Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2773]

@Novichok


Nope, we are just better at looking at statistics. You are more likely to use those gun against yourself, your family, or your family uses it to harm itself. Facts matter. Your gun is making your family more unsafe.


You mean events like this?

Child firing Uzi at Ariz. shooting range accidentally kills instructor, police say

cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html

There are states in which people are not allowed to drink alcohol or drive a car until they are 21, but some people seem to believe it is perfectly fine to let children handle guns.

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@Novichok


That is not how statistics work. With cars you look at the benefits of a car (greater mobility et al.) and compare them with other methods of transportation and their associated risks.

With guns it is easier since you can weigh their supposed benefit (protection, lifes saved) versus the lifes they claimed but were not supposed to.

And statistically speaking you are more likely to harm yourself and/or your loved ones than to shoot an intruder with. Guns make the life of their owners and all others more unsafe.

@johnny reb


Nonsense. If a person does not know how to drive, he'll be severely limited in his mobility and possibly job opportunities. Having sex is something natural everybody will want to experience, and we know from history that banning alcohol does more harm than good. But there is zero reason why a minor should learn how to handle a gun. He does not need it for his daily life, it poses further risks for him and others and given the right laws, it will be very difficult to ever get his hands on them unsupervised. Most people in Poland never used a gun in their life, nor did they have the need for it.

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@johnny reb


18 and of course only after passing a psychological evaluation.

@Novichok


Just repeat after me: Your gun endangers you and your loved ones. Your family is real, that dangerous intruder just part of your imagination. If you love your family, get rid off your gun. Your activities on this forum does not convince anybody that you are capable of handling your gun in an emergency.

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@johnny reb


And do you think that is reasonable? I get it that hunting may have been a necessary skill to learn as early as possible in rural areas 200 years ago, but today? The USA is a civilized country with what I can only assume broad access to supermarkets. Children should not have access to guns period. If they want to get extra fresh food, they can always go fishing.

@Novichok


Leaving aside the risk of accidental discharges. Living without cars or bathtubs is difficult, they pose little risk while offering great benefits. Guns do not offer any tangible benefits while posing great risks to yourself and your family. Living without them has no impact on your daily life, but your family will thank you for it. "At least now grandpa is less likely to shoot me" would be a very reassuring thought for them.

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [2351]

They also do not invade their neighbours on a regular basis.

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US House passes $95 billion Ukraine, Israel aid package, sends to Senate

reuters.com/world/us/us-house-vote-long-awaited-95-billion-ukraine-israel-aid-package-2024-04-20/

Thank you USA! So glad that some Republicans came around and saw reason.

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@Novichok


The money will be used to pay for American made weapons, in other words subsidize American jobs. Other countries will buy even more American weapons. Defeating Russia will benefit the USA in its struggle with China, since Russia is China's most valuable pawn and increase American prestige with its' European and Asian allies.

But I am sure you know all of this. You are just unhappy not because you believe this to be a waste of American tax money, but because you want to see Putin win.

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What?

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This is just cringe...

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Pacta sunt servanda.
If it wants to be seen as a country that adheres to the rule of law and is part of the civilized world, then yes.

Russia has acknowledged Ukrainian independence and territorial integrity in the strongest possible terms. There are no unilateral take-backs.


Fixed that for you.

@Korvinus


Flawless logic. Second only to the claim that they fear NATO, yet start and continue a war that has objectively weakened their position against NATO in every way.

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@Korvinus


Indeed. Which really just adds to the negative effects of Putin's legacy for Russia. Not only has the war proven utterly disastrous for Russia, it was also completely avoidable.

Imagine the world we would live in today from a Russian point of view if Putin had taken the diplomatic victory that was offered to him in January 2022. Russian prestige and military reputation would still beincredibly high in the eyes of the world, while the USA would still be reeling from the defeat in Afghanistan. Russia would still be trading with the West at favourable conditions, while the relevance of NATO in the perception of its' members would continue to decline. A lot of the ressources that went into the war could have be invested into Russia (those not stolen by Putin and his entourage of course), preventing the mounting failures in Russian infrastructure, which is only getting worse with time.

But yeah, fighting a multi-year full-scale war over heavily destroyed territory that is heavily undermining Russia's economic development and geostrategic position is much more preferable... .

Reminds me of how historians sometimes ask the question: "How would Hitler have been perceived today if he stopped after Munich 1938".

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@mafketis


Everything that is wrong with Russia in a nutshell. Parroting Russian propaganda (SMO), lack of empathy, greed, useless authorities.

