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Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]
I finally got to read the entire thread. I like it: it's pretty intense.
Many posters mention war memorials honoring the common soldier, in this case the Soviet Red Army. That they should be...
"...respected unconditionally..." "...war memorial removal seems wrong...considering the huge sacrifice involved." "...simple war graves are not a problem..." Constant posts mention the Red Army soldier who gave their lives.
I have to admit I'm comparing this situation with the one going on in the USA concerning memorials to the ENEMY --- the Confederates --- the rebels who wanted to destroy the nation.
Cemeteries to the rebel dead are both private and public. Just as poster in this thread say, let the dead soldiers lie. But things are changing in the USA. Monuments, streets, highways, counties, parks, military bases, etc. are disappearing or having their names changed. Monuments are being taken down if they are in public and if someone wants to pay to put it in a rebel cemetery then so be it! Most enemy (Confederate) monument are in public places. These are mostly paid forby taxpayers and many taxpayers are descendants of slaves. (By the tern "paid for" I mean the preservation and maintenance.)
A poster mentioned the point of having to see the hammer & sickle everyday going to work. That would be the same feeling of a slave's descendant viewing a monument to the Confederate dead everyday on their way to work.
So I take it that Red Army monuments are still around in public. My view is that they should be placed in cemeteries, specifically Red Army cemeteries. Not in public at all. A poster also said that memorials in graveyards are OK but everything that glorified the Soviets should be torn down.
But a few posters made some very inciteful comments.
Firstly, and most people forget this, WW II was STARTED by Germany and THE USSR. They were allied thugs!
Getting back to monuments, other posters said the Red Army suffered immensely to liberate Poland. Well all the suffering of Russia were brought upon itself. Don't you think? The Russians as a whole brought misery upon themselves. How come when the Red Army "liberated" Poland they did not leave like the liberators left after freeing Italy, France, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. Instead the Red Army stripped Poland of everything and carted it back to help rebuild Russia. They then stayed as "liberators" for almost fifty years.
It's an UNFORUNATE thing that we have to leave Confederate graveyards in the USA and Red Army graveyards in Poland alone.
It's unfortunate because I'm going to express my opinion. Many might be disturbed by my opinion but so be it. All these graves, both in the USA and Poland, should be dug up, ground up, and used for road fill. The same for ALL the monuments. But of course, this won't happen. Why? Because it cost too much money$$$ !!!
Sometimes mention of erasing history comes up. Definitely not so. If you want to know about evil Confederates or the Red Army, that's why we have libraries with history books written by professional historians. You don't need a repressive (mostly ugly) Soviet monument or a slave owning rebel general glaring down at us. That teaches us nothing.
A few posters also mentioned that Poland has no reason to like or respect Russia. It's mentioned that Poland should not be grateful to anything the Russians did. Another poster said "The Russians are our mortal enemy and who should expect nothing less from them."
Well surprise! Surprise! These words are NOT harsh enough. Think about it! Do you realize that Russia has been a cancer on European history FOREVER !!! Whatever iteration it existed in, czarist, Soviet, Federation, IT HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT TROUBLE FOR EUROPE AND EVENTUALLY THE WORLD.
In the USA, for my entire life and the generations before me, RUSSIA HAS BEEN THE SINGLE GEATEST EVIL THAT HAS ANTAGONIZED THE WORLD.
Finally, one poster said that Polish people should not get upset. That it was a long time ago. That it was Stalin's time. Why dwell in the past? That it's so stupid.
I don't know if this poster was joking or not but he is very dangerous. It's people like him that want to forget the past. "Let bygones be bygones" as they say. Don't dwell on the past he babbles.
Well folks the past is history. Whether we like it or not that history shapes us today. That poster wants you to forget it. Russia evidently loves to keep repeating the past and along the way causes misery for many other people. It seems to be the nature of being Russian!
Never forget! That's why Russia is a cancer, SHE HAS NEVER DONE ONE IOTA OF GOOD IN ALL OF HISTORY. PERIOD !!!