Dougpol1
22 Dec 2019
Dougpol1
22 Dec 2019
Law / Unwanted pregnancy in Poland - threats, rights [55]
The Poles don't ship their babies off anymore Rich - if they ever did. Children are not put up for adoption overseas. These new draconian abortion laws are designed to do just that - raise the population. A growing percentage of which will be unwanted and unloved children.
So wrong.
There's more. There's many a fine couple in their 70s, quite shaky on their feet, bringing up their grandchildren, mostly on their own. Struggling down the street with the shopping bags and the Kinder Surprise chocolate bars Where's the state support for them? I don't see the funds, the play centres, the mini-buses to transport them. All I see is state and church exploitation of an ageing population. Grandma will look after the child.
So VERY wrong.
the opportunity to adopt a brand new and undamaged baby in Poland
The Poles don't ship their babies off anymore Rich - if they ever did. Children are not put up for adoption overseas. These new draconian abortion laws are designed to do just that - raise the population. A growing percentage of which will be unwanted and unloved children.
So wrong.
There's more. There's many a fine couple in their 70s, quite shaky on their feet, bringing up their grandchildren, mostly on their own. Struggling down the street with the shopping bags and the Kinder Surprise chocolate bars Where's the state support for them? I don't see the funds, the play centres, the mini-buses to transport them. All I see is state and church exploitation of an ageing population. Grandma will look after the child.
So VERY wrong.
Dougpol1
22 Dec 2019
Law / Unwanted pregnancy in Poland - threats, rights [55]
Yes, yes - there is the old saying - very apt in this case, that "You've made your bed, now lie in it.."
But....if it were such that every man or boy who falls in love were to be put through the mill for an unwanted pregnancy, then what we would actually have is the exact opposite of the much politicised "family values" approach, where the romance is carried out under the eyes of the community, and there are nods and smiles all round (under the general assumption that the altar beckons in due course)
Instead we would get all types of Dicks and Harrys, refusing to be straight about themselves, just as the old days....
Oh wait! Poland is back in the 'Old Days', and to my mind it's ridiculous, and unworkable to hold the OP to account in the light of his story (and it is only his version of events)- unless promises were made and family can attest to same.
he had lots of other options
Yes, yes - there is the old saying - very apt in this case, that "You've made your bed, now lie in it.."
But....if it were such that every man or boy who falls in love were to be put through the mill for an unwanted pregnancy, then what we would actually have is the exact opposite of the much politicised "family values" approach, where the romance is carried out under the eyes of the community, and there are nods and smiles all round (under the general assumption that the altar beckons in due course)
Instead we would get all types of Dicks and Harrys, refusing to be straight about themselves, just as the old days....
Oh wait! Poland is back in the 'Old Days', and to my mind it's ridiculous, and unworkable to hold the OP to account in the light of his story (and it is only his version of events)- unless promises were made and family can attest to same.
Dougpol1
22 Dec 2019
Law / Unwanted pregnancy in Poland - threats, rights [55]
That's my point though. Who is going to pay for the kid? If you create a state where abortion is "illegal" then the state should write out the cheque. Otherwise it's a dictatorship. In this catholic world, often nobody pays, and the unwanted child has a miserable start in life, even though the girl "wanted" it. Only in relatively few cases do we learn a "wonderful" propaganda story about how IT whizz-kid Janusz, aged 23, has helped rebuild an orphanage where he spent ten years of his childhood, but through hard work and innate talent, now employs 200 programmers.
What about all of the rest of the kids? Madness. And all the fault of the church and their mind games and threats. But what can you do with the brainwashed masses?
abortion talk is bs without asking the kid.
That's my point though. Who is going to pay for the kid? If you create a state where abortion is "illegal" then the state should write out the cheque. Otherwise it's a dictatorship. In this catholic world, often nobody pays, and the unwanted child has a miserable start in life, even though the girl "wanted" it. Only in relatively few cases do we learn a "wonderful" propaganda story about how IT whizz-kid Janusz, aged 23, has helped rebuild an orphanage where he spent ten years of his childhood, but through hard work and innate talent, now employs 200 programmers.
What about all of the rest of the kids? Madness. And all the fault of the church and their mind games and threats. But what can you do with the brainwashed masses?
Dougpol1
22 Dec 2019
Life / Typical Polish house and family [46]
Because they owned strips of land behind the house. Here to help. As a previous poster says, take a look at Google maps. In 3D. You don't have to visit.
