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Kartofel   
25 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

Warsaw is not whole Poland, please try to remember that. It's hard to deny that compared to the past the ammount of Jews in Poland is very, VERY small. I don't want to say I would be against Jews coming to Poland, I just want to say that we don't have a big group of Jews in Poland.

Some of the Jews nowadays tend to have a view about everything East of Germany, including Germany, being anti-semitic and as such automatically stay away from it. It wasn't the first nor the second time I heard the phrase "yehudi" has previously expressed in this thread - "מכל המדינות בעולם דווקא בפולין אתה רוצה לחיות?" - "From all the countries in the world, you wanna live specifically in Poland?"

I am very disappointed by the way the Israeli schools choose to label Poland. As you all probably know, teenagers come every year from almost all of the schools in Israel to visit the death camps, ghettos and forests in which Jews were executed. If they're lucky, and the school has enough money, they also visit the old town in Kraków, go shopping in Warsaw's malls or visit a Polish village to see life there.

And that's where the problem lies - more often than not, the school - whether out of paranoia or out of simple ignorance - talks about the antisemitism in Poland of the 30's and the 40's, and how the students should watch themselves in the streets and they put fear into them by telling them they will have to be protected during the whole trip and that they must look out all the time so that they wouldn't be attacked.

When you bring this together with what the students are exposed to during their visit to the camps, the poor teenagers get the feeling that "Poland=Antisemitism, Camps and Jewish death".

As a Jew whose family died in the Holocaust, I'm not saying that the Holocaust should be forgotten, and I know how important it is to preserve its memory - but I can't stand to hear about students coming to Poland for 3 days just to do a "Death camps marathon" and fly back to Israel. It's not fair towards Poland, no matter the history. They should show the true Poland more, and not fear the Poles as much as they do now. I think it's the mutual fear of "What could happen" and "What would happen" that keeps the two sides from getting along as well as they could.

By the way, I've said it earlier but I'll say it again - I think that if the religion was to be seperated completely from the state, it'd do Poland only good and open the door for it to become the most advanced country in Eastern Europe by far.
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

If I can speak from my experiences with Polish-Americans here, especially of the 50+ group, unfortunately, while not actively anti-Semitic, many do harbour anti-Jewish sentiment

Tbh, I don't really mind the American Poles. In general, all the 50+ fellas are usually more problematic yet they matter less, being older now.
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

I do wonder sometimes whether its just a kind of paranoia among us and nothing serious in truth, which is why I opened this thread. :)

Thank you all again :)
Might I ask where are you originally from?

P.S. The narrator in that clip has an awfully-bold Israeli accent XD
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

Why ask these people? You should ask Jews who live there how it feels.

As to your first question: Why not? Why would it be better to live in Muslim-packed countries like France, Sweden or England where it's obviously worse to be Jewish?

I ask these people because this is a Polish forum, with (mostly) Polish people, so I trust them to know their own country well enough to answer me. Are you implying they're biased?

If you live in Poland, why don't you tell me then? :)
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

I thought you said your Polish decent?

Let me re-explain :)
Judaism is present in two forms, or rather - divided - into two forms: The religion and the ethnicity.
Some, like I, consider Judaism to be like an ethnic part of the person - So since I was born as a Jew I will always be a Jew whether I believe in god or not. I do respect the Jewish tradition, celebrate Jewish holidays and know the Jewish culture - However I am an atheist, which would make me a kind of "foul" Jew in the eyes of the religious Jews. Some of them say whoever doesn't believe in god and follows his orders in his daily life isn't really a Jew, but I know that no matter what - I will still be considered a Jew by most people because I was born to a purely Jewish family. (BTW, I know Atheists are a kind of problem in Poland themselves, thanks to the church again, but I really don't worry about that since I never really take pride in my Atheism and, being a Jew, I don't think they'd even care anyway like they would if I were Christian)

As for the true part of ethnicity - I am Israeli - first and foremost, before I am Jewish. When people ask me to define my ethnicity I say I'm an Israeli, or an Israeli Jew of Polish descent. I know this might sound as if I was contradicting myself but my Judaism really isn't that big a deal to me.

