Life / Why are Polish so conservative and religious? [240]

Troll or no troll it's good that the standard of debate in these forums are actually being looked at in factual terms, and is a standard I think which is on the increase in Poland itself.

One could always say "since when is religion a GOOD thing?". Both examples of extreme secularism and extreme religiousness have man MANY bad points that one could quite easily reference. Your question is a little silly.

No one's said religion is a bad thing. An unquestioning, unchangeable, dogmatic mind is, however, a bad thing - in the case of both religion and politics . Especially when it goes against the actual teaching of the founder of the religion/party in the first place. If people wish to boast about how pro-whatever it is they are, then why not, as long as they have a good thought process and solid facts to back up their claims.

And just in case people were wondering, claims like - "Cos the priest said so" or "cos gays are perverted" or "cos a foetus is a child" or "cos the Pope is Polish" no longer cuts the mustard any more in debate especially with those Poles who are under 30. All statements like this do is show intolerance, a lack of scientific, biblical AND humanitarian understanding, and an unwillingness to move beyond a childish "cos I said so" followed by throwing toys out of prams style of debate.

Damn these Polish youth, with their critical thought processes!

Life / Why are Polish so conservative and religious? [240]


One good aspect of a liberal society is that they do not enforce their religious beliefs on those who do not necessarily hold the same belief by enshrining it in law (that's the important part). The most intolerant, damaged societies in the world are currently places where religion is law. Take a good look at the wahabbists in Saudi Ariabia, or a look at Somalia, and you can easily see how law based on religion quickly leads to intolerance. Look at figures on standard of living, freedom of thought, and happiness indexes of the world and it's clear that the most secularised societies win hands down.


I tell you what you find me a quote of that vein from this thread and then I'll withdraw it.


No, what you can see is extreme trolling, and extreme lying at its worst.


Clearly. The OP did a good job at not researching and out-rightly lying.

Life / Why are Polish so conservative and religious? [240]


What ARE you talking about? Not you. The OP. He's a lying troll, as evidenced by his complete inability to come up with accurate facts. His posts aren't examples of "extreme secularism" as you put. His posts are examples of trolling and the bending of facts.


Not really. He's not my friend. And he said he hates religion. Like I said before, find me an example of someone saying


and I'll withdraw it.

I hate tomatoes but I don't think they're a bad thing. AFAIC everyone has the right to practice religion as they see fit, if it aids personal spiritual growth how can it be bad?

Organised religious institutions on the other hand.... now that's a different kettle of fish all together.


Not at all, not even close. Having said that I don't think that forcing a woman to go through an unwanted pregnancy by law (it's akin to mental torture - and I can find you reams and reams of research into that), or calling an entire section of society "perverted and disgusting" and not giving them equal rights as consenting (and that's the important part) adults adds to quality of life.

There is religion. And then there is religion in law, and organised religious institutions.

News / Topless sunbathers acquitted in Szczecin, Poland [128]


BWAH HA HA HA! HAHAHAHAHAH! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

How about a site run by American lawyers for American lawyers then? Just for you. Cos you seem to be unable to search Google by yourself.

criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/indecent-exposure.html

Are you really at Uni? God help your lecturers.


Or pop down to the sklep and reach for the top shelves....

History / Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir [40]

There was a program on the BBC a couple of years ago about 3 princes looking for love called "undercover princes".

The last episode featured two minutes of a Polish prince called "Jakub Puzyna", he was HOT! Probably of royal heritage but there hasn't been a Polish King for 200 odd years. Certainly not the dude you're after. Still....

History / Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir [40]

That's a shame. I wouldn't have minded bagging myself a smokin' hot Polish prince. Massive sad face. :(

News / Topless sunbathers acquitted in Szczecin, Poland [128]


To be honest there is no finer use of language than an aptly put swearword in the right place. A gentlemanly swear. Not a tirade of barley understandable expletives.


Effin and blindin in a willy nilly way is ridiculous. Poles swear plenty. They just do it in a more refined way.

Love / Polish girls want to be dominated. Fact? [63]

Women are strange beasts.