As for houses being cheaper than flats, it's all location,location,location.
It's called capitalism. Sorry for the sarcasm, but your tone comes over as not very sincere, for some reason which I can sniff - and my labrador agrees.
why Polish villages are in that way
Because they owned strips of land behind the house. Here to help. As a previous poster says, take a look at Google maps. In 3D. You don't have to visit.
As for houses being cheaper than flats, it's all location,location,location.
It's called capitalism. Sorry for the sarcasm, but your tone comes over as not very sincere, for some reason which I can sniff - and my labrador agrees.
Dougpol1
22 Dec 2019
Law / Unwanted pregnancy in Poland - threats, rights [55]
I'm sorry if you were of the opinion that I suggested such a thing. But if two people were in a relationship and were in agreement, as would be the perfect case in a utopian society, then the father would pay for the child's upkeep.
As it is, in this day of social security and social mobility, the state provides, and (because of the nature of Polands' catholic backward society) the extended family should dip in to help one would suppose. That's what the Irish used to do, and I had first hand experience of that. One of my gf's TEN sisters was in the same situation as this girl, and everybody chipped in.
There is no reason for the OP to be financially crucified until the nipper is 21 - and if such were indeed the case , that may go some way to explain why so many children are born into poverty in this country. As in, the girl possibly planned it to be so.
force the mother to have an abortion
I'm sorry if you were of the opinion that I suggested such a thing. But if two people were in a relationship and were in agreement, as would be the perfect case in a utopian society, then the father would pay for the child's upkeep.
As it is, in this day of social security and social mobility, the state provides, and (because of the nature of Polands' catholic backward society) the extended family should dip in to help one would suppose. That's what the Irish used to do, and I had first hand experience of that. One of my gf's TEN sisters was in the same situation as this girl, and everybody chipped in.
There is no reason for the OP to be financially crucified until the nipper is 21 - and if such were indeed the case , that may go some way to explain why so many children are born into poverty in this country. As in, the girl possibly planned it to be so.
Dougpol1
22 Dec 2019
Law / Unwanted pregnancy in Poland - threats, rights [55]
Pesel...though pixels might work here. Seriously, all this talk about "abortion is illegal in Poland" is irritating. So is driving at twice the speed limit, but people still do it. Especially those who are big enough that the law seemingly doesn't apply to them.
The OP is going to have his life altered through some draconian law, where the girl wants to keep the baby, even though it will never know its father.
It's the woman who's off her head, not the poster.
pixel number
Pesel...though pixels might work here. Seriously, all this talk about "abortion is illegal in Poland" is irritating. So is driving at twice the speed limit, but people still do it. Especially those who are big enough that the law seemingly doesn't apply to them.
The OP is going to have his life altered through some draconian law, where the girl wants to keep the baby, even though it will never know its father.
It's the woman who's off her head, not the poster.
Dougpol1
20 Dec 2019
Life / Is there any other native English people living in Poland [8]
Thanks Maf. An excellent resource!
this lady's videos?
Thanks Maf. An excellent resource!
Dougpol1
16 Dec 2019
Classifieds / Polish lessons via Skype offer [19]
Tri-City, and Katowice, before that, were my home.
Has anybody ever told you that you can be an insufferably smug txxx?
I wouldn't dream of asking you why you settled in some small Polish town, and I will thank you to keep your nose out my little world at the same time. Thanks!
why someone would remain in a language environment that's unpleasant for them?
Tri-City, and Katowice, before that, were my home.
Has anybody ever told you that you can be an insufferably smug txxx?
I wouldn't dream of asking you why you settled in some small Polish town, and I will thank you to keep your nose out my little world at the same time. Thanks!
Dougpol1
16 Dec 2019
Classifieds / Polish lessons via Skype offer [19]
That's me. It requires work, and I'm listening to the Clapton record. I recommend it!
pure laziness of the worst kind.
That's me. It requires work, and I'm listening to the Clapton record. I recommend it!
Dougpol1
16 Dec 2019
Classifieds / Polish lessons via Skype offer [19]
It's Mafeketis way of feeling good, chastising those who stay on in the pub socialising, while he has to get back to his library 😂
He would know that most of us are reading and writing learners, and some us have/had a job to do, plus reading to the nipper at bedtime.
In English. Also there was the temptation that one couldn't be arsed.
Now, is Eric Clapton's album "Slowhand" a load of drunken country cack, or an audiophiles' dream, being well engineered, as it undeniably was?
