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@mafketis
I will talk about all those things.
Double tap if its a military target is a great strategy.
Trump doctrine will be to end the war. Wow, crazy to stop the dying I know.
Biden doctrine is t follwo what ever his handlers write on note cards for him, sorry not a mind reader.

Imagine all these questions can be answered by two fvcking leaders sitting at a table and honestly negotiating. Ukraine not getting Crimea back. That is certain. Could a negotiated peace include a redrawing of the map where the line of contact is? Yes. But once Russia breaks through, Putin isnt giving anything back after sening tens of thousands to die for that land. People need to start thinking rationally.

Now, once again, when all the US aid comes, who TF is going to be there to man it all? Ukraine is outnumbered at least 7 to 1. Where are the men coming from?

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@mafketis
In case you forgot, the US has not signed any "Alliance" with Ukraine. The US owes Ukraine nothing. And as someone who just paid an outrageous amount of income tax to the IRS, I and others like me have every right to demand that our money be spent on Americans.

That said. If the US wanted to end any war it has been in at any time, they could have. We all know that if massive bombing would have been used everywhere, there would be no one left to fight. The problem is the US fights by the "rules" and the enemy never does. Imagine the US being as non law abiding as Russia has been. Nothing would be left standing in most cases. My point being that in war, the idea of "rules" is rather stupid. In a fight to the death, I would follow no rules against the other person trying to kill me. I imagine every Russian and Ukrainian man fighting now does not GAF about rules when facing the enemy. And they shouldnt.

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@johnny reb
And for sale signs will go up very quickly if that actually happens. Biden is the death of the American Dream.

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@mafketis
If Hunter Biden was any other American person he would be rotting in a prison cell for many years by now. A POS of a Presidential level. Daddy covers up for him, until Daddy gets caught red handed getting money from family members involved in Hunters games. Enbarassing and no better than Trump and his charges.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2810]

@Tacitus
In the US, there is a very old and deep rooted hunting tradition and culture. Also in the US are heards of very big White Tail Deer, that absolutely have to be managed by hunters due to so many car/deer fatal accidents. In Michigan in particular, insurance rates are extremely high because of such a high rate of these accidents. And the deer in the US are so much larger than the deer in Poland that you would be surprised. I have taken one from the woods, dressed out at over 90 kilos.

As for the gun laws in Europe, they are what they are. They will likely change though if the war, or threat of war becomes greater in the EU. The EU and Poland still nowhere near enough soldiers trained to defend against Russia if Russia comes in 6 to 8 years. And if they do come, you will wish you had something to fight back with and defend your home and family. Its easy for people not living in a country directly bordering Russia to say whatever TF they want when they wont directly face anything if it happens. It would be like me heading back to the States and saying Europe doesnt need guns. Easy to say from far away.

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@jon357
Call me paranoid and weak? I promise you would never say that to my face.

As for Deer, the average Polish Roe Deer is half that of the average White Tail. Poland has about a half million of these in the whole country. There are two million deer in Michigan alone. I use Michigan because thats JR's vantage point. The deinsity of deer population makes hunting not only important, but a necessity.

@Novichok
You cant talk common sense to a man who thinks other men are for fvcking. They already prove they suffer from mental disease.

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@Alien
I dont believe it is possible to impose sanctions that will work on a country that does not need anything from the west. Russia can produce anything it needs. Maybe not as well as the west, but they dont need the west. Anything else they want you're right, they can get from their friends in low places. So, what do you do to a country that cannot be stopped by sanctions? You cant bleed them of cash. You cant cut them off of resources. All you can do is negotiate and hope they would prefer a peaceful working agreement. The US could do the same.

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@cms neuf
I wont argue a point on the natives. Should we argue points on how many Zubr were in Poland before Europeans hunted? Maybe we should talk about all the whaling done by Europeans?

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Interesting how no one here is talking about Ukraine aid going to a vote on Saturday morning. Lets see how many democrats support the republican aid packages for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. Included in those are the confiscation of Russian assets to pay for the aid.

Also interesting how no one has mentioned that the CIA director said Ukraine could be gone by the end of this year if they dont get the aid. Meanwhile another report has said that even with all the new aid, Ukraine will not be able to make a breakthrough because they do not have enough men. I know its crazy to think that things are happening just as I and others said they would. What does Z do about it? Nothing. It will be really fvcked up when reports come out of Ukraine in a few months about how many weapons are still sitting in storage because there is not enough manpower to use them.

The first F-16's now expected at the end of June, with the buld arriving in August. I wonder how many men will be left for Ukraine to fight with then.

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@Novichok
This aid will get Ukraine through the election. It will pass because its Bidens last grasp at supressing any more evidence of little Bidens criminal enterprises and his connection to it. It is also one of the last things he can make a campaign issue.

@mafketis
If not for the US this war would have been over a long time ago. Lets remember who was the first to give aid, and who warned Ukraine the invasion was coming. And with this next aid package all of Europe will once again be way behind the US.