As a woman I can say that I completely DO NOT understand the reasoning of most women. Sounds to me like you got yourself a little drama queen. Personally I never behave like that - but some women just love to fish and see if they can keep the man coming back for the same tasty worm.

She's playing you. Essentially you called it off by walking away and now she's dangling the hook to see if she's "still got it" - that's exactly what the whole kitten pictures/bulls*it is - "oh aren't I cute and feminine and lovely". F*ck her off. You don't need a woman to mess with your mind. There are plenty of better girls out there.

Love / Polish girls want to be dominated. Fact? [63]




Dude. It's not his fault that she chucked you. Why all the anger at him?

From the way you talk about him I guess you made her love herself, all her friends loved you, you made her laugh (cos you're so funny!) and all the while you were giving her LOADS of orgasms and kissed her like you were some kind of love God.

To be honest she sounds like a d1ck. And you sound up your own a55.

A little humility in this situation wouldn't go amiss, along with a bit of self reflection and wisening up.

Sounds like a really fun relationship.

Language / Useful tips on learning Polish? [25]


Really? That is good value. In Krakow class rates run at approx 700zl for 60 hours. So I stopped going. Far too expensive.

Love / Polish girls want to be dominated. Fact? [63]

I second this wonderful piece of advice.

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]

I'm quite amazed that as this is THE most studied period in modern history, no respected historian has yet discovered this bombshell.

Has the OP considered a career at Oxford University?

Law / Opening a Polish Bank Account by a foreigner in Poland. Recommendations. [299]

I opened one with the PEKAO SA bank.

I didn't have a residency or Pesel, and opened both a GBP and PLN account.

Language / Useful tips on learning Polish? [25]

Sorry... something went wrong with my maths. I meant 1200 zl for 45 hours teaching time.

It works out as about £5 per hour per student.

When you consider that in the school I was teaching in, in the most expensive part of London, was charging £2.60 per hour in the afternoon for 50 hours a week (and £1 per hour if you booked yourself in for a whole year) it does work out as expensive.

Especially since all the teachers at the school were at least CELTA grade B qualified, some with DELTAs, and some with MAs.

How can it be at least twice as expensive to learn Polish in not even the 2nd largest city in Poland, than it is to learn English in the most expensive city in the world?

Genealogy / My dad's last name was Polak - Do I look in any way Polish? [57]

TiffP

If you post a picture of yourself, without loads of make-up on, and without half of your face being covered by tons of hair... you might get an answer.

Genealogy / My dad's last name was Polak - Do I look in any way Polish? [57]



Oh for goodness sake!


This basically.

It's a nice photo. I like it, and you look pretty. But it doesn't suit your question because:

a) your hair covers most of your bone structure and we can't see your face shape
b) the photo is too overexposed and we cant see any facial definition
c) which is compounded by the fact that you are clearly wearing quite a bit of foundation (not because you have bad skin - but because as someone who spent a lot of time working in a design company who regularly worked with professional photos of people - I can tell)

d) your eye-liner is accentuating the inner part of your eye, which distorts/accentuates them to the viewer.
e) the outfit (although very nice and interesting) is distracting
f) It's clearly been corrected slightly by Photoshop. You an tell because if you look at the left pupil, it has been given extra definition to make the piece more centred. using a pencil tool. Take a close look forum users.

Infact,.. I'm given the quality of the photo and the clear professionalism with which it has been treated pre and post production, and the fact that you are an unregistered user, and given the harsh reaction in which you accuse women of behaving in a certain way, I'm starting to highly doubt that it's actually you, and this thread is intended as a troll.

I'll say it again anyway though, troll or no:

If you post a picture of yourself, without loads of make-up on, and without half of your face being covered by tons of hair... you might get a more realistic and meaningful answer. You can take offence to that if you want, but you shouldn't.

It shouldn't be too difficult to find a different photo. I'm sure you have plenty of pictures of yourself which are more adequate for the purpose of your question on Facebook.

I wait with baited breath as I'm sure it won't materialise. However, I'm willing to eat my hat and apologise if it does.

Genealogy / My dad's last name was Polak - Do I look in any way Polish? [57]


I shouldn't need to prove anything if you are the person asking a favour off the forum community here.

