be enraged and rally to support only them yet you don't ever hear a single word out of them when other countries are going through anything similar.
As I said in another post, both Israelis and Palestinians are foreigners. The responsibility is on both of them to find a solution to find a way to live separately and next to each other in peace.
It is better that both of them are over there than over here.
Ouch! And that's the view from inside Israel. LOL!
They Say, We Say: The Palestinians are not a real people
"The starting point is this: it makes no difference whether Israelis, or Jews, or anyone else recognize the Palestinians as a people.The Palestinians view themselves as a distinct people, with deep ties to the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Israel and supporters of Israel can neither deny nor wish the Palestinians and their claims out of existence.
There is ample historical documentation showing that a separate local identity among Arabs living in Palestine started forming in the 16th and 17th century, and that a national Palestinian consciousness began crystallizing early in the 20th century, as anti-colonial movements took root around the world. This national consciousness transformed into a national movement and later into a national liberation movement, in large part as a result of the friction between the Palestinians and Zionism, the Jewish national self-determination movement."
Is Israel qualified to be a self-governing sovereign nation? Not really.
First, they only exist because they need to be propped-up by the United States Government and religious fanatics on both sides of the Atlantic.
Second, they aren't qualified if you simply use the standard of needing a precedence of self-rule which is being applied only to the Palestinians.
The Romans finally expelled the Jews from Palestine in the 1st Century. That's not a good sign when claiming to be sovereign especially when you also have a long history of other neighboring powers (such as Egypt, Greece, Persia) also taking your land and sending you into exile too.
Once the Romans gave the Jews the final boot they lived in many other parts of the world but mainly Europe.
Yet in over 2,000 years they never once had a self-governing sovereign nation of their own until 1948.
So why was the State of Israel founded at all 75 years ago when they would have to go back to even before Roman times to show any formal tribal organization and then use their own religious texts (not valid in law by the way) to make territorial claims in the modern era?
That's like someone putting together a family tree as a hobby and then claiming to find a royal ancestor and using it as all the credentials that are needed to be a governor or president today.
because Poland doesn't recognize Palestine as an independent state.
"Diplomatic relations between Poland and the PLO were established in July 1982 (after Israeli aggression in Lebanon). Representation of the PLO received the official status of a diplomatic mission, and its director - with the status of ambassador - the privilege of accreditation to the head of state. Renaming the PLO mission in Warsaw to "The Embassy of the Palestinian State" took place in 1989 during the visit of Mr. J. Arafat, due to the unilateral Palestinian decision. It was adopted by the Polish authorities (the Polish position resulted from the decision of the UN General Assembly from December 15, 1988 concerning the use of the name "Palestine" instead of "PLO"). As a result of the signing of the peace agreement between the PLO and Israel in 1995, the name "Embassy of Palestine" started to be used in order to stress the fact that the peace process will result in the creation of a Palestinian state. Poland supports the right of the Palestinian people to self-governance and its aspirations to achieving an independent Palestinian state as a result of the Middle East peace process."
gov.pl/web/palestine/bilateral-relations
All that needs to be established are permanent borders within their ancestral lands. Reasonably this would be what the UN proposed in 1948.
Even Poland didn't finally settle its border with German until 1990 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Border_Treaty).
Canada and America still haven't resolved their territorial disputes (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_disputed_by_Canada_and_the_United_States).
This poll is from 2012. How about a more recent one?
You complain that a poll taken within the last 10 years isn't credible but a specious claim of Jews living in Palestine thousands of years ago and absent from there for just as long is relevant?
You said so yourself:
There was. Long ago, but there was.
Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about and clearly don't want to.
In other words, you don't know what you are talking about.
Yeah, because they lived there for 3,000+ years. That's a pretty good claim!
Exactly!
Jews from Central and Eastern Europe only migrated there with Britain's permission in the 1900s because they didn't want to participate in diversity, equity and inclusion in the societies of the countries they were actual born in and once they got to Palestine they didn't want to participate in diversity, equity and inclusion with the native non-Jews who were already living there for millennia.
They should have their own country if they're so hell-bent on it.
Great, just give them all their land back.
Many Israelis don't want to live in Israel anyway.
Bye, the Beloved Country - Why Almost 40 Percent of Israelis Are Thinking of Emigrating
Poland was very much in existence before the partitions, wasn't it?
