Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [141]


I'm Orthodox
What is your denomination?

Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [141]

Each strict Christian. Not arians as The society of watch tower

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

Because today Lithuania isn't the same thing than Great Duchy of Lithuania, non ethnic state. So those who call themselves Poles now show only that they don't feel themselves ethnic Zmudzin. Nothing more.

Adam Mickiewicz could also declare himself Pole now in Wilno although in his time he wrote he was Lithuanian

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

I repeat: there is the difference between the historical meaning of Lithuanian and its today meaning.
According to old meaning there are no Poles in lands of Great Lithuania. All are Lithuanians

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

A German style is the part of civilization you feel part?
As to me nothing better than a poor folwark exists.

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

In my opinion you confuse ethnic Zmudzins and Lithuanians in general. That id due to "Polonization" propaganda in the second half of 19 century. There were no Poles in Great Duchy of Lithuania even in the early 19 century. Only Lithuanians


A good man for Russia.

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

I repeat my question:
Against Lithuanians (residents of former Great Duchy of Lithuania) or Zmudzin nationalists?
You wrote they wanted to be Poles but all your story means the weren't Zmudzins nationalists only. That is the reason for my question

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]


Against Lithuanians or Żmudzin nationalists?

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

Which kind of Lithuanian origin you mean? Ethnic Jemojts as the ancestors of Radziwil or all Lithuanian szlachta in general (205 Jamojts and 805 Slavs)?

I don't mean blood law. Only Ground law. Residence in lands of Great Duchy of Lithuania before 1795 and in correspondent districts after.


What signs of that do you have?

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

Lukasz your ancestors were Lithuanians. Your heart is Lithuanian?

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]

Doing one work you may do another at the same time

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]

There was a body called Senate of Russian Empire. Within it there was a Department of Geroldia ( Департамент Герольдии). Poles and Lithuanians adressed copies of burth rates and documents on property in past to confirm nobility. You may learn mani details from that documents.

First consult Seweryn Uruski if your surnames are before letter R

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]


You may look for ancestors documents in Sain Petersbourg as I did

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]

Shall you mention exact names of gmins? That is very interesting. I payed much attention to Suwalki powiat and neighbouring lands. My grandgrandmother was born in Grodno

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]

They don't seem to be a small szlachta as my mother's ancestors.
I wrote only that I can hardly imagine Clan admission of smal families of some 1-2 wolokas


Wasn't that Great Duchy of Lithuania before 17 century? I write about Suwalki

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]

For small Lithuanian szlachta it may be in many cases doubtful.

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]

Oh!!! I'm so ignorant!!!
Maybe it was told that duke dissapeared, not their relatives

Well I remember now. My grandgrandmother was of Lubicz as everybody of Onichimowski surname from Wolkowysk powiat.
But I don't pay attention to Coat of arms because their reception is so dark in Lithuania.

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]


No persons who didn't hear about that family.


That is something new to such ignorant person as I. I thought Radziwil surname disappeared in 19 century because last men of this family didn't have sons.


To defend Lithuanian Independence!


What is the name of this Coat of arms?

History / Poland's January Uprisings of 1863 [86]

Was that man your ancestor? Was yur family Suwalki resident? Do your ancestors precede from Suwalki powiat from dark centuries?
Where did they live in powiat and what do you know about their way of life?


Very interesting thing. Did you manage to find socuments on nobility confirmations in 1815-1830 and 1835-1855? Many details can be learned from these papers


Do you mean some of your ancestors were from Crown and some from Lithuania?

Are 1863 among your famoliars mentioned in lists of arested people?

Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [141]


That is very interesting but what about Christians in this forum?

I was impressioned by the news about a Polish woman who didn't abandoned her wounded husband (a railway worker) for 19 years he was out of conciousness away from any contact with the world as a vegetal.

She tried to moove him every hour during all these years.
For me that was the best news about Poland. The most glorious today because such women should exist more in Poland.
Michal, I suspect such women were in UK in Victorian age only. As to thiefs they are abundant in all states

Poles, what do you know about her? Is she strict Catholic?
It was told that married couple had 6 children

Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [141]

Grzegorz,

The question was about Christians on this forum not about thiefs. Don't permit Michal keep you away from subject.
As to Michal I can't understand him. Ha has a Polish wife and his child has a Polish mother. I'm sure he doesn't think so.