The Polish descent is showing in some parts of my life; my grandparents speak Polish and I speak to them in Polish sometimes, and my mother is the perfect "Polish mother" stereotype (My grandma too of course) :P

We sometimes eat Polish-Jewish food, as I've said earlier in this thread we are all Polish citizens and in general we know a thing or two about the culture. :)

I am not ashamed of this, quite the contrary, which is why I would like to explore the country by living in it and experiencing life there. I feel I'd be much more comfortable relocationing there rather than anywhere else in Europe, as long as the old antisemitism problems are kept away. :)
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

First of all thank you all again for your opinions :) So if I understand correctly, the current form of antisemitism in Poland is mostly "sported" by a minority of now-older fellows, who also tend to do it more verbally and phylosophically let's say, rather than actually and actively spreading it? Furthermore, you say that today's generation is becoming rather oblivious to the whole idea - which is very good news to me.

I would truly like to be accepted should I ever decide to relocate - how do they treat foreigners with a polish background? I assume that most people could see me as "one of them" regardless of my religion? Especially considering the fact I'm by no means the stereotypical Jew ;).
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

I think that if it wasn't for the heavy influence of the church, things would've seemed much better for Poland in many aspects - not only the Jewish one, no offence of course... just my 2c being a nonreligious fella. It disappoints me to hear that Poland lacks in religious freedom, especially being a part of the "wrong" religion.
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

This type of things is what makes me hesitate and think about maybe favoring the much-less religious Czech republic over Poland. I do like Poland more as a country, but I think seeing such things so often might negatively affect my general feeling there, as if they wanted to remind me of the hatred and such. I don't know which way things are gonna go in the future but as far as I understand it, for the time being it has not yet fully perished from the common eye.
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

I still cannot come there, I'm stuck in Israel for the near future ;)
To be honest I've been to Poland twice and I absolutely loved it ... which is why I don't like hearing the bad stories some tell about it because I haven't experienced anything like this myself. My grandma left Post-war Poland under Gomułka's lead, and that was due to anti semitism. I know things have changed since, but it seems to me like both sides still hold grudges against each other deep inside.
Kartofel   
24 Apr 2014
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]

Hello,
Firstly I'd like to assure you that the title does not come with any accusations or anything of the sort.

As an Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent, and thinking about possibly relocation to Poland in the future, I would like to hear your most honest opinions - is modern-day Poland more Jewish-friendly (like its neighbouring Czech Republic for example ) than the "old", heavily church-influenced Poland?

Its no secret that Polish Jews have both prospered in Poland at times, and were later also, unfortunately, liquidated under Polish soil by the Nazis and their cooperators, which led to some known conflicts between the scarred Jews and Poles.

How would it feel to be a young Jew in Poland today? I'm a rather open minded person who really loves and enjoys Polish culture, as well as the language, which I have learnt with the help of the internet and my grandparents out of desire to speak the latters' language. I am also a Polish citizen through my family.

Seeing Poland as a kind of a potential second home, I am rather interested in relocating there in the future like I had earlier said, but I still have that slight worry, naturally, that I might not feel as comfortable, as a result of my religion. they do tend to exaggerate with the stories sometimes and I'm actually more certain that most Poles would welcome me to their country pleasantly, yet people keep reminding me of the past and the past and the past.

I must note I'm not religious at all, therefore more of an ethnic Jew than an actual religious Jew - but you know...

So please do share your opinions - be honest and please don't try to make things prettier than they really are, just in case of course... :)

Dziękuję serdecznie i Pozdrawiam z Izraela.:)
Kartofel   
30 Mar 2014
Work / Warsaw vs Kraków (Business and Study - planning to study and possibly live there for a while) [7]

Hey pals, first post here :) I've been looking through this forum for a while now and I've decided thatiI have a good enough reason to actively participate now ^^

I am a young fella from Israel, who speaks decent Polish and is during the process of acquiring a polish citizenship&passport through my Polish family origin, from Wrocław, Warszawa, £ódź and £ańcut to be specific ;).

I've been planning to study in Europe and possibly live there for a while now, and while Germany seems like a pretty comfortable option I also asked myself, naturally, what about Poland? I do, honestly, feel more connected to the culture and country in general, and I'm absolutely in love with the language.

As a guy with high hopes and strong motivation, I'd really like to hear your educated opinions as to where should I aim for in Poland if I seek to accomplish my goals of finding a good place to study, work and live in.

I've been to Poland twice, and while I can say Kraków is stunningly attractive for tourists for its rich history and special "vibe", Warsaw, albeit grey and somewhat dull compared to Kraków at first sight, seems more like a rapifly-developing business city with a bright future.

Any helpful opinions and/or insights will be highly appreciated! :)

Dziękuję bardzo i Pozdrawiam z Izraela! ;)