The only thing missing was the obligatory "If only comrade Putin knew...."

And it is only downhill from now on for them.

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Always asking the same, long debunked questions. Can't you be more creative.

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@Velund


Several users on this forum, myself included. It just gets tiresome at some point.


For example, it is objectively false to claim that the USA invaded Korea. The US came to the defense of South Korea at the request of the UN security council and in accordance with international law.

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Says the person who knows nothing about history, democracy, international law and parrots the same lies over and over again.

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@Novichok

See my post about Korea for a start.

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@Novichok

"If the US had a legal and moral justification to intervene in Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Ukraine, adjusting for distance and ethnic issues, Russia has 100 times more reasons to intervene in Ukraine."

The US came to the defense of South Korea at the request of the UN security council and in accordance with international law.

Russia can make none of those arguments regarding Ukraine.

Distance and ethnic issues are irrelevant in international law which you would know, if you knew anything about it.

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Thanks for confirming 1765 ;)

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Something to lighten the mood:

Putin's Propagandists Rage Against the Republican 'Betrayal

Kremlin mouthpieces are having a hard time explaining why a supposedly sympathetic US Congress has just passed a huge military aid package for Ukraine

Beneath the seething anger is an unspoken truth - that the enormous US aid package seriously complicates Russia's realistic path to victory and ensures yet more tens of thousands of young Russians will suffer death and dismemberment. The evidence of enormous casualties is available for all to see in the swelling graveyards of the homeland.

Despite the boasting and bluster, Russians are suffering under the weight of Putin's war of aggression and the cracks are starting to show. Appearing on The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov last week, Karen Shakhnazarov urged fellow propagandists to start telling the truth about Russia's internal struggles and its many problems.

cepa.org/article/putins-propagandists-rage-against-the-republican-betrayal/

News / Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10 [2351]

The UK and Germany have unveiled plans to jointly develop the Remote-Controlled Howitzer 155mm Wheeled Artillery System (RCH 155), which will be mounted on Boxer armoured vehicles.

This announcement was made during a meeting between Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in Berlin.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-to-purchase-boxer-based-rch155-artillery-systems/

Pretty good news overall. For the UK and Germany that is a given, but also for Ukraine who will receive the first RCH 155 this year, since more orders means an increase in production capabilities, which means a faster delivery of future orders. Not to mention that the combat experience of the RCH 155 in Ukraine will allow further improvements for the design.

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@jon357


That is what I like to imagine. Alternatively one source got caught/discovered and then revealed several others.

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I wish we could go back to the days when migrants seemed like our biggest concern...

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2773]

@jon357


Arguments from gun nuts in a nutshell.

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@Novichok


Hence we have a well-armed police force.


Police officers may realistically find themselves in situations in which guns can be useful. Whereas civilians with guns are statistically more of a danger to themselves or others. Police officers have undergone intensive, often-years long training and various psychological testing in order to prepare them an make sure they are fit to handle a gun responsibly.

Your mind may still be living in the Wild West, but times have changed. If you love your family, get rid of your gun.


As always, you might want to read up on your history. Here is a hint: People who spoke and thought like you gave us WWII when they got a chance to act on their depraved impulses.

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No, they don't. The statistics are very clear on this.


Without the Nazis, there would not have been WW2 period.


It is the only right and safe thing to do. They are trained professionals. When your grandchild has an appendicitis, you dont get your knife and operate on her yourself. You drive her to a hospital.


Only to yourself, your family, and anyone in your vicinity. Do the right thing, get rid of your guns. Those intruders are just in your head, your family is real.


Seems like a no-brainer to me. Not trying to be unpolite here, but this whole gun thing seems irrational to me. It makes everyone more unsafe and it causes a lot of other issues down the line (my suspicion is that police brutality is such an issue in the US partly because US police officers have to be a lot more forceful and careful in their interaction with civilians, since anyone could carry a gun).

Even if owning a gun is a right, there should be checks in place to make sure that the person is mentally stable and knows what he is doing. Don't know how the situation is in Poland, but I am currently looking into acquiring a hunting license in Germany. It is quite a long way, but I think the conditions (completing mandatory training over several weeks, background checks and irregular checks on how I store my gun) are reasonable.

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@Ironside


They are, but building those factories takes time, even if your country is not actively bombarded.

english.nv.ua/business/rheinmetall-to-build-at-least-four-manufacturing-facilities-in-ukraine-50401282.html

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Russia has the chance to end this war at any moment. All it needs to do is to withdraw from Ukraine.