Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

z_darius: From the moment you left Poland (and I got my MSc at the Warsaw Technical University), 24 years have passed, and I have got two daughters, both born in Warsaw.

Your Polish dries out. Could you tell me the meaning of the word "stylówa"? The current meaning of the phrase "Namówiłeś mnie" and the origin of that? How would you call informal meeting/fight of supporters of two different football teams in a forest? You won't find it in the books.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Koala - the language undergoes evolution. This is not that Warsaw speaks that way. The Polish Internet speaks that way and it becomes nation-wide. You would be surprised how many new words I learned from Fjasz and Yffan, both from Świebodzin ;-) Especially form Yffan who once was my drummer in a music competition.

Stylówa - outfit, garment. This is not Warsaw word, the word is common amongst the followers of "electro" music.
"Namówiłeś mnie" really means "you convinced me" but this phrase has a special meaning:
-- Napiłbym się piwa...
-- Namówiłeś mnie.

The fans of Legia Warszawa and Lech Poznań agree to a meeting in a forest called "ustawka".
I really wanted z_darius to answer that. You live in Poland, Koala.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]


I lost the beer! Yffan told me that... and I forgot how it went ;-)

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Darius, what are you drinking or smoking? Tell me the phone number to your dealer, PLEASE!
Do you realize we are equal age and what differs us is that I stayed in Poland?
PLEASE, do not teach Poles speak Polish.
I can even kneel if you like.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

z_darius, you are on wrong path. The language is not built and developed by linguists. Linguists describe the language. If you were right, English would not move an inch from Shakespeare times. My credit is I live in Poland and every day contribute to the development of Polish. Your Polish is stale.

Got it?

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Magdalena, you do not live in Poland since 1992, either.
Why do you people insist you could teach the living Polish? By book?
Wolne żarty.
Just sing the "Molowo" better than Grom did.


Koala, I can only promise not to forget it this time ;)

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

You can beat the dead horse as much as you like. You do not live in Poland, z_darius. Koala and I do. You have no more any influence on the spoken Polish language. We may disagree on Tusk or other matters with Koala, but it is Koala and me who form the language, not you or Magdalena. Come back, live with us, breathe the same air, that would change the whole thing.

History / Were Nobles during Commonwealth constituting the Nation of Poland? [37]

I insist that Moderator removes bad talking of Nathan on Ukrainian girls.
This is offensive, racial, unfounded.

Also, Sokrates' claim on low culture in Ukraine today.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Linguists describe the past. Return to your dinosaurs, z_darius.

Or, we could have an interesting chat on Old English.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Magdalena, you have lost at the start.

When two Poles living in Poland tell you we do not pronounce "także" with stressed G, you cannot win by presenting links.

I know you are stubborn but you are missing any trump in your deck of cards.

Do you know the term "extinct species"?

For example, a music expert will tell you "kobza" is special instrument played in Tatra Mountains, and the right name for bag-pipe is "dudy". Everybody however knows the bag-pipe is kobza.

Another expert will tell you that "szanta" was a old work-song, sung at trade tall-ships, by groups of sailors doing their work collectively, and it was sung rhythmically to ease up hard labour and making the labour more organized. Everyone will tell you however that "szanty" are those all maritime songs.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Regarding the sea, see the update in my post above.

Linguists are scientists with no effect on living language. And I was attending "szanty" for 5 years now, not paying attention if "Gdzie ta keja?" by Jerzy Porębski was a sea-shanty or not.

I suggest you read this article. Hoping you will get more reasonable.

rockszanty.pl/2010/06/02/rower-szanty-rock-szanty/

I find it amusing when two non-Polish residents try to convince two Poles that they speak wrongly because linguistics says otherwise ;)

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

I told you:
Two non-Polish residents, linguists at that, try to convince two Poles using the living language how they should speak their native language, by rules of linguistics in it.

I'll bring me more chips and wine. The thing gets more and more exciting.

The laws of physics are (in long perspective) constant. The language is living and changing very fast.
Do you wear "pantofle" or "palto" anymore?

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]


"Polish".

You see, I'm a chemical engineer. I was taught the precision of the calculation of my profession will be good if we meet +/-20%. So good the theory and calculation methods are. You linguist, what are you thinking you are? God Almighty?

