Work / How To Study In Poland and stay with my GF? Inability to move to Poland looks stupid. [60]

I honestly laughed so hard when I read it for the first time...

One thing at a time.


I don't get it. If she "loves" you so much she should be able to make that sacrifice.


You and a bazillion of other gents from Turkey, Africa Pakistan, India and wherever after they discovered that UK is slowly looking into reducing the amount of non-EU people who love the Queen so much they just have to move here, then hit up the bennies queue. After that happened the whole you lot started looking into other countries in the EU, obtaining some papers there, then moving on to Germany, France or the UK. Eastern Europe really needs to look into that matter.


Happens all the time. Nothing unusual.


Hardly. Poland ( and a number of other states who require minimum amount of $ from "students" from not-too-well-developed countries ) is simply making sure it isn't importing another illegal immigrant who will pose as a student in order to get out of some third world ********.


On the floor laughing here.

You're 17 years old, you don't "love" Poland or most likely your "girlfriend" for that matter. You're just looking for someone to pay your way so you can leave your underdeveloped country.

Poland and Turkey haven't exactly been too friendly over the years ( Turkish invasions are partially responsible for Poland losing its international clout in the 17th century ) so why the hell do you expect Polish people to "hand you scholarships" is honestly beyond me. They don't owe you jack, look for suckers in your own country.

Other than that, the monthly amount that you gave ( about 700 euro ) and that you expect the Polish government ( or some other sucker ) to just fork over because you're so brilliant is more than many Polish families earn in a month.


Lol.

To be honest, stay in Turkey then and be successful there.


And if they are coming to Poland illegally or overstaying their visas they should be deported ( hopefully before they make it to the UK ).

On an unrelated matter, I have just petitioned the current government of Turkey to pay me a scholarship for going on vacation there. I asked them for 5000 euro a month. Hopefully they'll reply.

Law / Getting Married in Poland without a visa? [23]

Indeed that's awful.

I mean, it is not like illegal immigrants are actually using the same ( often unpaid ) services as legal immigrants and citizens, so one can't really blame them for increased wear and tear of the infrastructure, right?

And ( in the Polish case ) illegal immigrants are of course always employed legally ( not like anyone ever got deported, duh... ) so they always pay their taxes on time.

Law / Getting Married in Poland without a visa? [23]

So basically you're an illegal staying in Poland on an overstayed visa.

You should be looking into deportation, not marriage :-)

Travel / Mosques in Krakow? [131]

^^ Yeah, blame the evil Jews, that always works.

It is like this one time we trained and released man-eating sharks into Egyptian waters to destroy their tourist industry. Ah, the good old days.

Travel / Mosques in Krakow? [131]


And the London bombers are of course best proof of that...


Like it or not, Europe is slowly reaching the conclusion, that being too soft on muslims isn't exactly a good thing and that they are effectively using religion as a cover for other things. A hardline stance has been taken by Switzerland:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8385069.stm

France is in the same boat as well:

articles.cnn.com/2011-04-11/world/france.burqa.ban_1_france-s-islamic-burqas-french-muslim?_s=PM:WORLD

So is Belgium:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8652861.stm

All this probably has something to do with this:

I don't see the reason why Poland shouldn't join in with France, Belgium and Switzerland.


A small roving band of Lipki Tatar doesn't prove anything.

Travel / Mosques in Krakow? [131]

Well, if you're so rich with knowledge of the Muslim world ( although I do believe that a fair amount of Saudis might have a different opinion on their country and would not consider it "an artificial creature" ), it might be worthwhile to look at Polish history through the lens of religion.

Poland ( and Ireland ) are two most Catholic countries in Europe. Just look into abortion laws if you think otherwise.

Hence indeed Poland as a very Catholic country with a single, powerful and dominant religion might indeed be more entitled to being a lot more harsh on the mosques issue than, shall we say, Belgium.

If Saudi Arabia - which is often considered very "hardcore Muslim" by some - has the right to be harsh on other religions, why should Poland ( a "hardcore Catholic" ) country follow the example of "moderately" Muslim countries instead of the "hardcore" ones?

