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TommyG,I'll tell you what as long as your not going to try and belittle me;believe me I'm quite apt at doing this as well,but I don't even if it is done to me.The other request I have is that you read some of my prior posts because I really don't want to explain it again.What do you say?

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Foreigner4,I've been straight up with you on this;can't you afford me the same courtesy?For old times sake lol:).If you don't want to that's cool,I do understand where you are coming from and believe it or not I can respect that,even if I don't completely agree.This is why I say that I don't judge.It is a very similar take that you and I have in that particular respect.I can express that I feel that is wrong,and to say that I'm as morally opposed to it as I would be in how to fix something is unfair since you don't know me,but I can respect that too,because you don't know me.I have thoroughly enjoyed debating you;believe it or not.

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wibblywobbly,but it's not like you don't have a choice in getting that far.Otherwise people wouldn't be able to wait until they wanted kids.You can use protection.

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wibblywobbly,I agree that it is tough,but you have to think about it before you start in the first place.You full well know that a resulting pregnancy is a distinct possibility,whether you think it won't happen to you or not.

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Foreigner4,As a poster and a mod,I like the way you try to insinuate that I had a problem with Gabi's answer;I never did.I had a problem with the fact that you said she answered the question that you wouldn't.That's fine though,because it establishes that you don't think that it's wrong to think that it's wrong,in the case of abortion.I say as a mod and a poster,drop your ego and answer me this.What is the similarity in our view?What is your complete take?or will you not lay it out as I have?

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How could I lay that out?I have known several woman who have strongly regretted having had abortions.If you're trying to get me to say that the decision should be easy for them,of course I wouln't say that,but I've answered enough of your questions,how about answering some of mine?Fair enough?

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When I say out of inconvenience I mean in the way that I have stated numerous times in this thread.Because I may not be militant about it,doesn't mean that I can't think that it is wrong.If a woman were to ask me do I think that abortion is wrong,I would say yes,but she would have to live with whatever decision she makes.Take away mitigating circumstances and what do you have left?

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Foreigner4,It equates to murder imo,but I wouldn't classify a woman who has had an abortion as a murderer because of societal conditioning and you have to be aware to be culpable.That is the best way that I can answer that honestly.I don't judge nor chastise,because I'm not in a woman's shoes.I still feel that it is wrong.Am I disgusted by women who have had abortions?No.Would I be angry if a woman I had impregnated had an abortion with out my consent?Absolutely,because I would raise the child and would not want to be deprived of that chance.If they ever come to the conclusion as to whether or not the fetus is A human being;or in the case of late stage,other than for a mitigating circumstance,then I say that will be intentional murder.

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You dove in on my conversation with Orpheus and seemed to have no problem with it.It wasn't in invalid question and you know it.You wouldn't answer it because had you,then you know how it would have shaped future replies from me.I think that abortion under the circumstances I have laid out is very wrong,but I have to say short of intentional murder;for complex reasons..

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Nice try,no cigar,I asked you that question and not her,and in it she didn't say that it was wrong to think that it is wrong.You wanted to answer that question and I know what it would have been.You called it flawed from a debating standpoint.Let's drop the egos and honestly answer the question.You answer that and I will answer yours.

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Foreigner4,First of all I'm not chastising anyone,people will do what they will.I don't judge people,though I may judge their actions.Why do people get angry about it if they don't feel there is anything wrong with it.What do I do about it,I make sure that I don't get a woman pregnant,if I did I am quite willing to raise the child.I am not going to pro choice rallies.Or suggesting that it rests squarely on the mother,so in this I'm clearly showing that I don't support it under the circumstances I have laid out.You say that your not one way or the other yet,here you are passionately arguing for one side.If you were neutral as you claim;you would bring up points from both sides or neither..

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Foreigner4,I think it is wrong;no more no less.GabiDaHun,no matter what I would do about it,I can still say that I think it is wrong.

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GabiDaHun,such as do what?I myself think it is wrong for abortion under the circumstances I've continually outlined on this thread.I would respect whatever the law decides,but I still think that it is wrong.If someone were to ask me if I thought it was wrong,then I would say the same thing and explain why no more no less.There is nothing wrong with that.

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Foreigner4 LOL bingo;thank you.

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Foreigner4,I wasn't asking from the standpoint of the mother.Do you think it is wrong for anyone to think that it is wrong?Straight forward yes or no.

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Foreigner4,So do you think that it is wrong to think that it is wrong?

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Foreigner4,lol that was straightforward enough I agree.Do you think that abortion is right or wrong?

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Foreigner4,why don't you support abortion?

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Foreigner4,there is something that you said to natasia earlier on this thread that I missed,Where on this thread have I ever once hypothesized about who should live or die during delivery.I have mentioned more than once mitigating circumstances.That's a no brainer;if the mother's life would be in danger then abort,no matter what the circumstances that brought about the pregnancy.Why would you even say that?

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Natasia,I don't think that your story is rubbish and I won't ridicule you for it either.I can understand how this has helped strengthen your stance on abortion.

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Rysavy,I was just getting ready to fry some eggs,but now I'm not so sure.....LOL.Gee;some of the stuff I've heard on this thread lol :).

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bernie123,It's not like people trying to say that you shouldn't get a tattoo or that you must be married.It's not like getting involved with something that's so trivial or coming from that kind of moral stance.

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bernie123,LOL,my bad I got that mixed up.Some say this is when the life can be considered a "human".

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bernie123,I had said in the medical profession.Science claims that life begins in the third week.The question becomes is when does that life become a person.

familydoctormag.com/sexual-health/251-when-does-life-begin-medical-experts-debate-abortion-issue.html

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bernie123,agreed,with that premise,late term abortions were acceptable unit recently anyway,when there was no doubt about life,but the medical profession deemed this as ok.They're debating it because it warrants debate.As for stem cell,I'm for it,but this is not the thread for that discussion.

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bernie23,ink you to what.If you go back on this thread a doctor himself says he doesn't know.Please explain how the concept of not taking a life is antiquated,in fact no regard for life is antiquated.

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berni23,No I mean the medical profession.My angle has nothing to do with religion.

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Jon357,my point is that if it is deemed life,then at that point you can't call it murder because it is sanctioned.Whatever you want to call it,The life is killed.You are saying that the fetus is not alive,but then why is there a debate about this in the medical profession.At what point during the pregnancy is it considered illegal to abort?

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Jon357,If you don't think that abortion clinics are not in it for the buck.... or that money is not an incentive.Just as in the case of any medical field,you are going to have people who will give freely of their services.The concept to me is simple and imo,a life should not be snuffed out because it is merely an inconvenience.I can't understand why people defend this.I respect peoples right to see it how they want to see it.I just don't understand it.

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Jon357, so what is the position of the medical profession?Even they are undecided as to when life is established.They constantly debate the issue.