You're also a fake photo posting, unregistered troll. I'll give you 5 out 10 on the trollometer. Not a bad score I'm sure you'll agree.

Oh, and if I were a guy I'd also do you. You're hot.

Good day.

Genealogy / My dad's last name was Polak - Do I look in any way Polish? [57]


But she DOESN'T HAVE a Facebook account! Remember?

Work / Briton teaching freelance - and the law in Poland [21]


That's what I was earning per hour and before tax when teaching English in London.

Your employer (or you) need to pay income tax and national insurance (ZUS).

You can get a ZUS number (called a NIP) by asking for a NIP7 form at the tax office, akthough this form is only if you are the employee. Self employed people need a different form, but I don't know which one.

You in order to get a NIP you will also need a zameladowanie, which you can get at the town hall. You will need some proof of address.

Study / Polish language schools in Krakow [30]


Looked at the prices here. Ridiculously expensive, regardless of whether the teachers are good or not.

When will the language schools realise that just because we're from "the west" it does not automatically make us all gazillionaries, with our pockets bursting at the seams?

The English language school which I used to work at had a per hour rate at £6.50 to learn English per hour IN LONDON. and a £20 registration fee

The Glossa prices are (for a class of 8) 2180zl for 60 hours , which works out at 36zl per hour, or £7 per hour to learn Polish in Poland. They also have a 50E registration fee.

Polish language schools charge roughly 19zl per hour in Krakow to learn English, or £4 per hour to learn English in Poland.

Students wanting to study Polish here should bare in mind that Polish is NOT a foreign language in Poland, and that earnings here are one third of what they are in the UK, and that in affect all of these language schools are ripping us off. Time to say no!

Polish schools need to realise that they don't just cater for "rich foreigners"... most of their students wanting to learn Polish actually live and work in Poland and earn Polish wages. Their classes need to be priced accordingly.

Language schools like Accent, Glossa, Prolog which teach Polish to Foreigners are ripping us off and deluded. What a joke! A well priced Polish school would find themselves making a ton of cash, from all of us English speakers who are not rolling in it and need to learn Polish to survive here.

Study / Polish language schools in Krakow [30]

I have some friends studying medicine in Krakow. They say the course provided isn't great, but if you're studying there the lessons are supplementary to your course and you don't have to pay for them.

What can we do? Boycott them, I suppose, until the schools realise they are missing a trick. I met a guy who's "teaching" me Polish, in exchange for English conversation. He's an English teacher himself, so he knows how to teach. I'd love to be able to learn Polish properly for reasonable rates, I just happen not to be a millionaire (like most westerners my age..... LOL!) so can't afford it.

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]

Maybe it was more to do with a few drunk Poles disliking a foreign military presence in their town, rather than race?

I have an angry emotional response whenever I see American military in Hungary. They have no business there.

I wouldn't beat them up cos I'm well mannered and a girl - but not everyone is that well mannered....

My hunch is that they were beaten up for being American Soldiers.

There is absolutely no evidence that this attack was racially motivated, speculate until the cows come home if you wish, but until there is any actual EVIDENCE there is nothing to discuss.

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]


There's no contradiction because "American" does not describe a race . Try and find me an scientific article about "American genetic markers" (and I'm not talking about native Americans).

American is a nationality so this may well have been a xenophobic rather than racial attack.

Have you read any of the comments under either of the articles you have linked to, or the comments in the original linked article? There's no mention of race... but there are a lot of people that seem to be pissed off with the US military presence, or Americans in general.

The truth is, American policy makers do not help their image abroad, and as far as I'm aware the Poles aren't exactly happy being taken into wars for oil and being on the shite end of American "greencard" policies. The US military are the face of the US government. It's not surprising therefore that a couple of uneducated drunken civilians attack the face of the US military. Not everyone in Europe loves the US presence here, and the uneducated certainly cannot tell the difference between the government and its people, or the people serving in their military.

UK, Ireland / Lots of Polish in England buy houses and integrate into the UK system well [9]

I'm slightly jealous of the Poles.