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With the aid package passed in commitee, it will go to a vote today. It is expected to pass the house vote. Then how quickly will the senate act and will they try to make changes to the packages? The senate controlled by democrats, if making changes, will slow this aid down once again, and then the finger pointing will begin.

All the continued talk about Russians raping women, children, and their own soldiers continues here. Yet, the western press has not been reporting on that lately. So, did everything like that stop all of a sudden, or are there simply no people left to rape? On the other side, with all the western tanks and other items sent, where are the massive lists of those items being destroyed by Russia? Either tanks and HMARS got really good at hiding, or they arent being hit. Cant trust any single news outlet to tell the truth.

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Ukraine aid passes the house, and its expected to go to the senate this week. All good for Ukraine until Z states that Russia is planning a major spring offensive. In case Z or anyone else missed it, its already spring, and in about 30 days the ground will be dry enough for that offensive. Lets assume best case scenario and the US aid arrives before this offensive begins. Where are the men coming from to use all this new aid? There has not been any reporting on Ukraine adding large numbers of men, or women for that matter. All the talk about aid, and not enough about manpower. Meanwhile the wife and I really enjoyed seeing a nice Bentley SUV with Ukraine plates on rynek Friday night.

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@Alien
Really? Even if financed, the monthly payment, would be somwhere around $6000 USD per month. Considering the average Ukraine income has hovered around 10K Euro per year for the last 20 years, I would say that is more than a fair indication of wealth for any Ukrainian. Its also a great indicator of how money buys freedom.

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@Alien
Envy? This Benley was brand new. There are only three types of Ukraine people who can afford that vehicle. Either the oligarchs stealing from the government, the mafia, or the less than a few thousand people who actually make enough money legally to afford it. This is a very small pool of potential buyers. Compared to Poland potential buyers, it is miniscule. As for aprarment buying in Poland, they sure arent paying cash for them in most cases.

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@Alien
This was a brand new SUV, well over 300K to buy. Not used. I know the prices of luxury cars. Only pretenders buy used Bentleys and this was parked outside of a five star hotel I have stayed at that is well over 1000 pln a night on weekdays.

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@Lenka
Why not hold a referendum and then have an overwhelming victory on the subject? Instead of letting politicians decide, let the people decide. That is democracy isnt it? Just like the abortion issue. Whats the problem with this?

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@Lenka
You dont kow its a non issue until there is a real vote. Everything else is bull$hit. Anyone not in favor of a referendum on this or abortion is afraid of the outcome.

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mil.in.ua/en/news/bild-germany-misses-deadline-for-delivery-of-400-armored-vehicles-to-ukraine/

This is the European support for Ukraine defined. I am not picking on Germany here, but this is systemic throughout the EU. All the talk is just talk and buying time until the US has to step in and bail people out.

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New US aid package to include longer range ATACMS missiles. This new tool for Ukraine puts everything in Crimea within range. One overwhelming swarm of missiles and drones and that bridge will be gone. This could be very damaging for Vlads image at home. Crimea should have been the the target for Ukraine this whole time, it is the biggest prize that Vlad has. Now it will be interesting to see how quickly the senate acts to pass things, and then how quickly everything begins to arrive in Ukraine. Lets hope they have enough men left to unpack everything.

Off-Topic / USA News and Poland - part 8 [1571]

@Novichok
Most of these female opinions represent "modern" American women. I cant say its infected European women as much yet. The feminist movement was once about their equal rights, as it should be when they didnt have equal rights. Now it has been twisted into some bull$hit that will see millions more women without husbands, and without children. The US feminists are largely fat, ugly women men who are in that one percent category would never touch anyway. But they have infected some other women as well.

@Lenka
A man is better off to have children with women and not marry them so they only pay child support. Not getting married saves you half of everything you have worked for. Men are simply seeing that marriage is only profitable for women. My opinion is really targeted at the US, and not as much in Europe, though my friends here are seeing this as well. Cant lose your house, savings, and half of everything else if you dont get married.

Whats funny is, I was at a wedding this weekend for one of my employees. His father came in from the US. When he told me that there is no prenup and that she wouldnt sign one, we both shook our heads. Any woman who wont sign a prenup is guarding herself for the future when the man only wants to do the same by having her sign one, yet the woman always gets angry when the subject is brought up.

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@Lenka
Women are really catching up to men as far as cheating goes. 20% of men and 16% of women. So the cheating clause should go both ways shouldnt it. You cant just point fingers at men. Want equal rights, lets make them really fvcking equal. A divorce does not mean the man should fund the woman at all. Thats called, get the fvck out of the house and get a job, and the man pays for the children.

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@Bobko
I agree that strategically its not as big a target it was 12 months ago. Symbolically though, Crimea would be a loss I dont think he could come back from.

One billion in arms to be sent immediately to Ukraine once the senate passes the funding today. Yet, still, who is going to be there to use all of this new gear?

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@Bobko
Crimea should have been the goal last summer, and it wasnt. Z didnt follow orders. It will be very difficult to take Crimea, but not as difficult to starve people out of the area. If the bridge is gone, people in Crimea will start leaving quickly. They were lined up for miles when the bridge was hit the first time. If it is gone, they will move quickly, presenting less resistance. But, Ukrain then has to get through other defenses and cut off Crimea completely which would take more than all summer in my opinion.