That is a far more interesting question than whether the biernik declension should be used as to walking the dog, or when the dog is walking me.
who wants
It's Mafeketis way of feeling good, chastising those who stay on in the pub socialising, while he has to get back to his library 😂
He would know that most of us are reading and writing learners, and some us have/had a job to do, plus reading to the nipper at bedtime.
In English. Also there was the temptation that one couldn't be arsed.
Now, is Eric Clapton's album "Slowhand" a load of drunken country cack, or an audiophiles' dream, being well engineered, as it undeniably was?
That is a far more interesting question than whether the biernik declension should be used as to walking the dog, or when the dog is walking me.
Dougpol1
15 Dec 2019
Dougpol1
15 Dec 2019
Classifieds / Polish lessons via Skype offer [19]
ekoreptycja.pl
This forum is full of PolAms. By the way, Polish is such a hard language that I am impressed that you can teach it remotely. Wouldn't work for me. Same as piano lessons - got to be there.
the right place.
ekoreptycja.pl
This forum is full of PolAms. By the way, Polish is such a hard language that I am impressed that you can teach it remotely. Wouldn't work for me. Same as piano lessons - got to be there.
Dougpol1
15 Dec 2019
Life / Examples of popular Polish music? [992]
You may scoff Ironside:) But when we consider music theory, what is going to be "new"? So I prefer the old. Not as old as your suggestion though:)
your thing .
You may scoff Ironside:) But when we consider music theory, what is going to be "new"? So I prefer the old. Not as old as your suggestion though:)
Dougpol1
15 Dec 2019
Classifieds / Polish lessons via Skype offer [19]
Anna
There is nobody here on this forum to take up your offer unfortunately. Try one of the Polish job teaching sites. And please don't offer classes for free - you are seriously costing yourself time and money there. I would be inclined to be more self-sure, even if you are going to map out a specific approach such as lessons based on strict needs analysis.
Learners never appreciate the freebie and tend to take the pis.
My take.
2 first trial lessons for free
Anna
There is nobody here on this forum to take up your offer unfortunately. Try one of the Polish job teaching sites. And please don't offer classes for free - you are seriously costing yourself time and money there. I would be inclined to be more self-sure, even if you are going to map out a specific approach such as lessons based on strict needs analysis.
Learners never appreciate the freebie and tend to take the pis.
My take.
Dougpol1
15 Dec 2019
Life / Examples of popular Polish music? [992]
Details please. Now we're talking music! I don't get the love for this thread, Really scraping the barrel with the "new" music, especially some of the Polish derivative bands, who should just go and get a real job. We all know that proper music died when Rodger Hodgson left Supertramp:):)
Deep Purple Mark II
Details please. Now we're talking music! I don't get the love for this thread, Really scraping the barrel with the "new" music, especially some of the Polish derivative bands, who should just go and get a real job. We all know that proper music died when Rodger Hodgson left Supertramp:):)
Dougpol1
14 Dec 2019
News / Goodbye Sunday Shopping in Poland - Hello Electoral Reform [246]
Correct. For some weird reason Poles don't like space in stores. Only Auchan is hanging on.
I get the feeling
Correct. For some weird reason Poles don't like space in stores. Only Auchan is hanging on.
Dougpol1
14 Dec 2019
News / Goodbye Sunday Shopping in Poland - Hello Electoral Reform [246]
I realise there are few posters who actually live in Poland, but on a Saturday the queues are so long on the slip roads that many give up.
A lot of us don't have free time but on a Sunday, no. The same as in the UK. I work on a Saturday. Toodle pip.
I can't see a lot of retail outlets staying in business for much longer, along with the associated employment - and that is a good thing, how?
Are you really so disorganised that you need to shop on a Sunday??
I realise there are few posters who actually live in Poland, but on a Saturday the queues are so long on the slip roads that many give up.
A lot of us don't have free time but on a Sunday, no. The same as in the UK. I work on a Saturday. Toodle pip.
I can't see a lot of retail outlets staying in business for much longer, along with the associated employment - and that is a good thing, how?
Dougpol1
13 Dec 2019
News / Goodbye Sunday Shopping in Poland - Hello Electoral Reform [246]
The shops are open this Sunday......JIT. Lol.
Closed last Sunday - with the obvious results. Internet shopping is up, and a lot of retail space is poised to pull out of Poland in the New Year. According to my source, and he is the CEO of a top 50 company, and probably not a BS.
The shops are open this Sunday......JIT. Lol.
