Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


oh, cry me an effing river...

you are entitled to see the world as divided into the rich and the lazy, or to prescribing the age when people should get married, move out, have children, and buy property all you want. but you're not entitled to your own facts, and the fact is that that there aren't enough apartments or houses compared to the population. there haven't been for long decades, and nothing has changed. which makes people tied to where they live, it's more difficult to move and find a better job, invest in their own business, etc.

Easily available affordable housing allows for more flexible workforce, and for a more skilled workforce, too. Remember the "a car in every driveway" thing? That assumed that everyone HAS a driveway - again, affordable, easily available housing. And now that you have a driveway, you also want your own fridge, dishwasher, washer and dryer, and a new set of bedroom furniture... And then you want someone to come fix the shi*t, and buy insurance in case the sh*t burns down one day, and a vacation to get away from all this sh*t. Which means more people are buying more sh*t, so more people are needed to make more sh*t, so more jobs, more trade, more services, better economy all around...

but why do all that, when we can just call people lazy or have them wait till their 30s to have kids, for lack of space for the crib?

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


i don't know dude. i'm telling you about simple economics and you're going all crazy a$s about TVs and how I'm pissing all over Poland...

more cheaper housing would not hurt anyone in Poland, and there is no reason why a working person in a developed country couldn't afford both comfortable living accommodations as well as TVs, vacations, and whatever else.

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


oooh... heavy stuff. where are you from, again?

it's not American economics, it's universal economics - demand for goods stimulates trade, and production, and job creation. in ANY country.


you mean most Europeans don't have TVs? or disposable income? this is such bs, i'm going to skip that


it may not be affordable to Poles, but it is affordable to those who live and work in those countries, and I don't see a reason why there couldn't be any in Poland.

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


I lived in Poland in 1989, D. But it was 22 years ago, and the world moved on, so no point on harping on it

you're not making any sense. what is the problem? it's not physically impossible to construct buildings efficiently and quickly, it's not beyond human ability to promote competition and stimulate the construction business, and there isn't a shortage of land, either. why can't there be a larger supply of apartments or houses? because Londoners choose to live in the suburbs? is that your argument?

D, you're seriously looping. first you're saying people all over Europe can't afford TVs and vacations, now you're saying that they can, particularly in combination with nice cars, and all of this somehow makes you think that my family were non-achievers. wtf, D?

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


can you tell me more? i'm not talking about building houses and selling them at a loss.

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


1. but it does. you open a business, you borrow money, you make something/build something, you sell it at a profit, you pay off your debt. the key is to make opening businesses and borrowing money easy. that's where the government steps in.

2. so far there are far too few properties. more properties would bring the price to a level where people can afford them and developers can still make money on them, just like anywhere else in the world.

Life / Are Poles mentally more Eastern European or Western European? [170]


ha...

given that we generally balk at being bunched together with either Russians/Ukrainians, or Germans, or Czechs for any reason whatsoever, we're definitely Central. Hell, most Poles don't like being bunched together with other Poles...

News / Communist era 'newspeak' appeals the most to Poland PiS supporters (what a surprise) [89]


that's pretty sad. Ever since I left the country, I always had the impression that people in Poland were in general much more educated than people here. I guess things change.

Life / Are Poles mentally more Eastern European or Western European? [170]

Let's face it, the main reason for everyone denying that Poland is part of Eastern Europe is because for decades Eastern Europe was synonymous with communism, bad government, corruption, and economic weakness. It's a matter of connotation, not denotation. The argument whether it's Eastern, or Central, or whatever else, revolves around that perception. For a very long time, Greece has been considered part of the "West" even though it's technically much farther east than Poland. Now that their economy is an epic clusterf*ck, not that many people would instinctively put it in the same category as Germany and France. Until Poland becomes "like" Germany and France in the common opinion, no amount of arguments to the contrary will free it from the stigma of Eastern Europe.

Life / Are Poles mentally more Eastern European or Western European? [170]


I don't think there was much of an option at the time. Perceptions are stubborn, though. It takes at least a generation to change them.


yes, we consider ourselves special. now, if only the rest of the world were so easy to convince :)

Life / Are Poles mentally more Eastern European or Western European? [170]


Yes, I think a lot of people truly believed in the idea, at first. Heck, for a while, right after WWII, it looked as if the USSR was on its way to surpass the US economy, even from here. The fact still remains that Poland could not do much without Stalin's approval at the time, with the "liberating army" still hanging around.