Michal, Чего Вы здесь всех обижаете. Я же общаюсь с русофобами спокойно, а чем поляки могут обидеть англичанина?

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

Were these the names of villages German nobels owned or their own surnames? Were Prussian nobels of Slav origin?

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

Witek,

Can you give us the explication of nobel Prussian surnames ending by "c". Isn't it the Slav transformed "cz"? Does that mean that these nobels are of Slav origin or the villages they owned were Slavs?

Life / Gypsies or Roma: European and Polish attitudes towards [87]


I'm sure nobody all over the world can be in competition with Romanians (Gipsies as well as Romania residents).
Don't be angry, Grzegorz.

Life / Gypsies or Roma: European and Polish attitudes towards [87]


Romanians mean Gipsies or people from Romania?

Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]


Quite an interesting phenomenon. In 17 century Lach was the only term in Russian for Roman Catholic szlachtic from the Crown. Sometimes Russians called Roman Catholics from Litwa also az Lachy. That was quite neutral and the only term for Poles.

Now it may be derrogatory in Russian but not in all cases (for example for Russian historian it is quite neutral and historical). As to its derrogatory sense now, it in my opinion came from West Ukraine. It could be also neutra there but some old west Ukranians hated all Poles since Austrian period.

As to Russians they seem to know nothing of derrogative names of Poles. Sometimes the expression Pszek is used but very few Russians know it (I learned it first when I was 42 years old from a Polish article). That occures because Russian man in the street knows very little about Poles and doesn't have contacts with them at all and Rissian mass media inform only about meal problem and few Polish activities in EU. As to antimissil challenge, it is described as complete USA creation. You see, no possibility to invent any derrogative name

Life / Gypsies or Roma: European and Polish attitudes towards [87]


Espana, as Spanish I'm sure you can tell us much about Gipsies. There are many Gipsies in Spain and Latin America and Spanish people seem to know well their traditions

Life / Gypsies or Roma: European and Polish attitudes towards [87]


In Russia the say they are a trube who came from India some 1000 years ago. They usually have strict and well organized communities, their leaders called as Baro (some people confund it with Baron - so the term Gipsy Baron appeared). They have an internal legislature and a great division between attitude toward people within the community and abroad. There are many good customs within the community: nobody can stael anything that belongs to another Gipsy family, wimen don't commit adulterium (but not men) no abortions at all. But as to the world outside Gipsy community, no rules are active. It is possible to steal, to sell drugs etc.

The main deficiency in my opinion is that young Gipsies who want to leave the community and live among other people are usually threatened. I at least suspect that

Genealogy / I am 1/8 Polish on my mother's side - not Polish enough / Lithuania and Zmudz in Poland's ancestry [110]

I thought much about ethnic Lithanian people in Lithanian Szlachta.
I came to the conclusion that even at the beginning of 15 century despite the fact many of them could speak Lithuanian in their families, the majority already received Slav surnames. The surnames of szlachta appeared during the creation of lists of militia (so called Popis). In Litwa they were all composed in Russian. The surname as rule was formed by father's name according to Russian standarts. If an ethnic Lithuanian had a father by the name of Pawel he became Pawlowicz and not Pavlauskas as today.

Sometimes we can suspect (only suspect) an ethnic Lithanian origin. When the surname derives drom a name that Orthodox people don't have. For example Franckiewicz or Stankewicz. The majority of ethnic Lithuanians were Roman Catholics and very few Rusins in Litwa of 16 century

Witek

Did you notice any movement toward polonization of surnames in Lithuania in 17 century?
I know notning about that but some facts make me suspect that.
For example in the list of militia in Litwa in 1519 some 95% of Lithanian szlachta surnames have suffix -wicz and there are only very few surnames with suffix -ski.

As to 18 century, I think some 50% of surnames had suffix -ski.
We can suppose the majority of surnames with suffix -ski may appear in late 16-17 centuries when szlachta nubber was multiplicated in Litwa and new families with new surnames (already polonized) appeared. Besides that many old Lithanian families-clans separated in 16-17 centuries into different new families that received new surnames.

But there are still doubts...
For example in the List of militia of 1519 only one family with Rusin surname Anisimowicz was mentioned and the family was from Wolkowysk (sorry for possible wrong spelling). There were no Anisimowicz in 18 century as far as I know, but family Onichimowski was well known in Wolkowysk powiat in 18 century.