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Hipis   
7 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Wow. That was a quick response Harry, pity you can't provide a link to your lie that Gross never wrote what he did in his book and that he was being quoted out of context. Of the pre war population of Poland around 10% of the population claimed Jewish etnicity

Approximately 100,000 Jews fought in the Polish army against the German invasion. They made up 10% of the Polish army, commensurate with the percentage of Jews within the general population.

Just quoting you here Harry so we know we are both agreed that 10% of the Polish population was of Jewish etnicity. When you say approximately, what margin for error either way is there in this approximate figure?
Hipis   
7 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Please provide links to validate your statistical claims highlighted in bold and also provide a link to evidence to validate your claim that Gross has been quoted out of context.
Hipis   
7 Jul 2012
Travel / My holiday, Gdansk or Kaunus, Lithuania? Help me decide! [23]

I have been to Kaunas. Apart from a small, renovated old town area the rest of it is a dump. Agreed that Vilnius is a lot nicer but I'm not sure that it's worth spending 5 days there unless you want to use it as a base to go and see other places. I'd definitely recommend Gdansk. The old town is fantastic and Sopot is just a short train ride away. If you like old castles then Malbork is about an hour away on the train and is worth taking a day out of your schedule to see.
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

All you have offered us is a claim by somebody else that Gross said them and a translated claim at that.

Gross has his works published in both Polish and English as I am sure you are more than aware of. You are the one who has claimed it is only a Polish work. As Gross is fluent in both Polish and English I think he is more than capable of writing his own words equally well in both languages without the need for a translator. So, once again, show me proof to back up your comment.
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Yes, I know where the quote is from

Let's get over this one point and I will be more than happy to address many of the other points you have raised, I'll even let you choose which one we can tackle next but in the meantime, provide me with evidence to back up your statement, a statement that you made when you claimed you knew where the quote was from so thereofre no further need for me to prove to you that it was written by Gross as you have already acknowledged the fact. You were very quick to say you knew where it was from then go on to say it was taken out of context so therefore you must know this book very well to have made such a statement. Your words Harry, there for all to see. So what is it, you know the book well or you don't? You can back your statement up or you can't?
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

No Harry, the onus is on you to show that your statement is true. I am not doing your work for you. By refusing to back your statement up it is safe to assume you already know you it not to be true. Twist and turn as much as you like, try and divert attention to other issues as much as you like, you need to prove that the statement you made about what Gross wrote being taken out of context is true. If you are unable to do that then it is glaringly obvious that you know what you wrote to be false.
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Harry, you made the claim that Gross is being quoted out of context and it is something he wouldn't say. Prove that your claim has credibility. Stop trying to change the subject all the time. If you are so confident that your statement is true then show us the evidence to back it up.
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

That quote is from W czterdziestym nas Matko na Sybir zeslali. Polska-Rosja 1939-1942. The Author is Professor Jan T Gross, I am sure you have heard of him. I found that quote while researching the online archives about Polish-Jewish relations which are on the Yad Vashem site. You have heard of Yad Vashem I assume Harry?

yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%205416.pdf
If this excerpt from the book isn't true do you really think that Yad Vashem would have it on its site?

Now you can prevaricate and obfuscate as much as you want Harry but you still haven't shown to me

It is being quoted out of context to prove a point which Gross would never make

. Show me the evidence.
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

This thread went way off topic a long time ago. I am not disputing what you say about the ND's as I am of the same opinion but it would be a lot easier if you provided links to back things up. It saves a lot of arguments :)
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

There you go again Harry, distorting things to suit your own twisted reality. The only person here who thinks I am a liar is you. You're not even consistent with your arguments and the very fact that you cannot even provide any proof that Jan T Gross's writing has been taken out of context further goes to prove that your ramblings are your own personal opinions. Provide me with proof that what Gross wrote has been taken out of context, your fragile credibility could be strengthened somewhat if you can carry out this one piece of information.
Hipis   
6 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

I wonder if that would work if you were doing a degree - "if you want references try Google". I would have thought that when someone is making a claim about something then in order to prove they knew what they were talking about then a link should be provided eg when Harry said this

It is being quoted out of context to prove a point which Gross would never make.

he failed to provide any evidence to back this up. So if you have evidence about the NDs in pre war Poland being motivated by racism or anti Semitism then you should provide evidence to back up your statement. If you say it's readily available via a Google search then I'm sure you will have no trouble providing us with links just as I am sure Harry should have no trouble providing me with a link proving that what Gross wrote in his book was being quoted out of context. :)
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
Genealogy / my Polish Grandfather in Hitler Youth? HOW? [65]

Does it give an enlistment date? From 1944 onwards when the Nazis realised they were going to lose the war they were desperate for new recruits to bolster their flagging numbers. Many people from other nations were forcibly conscripted into the German ranks.
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Yes, I know where the quote is from:

ROFLMFAO Harry, if you knew where the quote was from you wouldn't have attacked me the way you did. You, my friend, have been caught out once again. I deliberately didn't use quote marks because I knew you would jump straight down my throat with a response claiming I was lying and true to form that is exactly what you did. Just as John Morrison didn't use quote marks when he posted his compilation of witness statements.