Closed last Sunday - with the obvious results. Internet shopping is up, and a lot of retail space is poised to pull out of Poland in the New Year. According to my source, and he is the CEO of a top 50 company, and probably not a BS.
Dougpol1
13 Dec 2019
Dougpol1
7 Dec 2019
Dougpol1
7 Dec 2019
News / New Polish traffic laws [25]
The driver in such a case should go to prison for 5 years. That will help them to concentrate properly. In the meantime, the Highways Agency needs to pull their finger out of their collective arses and get this confusion sorted and get a SAFE conclusion - instead of messing about with contraflows as with the new directive of 6th December.
Rant over - although I would love to meet the fools and tell them exactly what they can do with their abdication of care and responsibility.
It would be painful and they wouldn't be able to sit down for a while - which would be all well and good because they actually need to do something.
when they are half-way on a crossing.
The driver in such a case should go to prison for 5 years. That will help them to concentrate properly. In the meantime, the Highways Agency needs to pull their finger out of their collective arses and get this confusion sorted and get a SAFE conclusion - instead of messing about with contraflows as with the new directive of 6th December.
Rant over - although I would love to meet the fools and tell them exactly what they can do with their abdication of care and responsibility.
It would be painful and they wouldn't be able to sit down for a while - which would be all well and good because they actually need to do something.
Dougpol1
7 Dec 2019
News / New Polish traffic laws [25]
I'm glad you know the rules. No fukker here in Poland seems to. Confusion reigns - which is obviously how they like it.
In the UK - which PIS so totally dismissed as unworkable? Belusha beacons. The big yellow globes? So the driver can cleverly actually see where the damn pedestrian crossings are? Now - isn't that a clever concept. Been around a fair few decades.....
And the crossings are generally well lit, and in logical places. And if the pedestrian puts his foot into the road, the car has to stop - if safe to do so.
Simple, innit?
As far as I know
I'm glad you know the rules. No fukker here in Poland seems to. Confusion reigns - which is obviously how they like it.
how do they work?
In the UK - which PIS so totally dismissed as unworkable? Belusha beacons. The big yellow globes? So the driver can cleverly actually see where the damn pedestrian crossings are? Now - isn't that a clever concept. Been around a fair few decades.....
And the crossings are generally well lit, and in logical places. And if the pedestrian puts his foot into the road, the car has to stop - if safe to do so.
Simple, innit?
Dougpol1
7 Dec 2019
News / New Polish traffic laws [25]
Yes. And where are those weird Pol-Ams who keep saying we know nothing about Poland? Obviously they have never been to Poland, and could care less that their "compatriots" are being killed on a daily basis, because PIS saw how the British design their pedestrian crossings, and infamously came back with "British methods would never work in Poland because our people would not understand them"
I would say lol, if not for the fact that the Highways Department here is so dangerously inept - criminally so, in my book.
Yes. And where are those weird Pol-Ams who keep saying we know nothing about Poland? Obviously they have never been to Poland, and could care less that their "compatriots" are being killed on a daily basis, because PIS saw how the British design their pedestrian crossings, and infamously came back with "British methods would never work in Poland because our people would not understand them"
I would say lol, if not for the fact that the Highways Department here is so dangerously inept - criminally so, in my book.
Dougpol1
6 Dec 2019
Life / Describe Polish people in few words [11]
I returned to my second home of Katowice today for the weekend, and was struck by the rise in standard of living here - and how pleasant and cultured Silesia actually is today.
It's a far cry from the Poland of the past, where far too many people thieved from their neighbours and used the war and communism as an excuse for same.
"Oh sorry! We thought you wouldn't be needing that table..."
not likely to tolerate the slightest nonsense about their country!
I returned to my second home of Katowice today for the weekend, and was struck by the rise in standard of living here - and how pleasant and cultured Silesia actually is today.
It's a far cry from the Poland of the past, where far too many people thieved from their neighbours and used the war and communism as an excuse for same.
"Oh sorry! We thought you wouldn't be needing that table..."
Dougpol1
6 Dec 2019
News / New Polish traffic laws [25]
One hot off the press today.
From today, subject to fines for non-compliance - on a contraflow, cars must now merge one by one, as in, you must let the car next to you into your lane between you and the car in front of you. This seems to be working "OK.." in Katowice tonight , where I am, but is guaranteed to be an abject failure in cities where people are too far up their own arses - Warsaw, Krakow and Tri-City spring to mind....all that will happen is that drivers who through their "status" think they are entitled will zoom down the outside lane and intimidate those in the orderly queue.