@Korvinus
Why would the US send men to Ukraine to die? Thats just stupid. No way it would happen. Its a Europe problem. What happens now when a billion in weapons arrives in a week? Who is there to use them? Maybe Poland should send 50,000 men to help? Germany? Or maybe Z needs to mobilize half a million more men like he should have done a year ago?

Russia cannot be pushed out of Ukraine completely. Its not going to happen. That ship sailed a year ago. This aid from the US will allow for some small victories if Ukraine mobilizes more men. If no more men, it only prolongs the war for another six months or so, maybe to the end of the year. And if Biden is out, then Ukraine has no other option but to negotiate, and Z will be either forced out, or he will run away. Putins strategy, the Russian way of war really, cannot be beat by Ukraine because they do not have the numbers of men to throw at the enemy. Simple math really.

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@johnny reb
Poland has asked over a year ago to be a part of the rotating nuclear arms group. Poland should have developed their own nukes twenty years ago. Now, if Poland were to get nukes, you can almost assure Russia will eventually invade. Vlad isnt afraid of a few small nukes when he has the worlds largest supply. Even if only half of them work, that is still enough to wipe out half of the planet.

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@cms neuf
Poland has always found money to do things. Just like the keep finding money to create social benefit programs. I am on planet reality, Poland prints money like the US does now, may as well print some extra.

@Torq
Why would the US want to raise tensions with Russia by selling Poland nukes? Not a good idea for the US or Poland. Poland developing their own is something they can do and should do, so if Russia sends a bunch our way one day at least some of their people will be vaporized like the rest of us in Poland.

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@Torq
Poland official membership in the EU began in 2004, so between then and now, there has been plenty of opportunity to develop their own nukes. That said, government graft and huge political paydays over the years were clearly a higher priority.

That said, I wuld have to believe that with some engineering that some HIMARS and other systems would be able to be adapted to deliver a small nuclear load. Tried doing a little research, but that kind of math and science is beyond me.

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It can easily be argued that the US wins the war, and then simply stays too long when looking at the middle east conflicts. Staying too long meaning the US president and the MIC simply wont allow themselves the win and leave. They think they need to stay and determine the fate of those countries, when they should determine their own fate. A US style of government is not for everyone, and the US should stop trying to force it on people who dont want it.

Ukraine is getting a whole bunch of weapons before the end of the week now. A new WSJ report shows they got ATACMS in February and have been using them. So, aparently they are getting more, and they have only used them so far on the front line positions. Meanwhile, even CNN is having to start telling the truth of the battlefield conditions. More reports of Russian advances on Ukraine defensive positions, and more reports of a lack of Ukraine manpower.

I think I started on the lack of Ukraine manpower rant about six months ago. Had Z actually done something about this, we would be at a time where all those men would have been trained by now and ready to take to the field. That in my opinion is a complete failure to lead and act on relevant information from the battlefield. In most countries, someone making these terrible decisions would be removed from their position.

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@Velund
What ever these fvcks are smoking in Belarus must be really strong. LMFAO to think anyone is going to attack Belarus. For what? To capture potatoes? Belarus military is not even as good as the Samoa military. Lukashenko has obviously lost his mind from lack of oxygen while his head is up Vlads a$$.

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@Crow
I dont think Poles like Western Europeans that much either. I dont know a Pole who will befriend a German or Frenchman before a Slovak or Czech. The global pull for power will always exist. That said, Vlads idea of multipolarity is hilarious. The US and the West make the rules. Russia and China hate it, but it is not going to change. Even if Russia takes Ukraine, its not going to change. The only people who will topple the US are US citizens.

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@Novichok
This idea of the Us supplying nukes to Poland, even one rotation, is suicide for Poland. Duda and the boys are just fvcking idiots. Now, Poland developing a few of their own nukes is still a good idea, done in secret of course. Modify some of the HIMARS and other systems for small warhead delivery and you have something that probably can be done not only cheaply but quickly. I say this because Poland does not have the infrastructure or hideability that they would need to create large missle silos without them being seen before completion.

Now with the US delivering arms and missiles within days of passing the new aid package, Belgium steps on its own d1ck. The home of the EU is now saying they will try to get Ukraine f-16's by the end of the year. Are you fvcking kidding me? And people on PF wonder why Americans are frustrated with the EU's general response to assisting Ukraine. People say the US should do more and I ask WTF is the EU really doing? All the "talk" from the EU members about assisting Ukraine, and defeating Russia is lip service. Where are the huge donations? Where are the planes? Ukraine pilots are trained, so what is the delay? Where is all the ramped up production of ammunition? Where are the new factories in the EU for production? The EU wants to talk tough to Vlad, and Vlad keeps pumping missiles into Ukraine.

More reports out of Ukraine about the manpower problems. They need a half million more men, and one report suggests they will have a difficult time getting fifty thousand more to the front lines. And if thats all Ukraine can do, the US will see a lot of the aid provided blown up by Russian missiles.