Now lets get back to other things, have you any idea what a summary is? Let me help you on this one. A summary, synopsis, or recap is a shorter version of the original. Such a simplification highlights the major points from the much longer subject, such as a text, speech, film, or event. The purpose is to help the audience get the gist in a short period of time.

The article: kamunikat.fontel.net/www/czasopisy/bzh/07/07art_wierzbicki.htm
is a 7,728 word document which details the events of the Skidel uprising, it states quite clearly who the participants were, it even gives the names of some of the main protagonists, yet you choose to quote a 67 word summary because that suits your blinkered view point. Or is it because the summary is in English and you don't understand Polish?

Don't go away Harry, I'm just getting warmed up :)
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Oh, I'm sorry Harry, I forgot to put my last post in quote marks and credit the author for his work.

That quote is from W czterdziestym nas Matko na Sybir zeslali. Polska-Rosja 1939-1942. The Author is Professor Jan T Gross, I am sure you have heard of him. I found that quote while researching the online archives about Polish-Jewish relations which are on the Yad Vashem site. You have heard of Yad Vashem I assume Harry?
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

The entering Red Army was greeted with joy by the Jews. Groups of Jews, sometimes quite large, did so in public in almost every locality taken over by the Soviet troops. Usually, they comprised youth and the poor, and among the Jews there were plenty of these, since poverty and high birth rate go together. Many enthusiastic supporters of the new regime showed up. Their numbers were sufficiently large to leave a lasting impression on the memory of not only Poles and the Ukrainians – whose testimonies can be suspected of lack of objectivity. The Jews themselves noticed their stupidity with the benefit of hindsight, writing that in the first period of the occupation their relations with the new arrivals from the East turned out very well.......
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Those quotes were actually by John Morrison. He is not from Eastern Poland and did not live there when the Red Army invaded in September 1939.

Those quotes are not from John Morrison, like I have said time and time again, he compiled a dossier of work from several sources and posted them on that Facebook page. He may not have been from Eastern Poland but his grandfather was.

Could you perhaps post where I claim that the referenced work makes no mention of Jews?

1) I didn't leave out the statement, it was and still is there for all to see, apart form you of course. Selective vision?
2) Considering the length of some of your posts I don't think it is necessary to quote a whole post when it is very easy for people to scroll back and see your entire post from which I am quoting.

I have no need to misrepresent you Harry, you do a good job of doing that on your own
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Remind me which of us is saying that some gentile Poles were good, some were evil, some Jews were good and some were evil

That would be me and subsequently you decided to copy me when your lies and half truths are then challenged and backed up with evidence.

which of us is claiming that all Jews were a fifth column and all Jews were like hungry dogs,

Neither of us. Those terms were used by people writing their memoirs of their lives in Eastern Poland after the Red Army invaded on September 17th 1939.

You are the one who wishes to take the events in small town and use that to support the lie that all Jews were a fifth column in Poland.

Again, something I haven't said. I do believe it was you who actually "cherry picked" that line, firstly accusing the compiler of statements an anti Semite and subsequently me.

The anti-semitism of Hipis' posts is clear for all to see

Really? My Jewish friends don't have any problems with anything I post on here. The only person who sees anti Semitism and bigotry in anything I post is you.

Yawn. Better luck next time with that tired old lie.

I'm afraid you don't help yourself Harry. You have posted many things in an attempt to discredit Poland yet will only back peddle when challenged and you have been proved to be wrong or you have found to be economical with the truth. I posted a small sample of quotes from the archives, there are many, many more I could have used but you carry on Harry, at least I can back my posts up with evidence, links, peer reviewed studies etc etc I eagerly await the next round of discourse.

PS I forgot to post this classic backtrack from Harry. First he claims no mention of Jews but in his very next post when it is pointed out to him that there are several references to Jewish proliteriat in the body of the referenced work his classic response is
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

There you go again Harry, the only defence you have when you get shown up to be wrong is to make unfounded accusations and hurl insults. Just goes to show how weak your arguments are if that is what you have to resort to.