In the meantime, the government has NO CLUE as to what to do about the pressing question of pedestrian safety on pedestrian crossings.
One hot off the press today.
From today, subject to fines for non-compliance - on a contraflow, cars must now merge one by one, as in, you must let the car next to you into your lane between you and the car in front of you. This seems to be working "OK.." in Katowice tonight , where I am, but is guaranteed to be an abject failure in cities where people are too far up their own arses - Warsaw, Krakow and Tri-City spring to mind....all that will happen is that drivers who through their "status" think they are entitled will zoom down the outside lane and intimidate those in the orderly queue.
In the meantime, the government has NO CLUE as to what to do about the pressing question of pedestrian safety on pedestrian crossings.
Dougpol1
1 Dec 2019
News / Will Poland tighten border control with Germany? [60]
Statistics? Actually, I haven't seen any....
People claiming to be refugees, most had no legtimiate claim.
Statistics? Actually, I haven't seen any....
Dougpol1
1 Dec 2019
News / Will Poland tighten border control with Germany? [60]
The "loyal" Poles - who despised and exploited their fellow Poles who were lucky enough to get short term visas in communist times, you mean? Yes - I knew some of them...
There was one Polish lady though - in the news - settled in the Uk after the war, who took in such people, fed them, and supported them on her own accord, and who fought the British Home Office and their scum gang every step of the way, on her wards' behalf. I can't remember her name. She must be dead now, but deserves Polish recognition
Read the Human Rights law. They are not "illegal immigrants" under that statute until proved to be so.
Yes. But try telling the Italians that. It's a long way from America. Not your problem. By an accident of birth. Until we have peace in Northern Africa, the migrants will keep coming. We should have let Gaddafi and the rest be.
us loyal Poles
The "loyal" Poles - who despised and exploited their fellow Poles who were lucky enough to get short term visas in communist times, you mean? Yes - I knew some of them...
There was one Polish lady though - in the news - settled in the Uk after the war, who took in such people, fed them, and supported them on her own accord, and who fought the British Home Office and their scum gang every step of the way, on her wards' behalf. I can't remember her name. She must be dead now, but deserves Polish recognition
foreign illegal migrants
Read the Human Rights law. They are not "illegal immigrants" under that statute until proved to be so.
the FIRST safe country.
Yes. But try telling the Italians that. It's a long way from America. Not your problem. By an accident of birth. Until we have peace in Northern Africa, the migrants will keep coming. We should have let Gaddafi and the rest be.
Dougpol1
1 Dec 2019
News / Will Poland tighten border control with Germany? [60]
Nobody is "letting anybody in". When boats of refugees make territory in a different continent they have to be admitted. It's called the 1951 convention on Human Rights..... You would have to rescind that first to deny them that human right.
But of course, you knew that..that is what is so tedious about debating the facts with you sometimes. Rightly or wrongly, refugees have to be processed before they can be sent back to the continent of origin.
Many have the right to temporary stay - quite obviously. I never said it was the right policy. But it is international law. Do you want to be selective with which laws you apply?
(Border controls.....)
Evidence? Interesting, if it were true. Which it isn't.
given the western European tendency to let in tens or hundreds of thousands of unvetted young men
Nobody is "letting anybody in". When boats of refugees make territory in a different continent they have to be admitted. It's called the 1951 convention on Human Rights..... You would have to rescind that first to deny them that human right.
But of course, you knew that..that is what is so tedious about debating the facts with you sometimes. Rightly or wrongly, refugees have to be processed before they can be sent back to the continent of origin.
Many have the right to temporary stay - quite obviously. I never said it was the right policy. But it is international law. Do you want to be selective with which laws you apply?
Obviously it is the direction the EU is going.
(Border controls.....)
Evidence? Interesting, if it were true. Which it isn't.
Dougpol1
1 Dec 2019
News / Will Poland tighten border control with Germany? [60]
We (those of us who have lived here for 30 years) spent all that time praying for the relaxation of border controls. It's called freedom.
What does polling on such a question say? Anyway, it's mute. EU law is absolutely 100 percent clear on this, and has my 100 percent support, and that of the majority, who have faith in open borders.
border controls
We (those of us who have lived here for 30 years) spent all that time praying for the relaxation of border controls. It's called freedom.
What does polling on such a question say? Anyway, it's mute. EU law is absolutely 100 percent clear on this, and has my 100 percent support, and that of the majority, who have faith in open borders.