ev reasercher
19 Aug 2017
Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]
Hi, just read all the posts and found the topic very interesting. You all seem to have a good knowledge about ev industry so I am happy to see Your point of view. I got some basic knowledge, a few experiences and keep my eyes open. Have you heard a joke: Should Warsaw be ashamed of it's public toilet system? No, it shouldn't. It doesn't have any. It can be funny or not as a joke but that's a fact. Let's make things more serious. Why Musk is not building a factory in Poland (no matter if it's worth it or not)? Just google: 'polish government', see the faces and You will know why. I may not be right and I my lack of information abut polish government policy but things can be simple as that - see the faces and answer if there are any potential ev car owners.
Charging stations are not the problem in Poland as they were rising up since a decade in Warsaw and probably in other cities. Still they were not used for years. I suppose it was not only a long term plan to swith to electric cars or green energy, rather EU cash that had to be spent no matter what. Since we differ from every other open minded country there's no chance we will have electric cars soon in Poland. We are a poor country - don't forget about it. You may not see that from the charts and YouTube but that's true (Am I talking like Trump? Sorry for that, but that's true). Electric cars are the last thing Polish people will buy and the goverment will spent more money on supporting minings than promoting ev industry, ecology or space projects during next decades. Changes in law that are needed to grow positive trends and changes take much longer than in other EU countries. I was trying to make one ev vehicle legal to ride in Poland and after a while it was sure that nothing can be done - only a death of a user or a serious accident will make things clear in one moment, didn't find volounteers though. Even if there were any the decision would be: it is not allowed to drive this vehicle, which was obvious from the begining but not stated clear in the law. Making business with all the eco/ev/green things is a risky one in Poland since there are not so many enthusiasts in the public sector that will help You. You will find questions, problems, forms and paperwork and You will be a person that disturbs the stability of the system.
From all the people I know I got one friend riding a home made ev bike, two ev golf carts owners, and one company selling ev vehicles - probably more than an average Warsaw citizen. Nobody owes an electric car. I want to buy a ev bike, ev motorbike and ev car to test if it makes sense and to sell those. I am pretty sure that I am the only person that can convince my friends to have one. The government can convince them but it will take ages. Car dealers may do it but we didn't run ouf oil yet so it will be take a decade or two since they are interested in selling those. In my opinion only thing that can grow ev market faster is supporting the early begginers. I was a beta tester of PLAY. They gave me a smartphone and I had the opportunity to make video calls and browsing web many many years ago - it was like SF to me. Play is the leader of the mobile market in Poland now. The same should be done with ev products. Without providing ev products to early begginers in won't grow. If I had the opportunity to ride any ev car I want I would make the market grow at least 1% (beiing 1 person in Poland). More or less one thousand ev cars was registered in Poland in 2016. Selling 1% from 1000 is 10 pcs. That's one B2B client. If there are 10 companies interested in ev market in PL they should give away at least 10 vehicles per one big city to be used, lent and promoted by early begginers. There are many people that cannot afford to have ev bike, ev motorbike, ev car but there is plenty of them that can have one no matter what the price is. The reason why it is not growing faster is reachability. Till Your friend doesn't have ev vehicle that You can ride for fun - You won't buy it. There are many other options like rentals and shops in best locations, but there are not many people willing to risk so much.
Since few days I am making a small reaserch willing to extend my offer to ev products. It is not that simple to find a company that sells ev products in Poland, especially when it goes about a product that is produced in Poland that can be promoted and exported to EU and other countries. Most of them are small comapnies, kickstarter projects and from investors' or customers' point of view it is not an easy choice. I will be very happy to talk about ev buisness in Poland with You, please forgive my foolish atitude but that's how I see that topic - it's one of many things that will not move forward without enthusiasts, early begginers or crazy investors. I will make more reaserch and will be happy to share my point witth You. I will act as a mystery shopper/potential customer and investor. Please share Your ideas and questions as I will try to find the answers for the next few months.
