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4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

yes and then when you pass the test, that makes a you a Polish patriot (more or less), agree but I hope you'll agree with me that when you were born in Poland and additionally, you have Polish parents (which is not necessarily required) and already established Polish citizenship by owning a Polish passport, it's your right to call yourself a Pole, right?

(Btw. it's the same in many other countries too)
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

Ihave my Polish passport and I have my Polish Birth Certificate. I Identify myself as being POLISH. Is that really so wrong, and you saying that i'm not polish isnt going to change it. Yes I grew up in the U.S and have accepted that form of lifestyle but my parents have always kept polish things around the house and we do celebrate some of the Polish holidays. We eat polish food in my house, not all the time but we do on occasion.

well, if that doesn't make you Polish then what does?
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

So when does one (or does one?) cease to be Polish after leaving Poland?

If you ask me, you're Polish (or anyone else for that matter) as long as you feel Polish. and no laws, definitions or rules will ever change it but it's my humble opinion and I'm sure, there are many PFers who'll disagree with me.

I'd say we are all humans first.

agree

OK, I personally disagree with that part of your statement as I'm an anti NWO, anti-globalist. I believe that it's possible to be a patriot and yet understand and respect other nationalities and countries.
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

OK, let me ask you another question goofy, let's say a German couple (any country) decides to live in Poland and they eventually have a baby, born in Poland. Then the kid goes to school and learns Polish national anthem, knows Polish history etc. etc. is he/she a Pole or not?
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

A foreigner studying Polish language could learn the whole anthem and maybe even sing it better than Kaczyński and? Would that make him Polish?

damn girl, I wanna marry you, LOL Where were you hiding for so long? You're very smart, indeed ;-)
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

thats what i am saying f4...
she isnt polish... YET!

well, she's not a Polish citizen yet (I guess) but she feels Polish and if she really wants to be Polish, with her background, she'll certainly become Polish, sooner or later.
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

not really.A pole should know the National Anthem.

but she'll certainly learn it, sooner or later. I don't wanna know how many Americans don't know our national anthem (LOL)
(especially the first generation)

my grandmother is polish ,she came to syria after marrying my grandpa ,my mom was born in Syria ,she took the polish passport ,and I took it from her ,so no ,you don't need to have a polish parent born in Poland

oh OK, so it's even easier than I expected.
Thanks Dany.
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

The term for what you're writing about - this "Polishness" - is patriotism, I think :)

smart girl, being Polish and being a Polish patriot is not always the same (ofc it's the same with other nationalities too)
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

well, you know that she's still very young and gets easily emotional but she was born in Poland and feels Polish and it's not like many Polish Americans feel the way she does so I believe, you could at least try to show some appreciation for her desire to live in a country you both love so much.
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

you're welcome.

Anyways, if a person really feels Polish, I'm sure, it won't take long for her (in this particular case) to learn everything she needs to know to become Polish, through and through (as you'd probably say). Then again, alone to know Polish history, including all the names you've mentioned in your post and many more, definitely doesn't make one a Pole because I actually know a lot about your country but I'm sure, you wouldn't call me a Pole, would you? ;-)
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

If you ask, what makes a big time Polish patriot, you might be right with what you said but just to be a Pole, it's really enough to be born there and declare yourself as such. Actually, one doesn't even have to be born there either, as long as at least one of his/her parents is a Pole, right?. God knows that I'm not an expert in Polish law but I strongly assume that a person who has at least one Polish parent (born in Poland) can ask for Polish citizenship, right? (correct me if I'm wrong)
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Genealogy / Polish blood only makes up 1% of your "Polishness" [77]

I mean I was born there I understand I don't know everything about poland but I am learning the language right now and am planningon going back.

what a load of crap? Who the hell told you that you're not Polish? You were born there and you freely declare yourself as Polish, that's all that matters. Look, there are thousands of Americans born in Germany because their parents (or one of them) were stationed over there at some point in time. They're all Americans, no question about it and you're Polish, end of story.
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
Life / The changing RCC habits of Poles [70]

But why the sudden feigned concern for the future of the RCC. Suddenly you seem to have its welfare and future at heart? Sounds fishy to me!