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]


We (I and Koala) are telling you and Magdalena that your wisdom "nie ma przełożenia na mówiony w Kraju język polski". Hope you still can READ Polish ;))))))))))))))

History / Were Nobles during Commonwealth constituting the Nation of Poland? [37]


Are trying to tell me Sokrates that I should abuse poor Ukrainian girls? Well, well, well...

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Will you believe me z_darius that all Poles except the linguists give damn sh*t to how the linguists believe the language should be and do their best just to live and be able to speak to one another?

I hope you will be able to communicate with the rest of the Poles on your next stay in Poland.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Because it was your hobby, Magdalena.
You know, I do not convince everybody else sea-shanties are so fantastic music. You however were trying to convince me that "projekt warszawiak" was ringing with authenticity ;)

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

My Grandma was a teacher of Polish for more than 50 years, Magdalena. She taught me writing. Please, stop. You cannot go further this way. You're simply not authentic.

Also, take it for granted: It was M. Jourdain who suddenly discovered that some theory about language exists. You do not need any linguistics to speak perfectly in given language. It is enough to live in given country long enough and take care.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

It's so simple Magdalena: You lost the connection with Poland. I deeply believe so.

History / Were Nobles during Commonwealth constituting the Nation of Poland? [37]

I believe the Ukrainian girls are human in the first place and women as well. A humanist would have never said anything wrong on other human beings. A gentleman would have never said anything wrong about women.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

I thought we were talking on speaking?

Darius, if anyone wants to be an authentic bluegrass musician (or someone at least trying), such person first goes on a trip to the right place in the States with his banjo. Someone trying to give advices how to speak present Polish rather comes to Poland and stays there for significant amount of time. NOW.

Same to Magdalena. Do you know the notion "akademicka dyskusja"? It is about the University.

The further discussion is pointless.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Theory against living language
nk.art.pl/mp3/takze.mp3

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

You're teaching me how to speak Polish, again? ;-)
People do not stop between "Droga Magdaleno" and "i drogi Dariuszu", either, right?
Gosh, are you still thinking you are God? ;-))))

If people had to SAY "G" in "także", they would have to say it as I did.

As I said before, the discussion is pointless. Come to Poland.

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

Or "sorki".

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]


At least I gave some thinking to z_dariusz, who admitted that softly spoken "także" is pronounced as "taksze". He has probably listened to my recording where "tagże" was pronounced loudly, distinctively and unnaturally (because "g" there is not pronounced he same way as in "tygrys"); then he heard my softer "taksze". I wonder how linguistics handles different pronunciation depending on the speech volume.

Language / The usage and future of the special Polish letters: ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ż, ź (Polish language) [203]

Interestingly, the translate.google robot reads "także". This is not correct either but when you listen to that, you'll notice it passes well, too.

This is why I say most of the pages in this thread are purely academic discussion. Living people do not use linguistics when they speak. I know it is so hard for linguist to get that very fact accepted...

Back on topic. Will replacing "także" with "takze" help or make things even more obscure?

Life / New Polish generation prefers black culture? [145]

Yes, yes, the music as such is not only the result of presence of Black musicians. However, many sea-shanties, blues, a lot of jazz. a great deal of rock, soul music, rhythm & blues, ska/reggae and many modern genres I'm not familiar with are the result of the Black presence in music.

Furthermore: Who says rap/hip-hop cannot be interesting and valuable music, not only related to poor people and street kids?
Mieszko of Grupa Operacyjna sings very good songs, with intelligent lyrics.

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]

Have you heard the term "world economic crisis"? Poland has been left almost untouched with it.
Have you compared Poland against other countries? Norway, The Most Civilized World's Country (at least for couple of years, according to United Nations): wages approximately six times higher than those in Poland but taxes eating good part of it, the car registration costing almost the same as the car value, an average small house in nice location costing $1 million, and panic in the real estate market.

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]


Who are the "Poles"?
BTW, I cannot see where the topic limits participation in this thread.

The OP is asking PO supporters to list 5-10 Tusk government best achievements. Your comment is interpretation and putting your own sentiment into it.

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [532]


I see. The fact my opinion is different from yours (and I do not need to struggle for life because I've been working hard for it the whole life instead of whining) makes me a non-Pole.

Muszę to zapisać kredą w kominie na wypadek gdybym zapomniał.