Hi, just read all the posts and found the topic very interesting. You all seem to have a good knowledge about ev industry so I am happy to see Your point of view. I got some basic knowledge, a few experiences and keep my eyes open. Have you heard a joke: Should Warsaw be ashamed of it's public toilet system? No, it shouldn't. It doesn't have any. It can be funny or not as a joke but that's a fact. Let's make things more serious. Why Musk is not building a factory in Poland (no matter if it's worth it or not)? Just google: 'polish government', see the faces and You will know why. I may not be right and I my lack of information abut polish government policy but things can be simple as that - see the faces and answer if there are any potential ev car owners.
Charging stations are not the problem in Poland as they were rising up since a decade in Warsaw and probably in other cities. Still they were not used for years. I suppose it was not only a long term plan to swith to electric cars or green energy, rather EU cash that had to be spent no matter what. Since we differ from every other open minded country there's no chance we will have electric cars soon in Poland. We are a poor country - don't forget about it. You may not see that from the charts and YouTube but that's true (Am I talking like Trump? Sorry for that, but that's true). Electric cars are the last thing Polish people will buy and the goverment will spent more money on supporting minings than promoting ev industry, ecology or space projects during next decades. Changes in law that are needed to grow positive trends and changes take much longer than in other EU countries. I was trying to make one ev vehicle legal to ride in Poland and after a while it was sure that nothing can be done - only a death of a user or a serious accident will make things clear in one moment, didn't find volounteers though. Even if there were any the decision would be: it is not allowed to drive this vehicle, which was obvious from the begining but not stated clear in the law. Making business with all the eco/ev/green things is a risky one in Poland since there are not so many enthusiasts in the public sector that will help You. You will find questions, problems, forms and paperwork and You will be a person that disturbs the stability of the system.
From all the people I know I got one friend riding a home made ev bike, two ev golf carts owners, and one company selling ev vehicles - probably more than an average Warsaw citizen. Nobody owes an electric car. I want to buy a ev bike, ev motorbike and ev car to test if it makes sense and to sell those. I am pretty sure that I am the only person that can convince my friends to have one. The government can convince them but it will take ages. Car dealers may do it but we didn't run ouf oil yet so it will be take a decade or two since they are interested in selling those. In my opinion only thing that can grow ev market faster is supporting the early begginers. I was a beta tester of PLAY. They gave me a smartphone and I had the opportunity to make video calls and browsing web many many years ago - it was like SF to me. Play is the leader of the mobile market in Poland now. The same should be done with ev products. Without providing ev products to early begginers in won't grow. If I had the opportunity to ride any ev car I want I would make the market grow at least 1% (beiing 1 person in Poland). More or less one thousand ev cars was registered in Poland in 2016. Selling 1% from 1000 is 10 pcs. That's one B2B client. If there are 10 companies interested in ev market in PL they should give away at least 10 vehicles per one big city to be used, lent and promoted by early begginers. There are many people that cannot afford to have ev bike, ev motorbike, ev car but there is plenty of them that can have one no matter what the price is. The reason why it is not growing faster is reachability. Till Your friend doesn't have ev vehicle that You can ride for fun - You won't buy it. There are many other options like rentals and shops in best locations, but there are not many people willing to risk so much.
Since few days I am making a small reaserch willing to extend my offer to ev products. It is not that simple to find a company that sells ev products in Poland, especially when it goes about a product that is produced in Poland that can be promoted and exported to EU and other countries. Most of them are small comapnies, kickstarter projects and from investors' or customers' point of view it is not an easy choice. I will be very happy to talk about ev buisness in Poland with You, please forgive my foolish atitude but that's how I see that topic - it's one of many things that will not move forward without enthusiasts, early begginers or crazy investors. I will make more reaserch and will be happy to share my point witth You. I will act as a mystery shopper/potential customer and investor. Please share Your ideas and questions as I will try to find the answers for the next few months.