DD, you can't deny that Polonius3 is much smarter than you thought he was ;-)
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
Life / The changing RCC habits of Poles [70]

But... actually, understanding the RCC is pretty much vital to understanding Poland

c;mon DD, we both know why you and Harry are here. You guys are having fun (lots of it) on cost of many peed off (when provoked),God fearing Poles. I don't care what you say, it's freaking obvious, LOL
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
Life / The changing RCC habits of Poles [70]

And when a Catholic stops being a practising Catholic? When he/she doesn't go to church every single Sunday? (...)

all valid points, Paulina.
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

The problem is that the Church doesn't see it that way.

DD listen, the 92.2% of Poles who freely declared themselves as Catholics will stay Catholics as long as they continue to say they are and as long as they won't be officially banned from the RCC. C'mon guys, you're smart people and I assume you all stand for democracy and if the answer is YES, then let them be what they choose to be. No one ever forced them to be Catholic and yet they are by their own choice. Let's respect their right to be whoever they choose to be.
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

I have done all sacraments including marriage in a Catholic church. I do not believe in Jesus, or any god for that matter. I do not claim there is no god because that's equal to insisting there in fact IS a god.

Am I Catholic?

You're only Catholic if you say you are (it's the same with other religions too).

Hard to say that they're Catholics if they can't even receive the most important sacraments in the Church.

Again, as long as they're not officially banned from the church, it's their right to be what they want to be.
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Unless they want to get married in an RCC church. Or have their funeral there. Or send their kids to an RCC church. Or do anything else practising Catholics can do.

as I said, you guys might be right about that but it's not our decision, let the church deal with it. We debated whether they are Catholics or not and I hope, we can now conclude that they are all Catholics as long as they're not banned from the church and freely declare themselves as such.
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

you might be right about that DD but as long as they're not officially banned from the RCC, and freely declare themselves as Roman Catholic, they are Catholics.
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

They aren't banned, they just aren't doing the minimum which the RCC requires from practising Catholics.

well, in that case, as long as they call themselves Catholics, they are Catholics. Really not much talk about, Harry.
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

That's your view; the view of the RCC is very different.

Let me ask you a question, are these people (most of the 92.2% as you say) officially banned from the RCC? not by definition or rule but is there any official statement of the RCC that clearly states that they're no longer Catholics?
4 eigner   
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

If people freely declare[b][/b] their Catholic faith, then they are Catholics.

OK, this is how I see it too.
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

even for me, to declare yourself atheist is a rather significant step as it involves actively denying the existence of something without being in possession of all the facts

I like that approach and this is why millions of people believe in God, because there's absolutely no proof of his non-existence. Of course, you could say the same about his existence but this is the choice we're all making. I believe in God and some people don't and I personally don't have any problem with that as long as they accept my right to believe.

- these same people - when asked the question about religion, will say Catholic. It doesn't mean they're practising - it only means that they were baptised in the Catholic Church and haven't formally left. Even leaving the Church can involve significant hassle, hence why many people simply choose not to participate in Church life.

true and yet if one tells me, he's a Catholic, he is one IMO. I'm not gonna even try to prove him wrong. Why would I?
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Can you tell us - in America - if someone is baptised into (for instance) the Baptist church, will they identify as Baptists if they don't practice the religion at all and don't really believe in it?

I know what you're saying DD but it's not the kind of answer I was getting from Poles I was talking to. None of them said, I was born Catholic but now I'm an atheist. OK, I've heard it's somewhat different in Warsaw but it's not where I lived in Poland so I can only say what I've heard in Eastern Poland, in the Masurian Lakes area and in the Tri-City but putting it all together with what I hear here on PF, the number found in many links online, is about correct. I know, you and Harry hate the RCC but none of this will change the fact that most Poles are Catholics and whether you like it or not, you're gonna have to learn to live with it. I don't know about you guys but to me, this is not some kinda d/ck measuring contest and if it the number I found online, wouldn't be right, I wouldn't be wasting my time on discussing it.
4 eigner   
19 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

And those opinions should be kept to oneself. Thrusting individual beliefs on others shouldn't be tolerated.

OK, well who does it in this particular case? I didn't see anyone here, trying to convince others to his religion. I posted a link (many to choose from) confirming that over 90% of Poles are Catholics and some posters are opposing that number, that's all. Nothing too exciting though.