The source as linked in the Wikipedia article is here

On this day the people of the town heard the radio information on the Red Army entered Polish territory. At the news of the local population created a lot of tension. The market has gathered a large crowd, which is like waiting for a signal to act. Suddenly fell cry: "Disarm the police!" In a short time a group of rebels led by the Communists - former members of a district organization of the Communist Party of Western Belarus - seized the police station, post office, power and disarmed and arrested in the current police officers and officers of the Polish Army. In total arrested approx. 15 officers led by Colonel. Zygmunt Szafranowskim, head of the District Headquarters Replenishment in Bialystok, who passed through Skidel carrying cash Grouping "Vaŭkavysk" gene. Przeździecki Waclaw, containing approx. 1.5 million. zł. On the same day the rebels tried to stop the car gene. Joseph Olszyny-Wilczynski, commander of III DOC Grodno, who was coming from Pinsk to Grodno. Here, however, were less fortunate. Gen. Olszyna-Wilczynski, having fresh in his minds off from saboteurs in the district of Slonim (September 17, 1939.), Accurately read the intentions of the rebels, and was not to be surprised. Seeing armed men on the streets Skidla ordered the chauffeur to this, regardless of the consequences, do not stop the car. So when the "insurgents" began to give signs to stop the vehicle, the driver increased the speed of "piercing the" through their cordon. Meanwhile, in a small town spread revolt. With the coming of volunteers formed a branch of counting - according to Soviet sources - approx. 200 guerrillas, which consisted of representatives of the Jewish proletariat, political prisoners released from prison in Hrodna and Belarusian peasants coming from the surrounding villages. Among others, master in action magistrate had to attend a twenty branch of Belarusian peasants, under dowództem former member CPWB Mikhail Pika, who came from the village of bullhead. Armed groups have been sent to the railway station, which is mastered. After the occupation of the station "insurgents" were able to stop and disarm the train filled with Polish soldiers. With this success, the rebels captured a substantial amount of weapons and train soldiers rozbrojonymi passed in the direction of Grodno. Another group under the leadership of Ilya Little Mouse - a peasant from the village Piesczanka, embarked on a truck in the direction of Lida, where marching unspecified unit of the Polish Army. Partisans possessed only ordinary rifles and a heavy machine gun. The meeting took place near the village of Sikorzyce, Lower Silesian Voivodeship. For the upcoming HR department had to speak Ilya Little Mouse dragging the soldiers to his side, while the officers and policemen were disarmed. During the described action shooting occurred several officers who resisted rebels.

kamunikat.fontel.net/www/czasopisy/bzh/07/07art_wierzbicki.htm

There is more than one reference to "Jewish proliteriat" as being actively involved in the insurrection against Polish forces. Try reading the entire article and not just the bit that suits your argument.
Hipis   
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

Not really: I have always said that; you, on the other hand, recommend texts which contain utter bollocks such as "the Jews were like hungry dogs in front of a butcher shop" and "The Jews then played the role of a "fifth column." "

To be honest harry, you haven't always said that or we wouldn't be where we are now. I also recommend this article in Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidal_uprising

Is that utter bollocks too?
Hipis   
4 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

As I have said repeated, some gentile Poles were good, some were evil, some Jews were good and some were evil. What Poles owe Jews (and what Jews owe Poles) is to tell the truth about that simple fact and to neither try to white-wash the parts of history which are inconvenient for them or to overstate the negative acts by what they see as the 'other side'.

At last we're beginning to agree on something.
Hipis   
4 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

I totally agree, the same in all societies, except whilst some of us can acknowledge this, there are some who refuse too see it because that goes against their blinkered agenda.
Hipis   
4 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

But it's hardly surprising to see you claiming that a laughable text is true, given that it presents the Jews in the worst possible light.

And how do you portray Poles? Here are a few examples:

From this thread

Just as Polish 'soldiers' from organisations such as NSZ hunted down Jews and murdered them.

From Jan 26 2010

Only a complete moron would fail to agree that Poland as a nation did fail its Jewish citizens between 1945 and 1989.

From Feb 19 2010

As any mohair beret wearing Radio Maryja listener will tell you: You have gas in your house?! Wicked child!!! Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Jews!

From June 10 2009 Thread title started by Harry "Why are all Polish couriers/postmen either morons or thieves?"

A quote from another member May 5 2009

I would love to read something genuinely positive about Poland from you, please?

&

I mean my comments to be made about the bigger more general topic. Titled "Harry only sees bad things in Poland".

See, nothing ever changes with you, does it Harry?

Don't quote from other threads.
Hipis   
4 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

He doesn't claim anything. He has compiled, from various sources, witness statements from people who witnessed Jewish people acting "rather badly" towards their Polish neighbours. I posted that in the interests of balance as Harry accused me of anti Semitism and he's always making statements about how badly Poles behaved towards Jews during WW2. Well, it takes two totango guys and there plenty more where that came from.

Harry, as you are totally incapable of reading and when you do you tend to read just what suits your own point of view I quote myself just for your benefit.
Hipis   
4 Jul 2012
Love / Polish Wedding Venue near Krakow [22]

Also, does it have to be a non religious ceremony/venue? There are other churches which aren't Catholic. krakow-info/religie.htm
Hipis   
4 Jul 2012
News / SUNDAY WITHOUT MASS IN POLAND - Judaeo-leftist Wyborcza gloats [165]

I never said it wasn't of any significance. I get fed up of people crying "anti Semitism" everytime someone says something that a Jewish person disagrees with. It is actually possible to disagree with and have an opposing opinion without being anti Semitic, racist or anti anything else for that matter.
Hipis   
4 Jul 2012
Love / Polish Wedding Venue near Krakow [22]

So ideally you need to find a hotel with space for 100 with a function room but the ceremony could be anywhere with a traditional Polish "feel" about it but with a nice dash of romance for such a special occasion? Does it have to be in the Kraków area? Have you looked at Wieliczka salt mine? I know there's a few chapels there and I know they do weddings but not sure if they'd do a civil ceremony.