I wish there were a country I could go to and earn three times the national average salary doing menial work. I'd do exactly the same: save like buggery, live like a pauper, and then go home rich and buy a massive flat.

The Poles I met in London were there on a mission, and they were mainly hard working and dedicated. Don't think for a second that if the British couldn't find a country that would accommodate them for a while and pay them a ton of money for unskilled work, that they wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing.

I don't blame them, it's a smart move economically for the Poles. There are of course bigger concerns for the working classes of the UK whom seem to be being stomped in the face government after government, but that is not the Poles fault - and there are plenty of Brits that can't see that unfortunately.

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]


(my bolding)


No! No racial discrimination.

Harry, you were the one banging on about being black and white earlier in the thread. You made no mention of nationality. The convention uses "racial discrimination" as a catch all phrase because it makes a contractual document about 1/4 of the size it would be. If they were to define everything by a dictionary standard in the contract it would go on forever. It's a clever thing that lawyers do to save time. Racial discrimination only = xenophobia IN THAT SPECIFIC document for the purposes of legality. Shall mean, as it says in the document, does not equal "does mean".

Are you saying that, because of this legally drawn up document, that if you were to look in an Oxford English dictionary suddenly

xenophobia = racism

and

racism = xenophobia.

Please Harry, you are smarter than this.

Language / Polish language grammar books [59]

I use this one... it's quite good.

universitas.com.pl/ksiazka/Gramatyka__Dlaczego_nie____wicze nia_gramatyczne_dla_poziomu_A1_2843.html

News / American soldiers beat up in Torun, Łódź [141]

I can't believe that this thread is still going. It is ridiculous!

Oh Harry!

American still isn't a race. If it were, then there would be no racial problems in America. Just because you say something long enough - it doesn't make it true. Even if you do wish to conveniently ignore well thought out rebuttals (I love that tactic.. very clever), which you do on every thread.. Show us the EVIDENCE that this was:

a) a racist attack
b) a xenophobic attack

(evidence being: language used by the thugs, previous discussions overheard by third parties, past (racist) behaviour) and you'll no doubt be left alone.

Maaarysia has already acknowledged that:


Which means that the attack CAN'T have been racially motivated because the KOREAN GUY JOINED IN. Perhaps he was the racist, itching to get in a bar fight with some chavvy Polaks (lol)? Mate, just let it go. Wild speculation has never helped anyone.

If you wish to see race as the defining factor which everyone acts by, feel free to do so. But for goodness sake stop pushing your behavioural theories onto other people. Not everyone defines themselves solely by their race, or has racial motives. I don't but perrhaps you do, which is why you behave like a dog with a rag on these race issues - refusing to let go, and seeing it everywhere, even when there isn't reason to.

Show us ANY EVIDENCE of a racially motivated attack (even a xenophobic attack -I'll let you have that one too). Any at all. You have the whole internet to trawl through. I'm sure you can find something.

As my boyfriend said yesterday... "Sometimes people don't like you because you behave like a c*nt... they don't disike you because you happen to be black/Jewish/Asian/Pakistani/Korean/Whatever... it's simply because you behave like a c*nt".

My wild speculation says (I'm doing it now!): The Yanks and Polish chavs were both behaving like drunken c*nts. End of story.

Work / Salary and cost of living information - Krakow [257]

I know a lawyer in Krakow who earns 1500zl after tax. He's an actual lawyer working at a firm and regularly travels to Warsaw. Make of that what you will. Not everyone earns millions of PLN in Krakow.

Food / Pinto beans in Poland [17]

Depends if you're talking about the fermented soy type or the Mexican type. I have to no avail found fermented Chinese black beans anywhere.

Kuchnie iata in Galeria Krakowska do, however, have dried black beans... not what I was after and a little expensive, but if you're desperate...

Food / The great British teabag hunt thread [66]

You can get orgaic Clipper tea in Alma. The best tea in the world! It's quite pricey though I think it's worth the money if you're not visiting the isles for a while..

Is it me, or is Lipton improving (slowly). I had a not bad cup of Lipton tea in Zakopane this weekend past.

I was proper shocked.