What does that matter?
There were centuries when it simply didn't exist nor was it autonomous which is the same argument you are trying give for the Palestinians not "existing".
Congress Poland
"Following the partitions of Poland at the end of the 18th century, Poland ceased to exist as an independent nation for 123 years. The Congress Kingdom of Poland was theoretically granted considerable political autonomy by the liberal constitution. However, its rulers, the Russian emperors, generally disregarded any restrictions on their power. It was, therefore, little more than a puppet state in a personal union with the Russian Empire. Thus, from the start, Polish autonomy remained little more than fiction."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_Poland
There never was a real country Palestine whose liberation has to be fighted for and freed!
Nor was there any real country of Israel before 1948.
Zionism originated in Central and Eastern Europe not Palestine. Zionists had to ask the British to be allowed to immigrate to Palestine.
This is all in the 1917 Balfour Declaration which mentions Palestine by name but Israel isn't mentioned anywhere.
The Balfour Declaration also recognizes "existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" and makes Jewish immigration conditional in that their entry into Palestine must not infringe on the civil and religious rights of the native population.
By the way, the Zionists in Palestine were first ruled under the British. The British then turned control over to the United Nations.
It was the United Nations that first proposed a two state solution.
Therefore, there never was a real country Israel whose liberation had to be fought for and freed.
The country Palestine will be shiny and new no matter how it comes into being...
So? No different than the State of Israel being self-recognized for a mere 75 years.
If you believe Jewish myths then why don't they resettle to the lands they claim they spent nearly a century in exile (i.e., ancient Babylon which is now modern day Iraq)?
Heck, they can go way back to the homeland of their prophet character Moses (i.e., Egypt) where as a people they claim to have lived for over 400 years.
Or they can go live in the land where this Moses person died (i.e., Jordan).
After all the Jordanians are the same people just outside of the contested borders....
You might be surprised who doesn't agree with you.
Maybe you (like your fellow Zionists in Israel) would feel even better if we start calling them "Europeans" instead of "Jordanians".
Two Israeli lawmakers call on European countries to take in Gaza refugees
"Criticizing international community for not helping in tangible way to find solutions for 1.2 million Gazans displaced by war. We simply need a handful of the world's nations to share the responsibility of hosting Gazan residents. Even if countries took in as few as 10,000 people each, it would help alleviate the crisis. The international community has a moral imperative-and an opportunity-to demonstrate compassion, help the people of Gaza move toward a more prosperous future and work together to achieve greater peace and stability in the Middle East."
But there were and still are neon signs which display an amusingly altered slogan due to malfunction.
Altered yes but not always due to a malfunction.
"In post-war Poland, the state distribution system impeded private initiative, and advertisements were superfluous and even seen as antagonistic to the communist system...neons could only be put up if they carried information or were decorative...All that was left of the pre-war neon installation "Hotel Polonia" was the bare word "Hotel"."
culture.pl/en/article/a-history-of-warsaws-neons
This explains your rabid leftist hatred of Polonia.
Polonia represents the true Polish spirit of freedom, family, faith and fidelity to Poland.
Such values are anathema to communists such as yourself.
You complained that your children had their main meal and dry, savory dessert on the same plate and at the same time even though they were not sitting properly at a table anyway.
I said piling food like this isn't so uncommon even in public gatherings.
You (the bourgeois communist) condescendingly dismissed this as gluttonous.
Coz I am enviromentally friendly and don`t use up world`s resources to wash up a silly plate.
No, it's because your dishwasher wife doesn't want to do more work! :)
If you were so environmentally friendly as you pretend to be then you would avoid more electricity and water consumption all together and use compostable paper plates instead, Mr. Fallout Farmer! :)
Yeah, who stacks and empties the dishwashing machine most of the time in your "Polish" home anyway? According to the PF feminists it has to be your wife and not you! :)
I am not a glutton like you so I stack only half of what is available on offer. And then I repeat the procedure again and again.
Oh, so you personally keep using the same plate again and again for everything on offer. Gluttony in slow motion.
That is decent eating. Ha!!!!
Why complain that your children are gluttons for having sausage and a dry savory dessert on the same plate at the same time when they are not sitting properly at a table to eat anyway as shown in the photo you posted? :)