Hope you "got it" now.

History / Has Poland ever participated in any big wars (except WW2)? [73]


Nah, never, ever, most Poland ever did outside of WW2 was a scuffle with Slovakian border guards two years ago. It was in the papers and was by no means a small thing - one of the Polish border guys had to go to the doctor, his eye was bruised.


Sheesh, read a book.

Polish history is pretty much one bloody war after another with a relatively peaceful period in the XVIth century.

Pointers --> Polish/Soviet war 1919-1921, Battle of Vienna 1683, Battle of Beresteczko 1651, Battle of Grunwald 1410.

Work / What kind of job can I find, can I make descent money in Poland? Coming from Canada. [33]



Native Polish and English?

You'll be better off than the locals, don't worry. Not that you'll make anywhere close to what you were making in Canada.

Work / What kind of job can I find, can I make descent money in Poland? Coming from Canada. [33]


Indeed, his behaviour also strikes me as odd and You sir might very well be right on the money.

Other than that - all of the people I employ in Poland ( and I do pay way better than 1.500 zł/month net ) for some reason happen to share the same trait - they can all speak bloody Polish. Call me a traditionalist, but I doubt that even the best lawyer will do much in a Polish court if he's only able to speak Suahili.

Consider it a clue, TS.

Law / How long is the waiting period after applying for Polish citizenship via marriage? [29]


Poland really needs to start looking into the whole fake-marriage thing more intensly ( pass a law that places the burden of the costs of deportation on the citizen that participates in such activities ) because, not only based on what I see on this forum, it is quickly becoming a pipeline.

Work / What kind of job can I find, can I make descent money in Poland? Coming from Canada. [33]

Heya bud,

Reading your post one might think that crazy Velociraptors were out on the prowl in Vancouver. You are so desperate to stay in Poland , makes one wonder whether you're really from Vancouver and not Karachi or Islamabad :-)

Other than that:



Well, don't tell us your Polish is "adequate" then. Most likely the very reason why the only thing you're getting paid to do is construction.

So do what Ironside said and learn the language if you're that desperate to stay.

Or go back to Canada ( or wherever home is ).

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


You are too stupid to waste my breath on, Alfred.

Law / Divorce legal adviser in Poland? [7]


Worst idea ever.

Maybe balances out somewhat on account of you being female and Polish family courts usually treating females better.


600zł is the filing fee.

What the attorney will charge shall depend on his experience and often - good standing with the court in question :-)

There are probably lawyers out there that will "help you" for 2400 zł + VAT, double that if case goes to appeal. But I wouldn't recommend them.

Reasonable, experienced divorce attorneys in Poland that handle cases involving property and kids will most likely ask between 10.000zł and 20.000zł + VAT, again double if case goes to appeal.

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


Yeah right, the threadstarter comes over with some accusations that aren't true if one looks at 99% of the UK's population, yet everyone is jumping up and down trying to comfort him.

An English woman comes here and says something I heard about from numerous sources and yet the first assumption is "you must be making this up".

Simply because for many of you, Polish people can do no harm.

Ridiculous.

Law / Can I come to Poland with my girlfriend on the student visa as a dependent? [40]


My point, which you were too undereducated to get, boy, was that her coming from "Polonia" doesn't automatically remove her from the people being allowed to speak.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Again pointing out for the umpteenth time - in the cultural circle he ( and many other people on this forum ) hail from telling the swooper that the girl knows he should leave is the responsibility of the girl. Of course in the Eastern European cultural circle the "right" thing to do for a male in such a situation is to take part in the competition and hope he can win his queen's attention back, lol.

Confused did exactly what most guys without insight into the "Polish female mind" would do: he hinted that it was perhaps time for her to "do the right thing" and when she didn't - he did it himself without being particularly happy about doing it.

And the reason why none of the guy's opponents in this discussion paid any heed to my post #78 is that they probably couldn't explain why they'd apply a double standard based on gender in this particular case.


Agreed. At times it is nothing short of baffling.

And in my humble opinion that vain approach and that shocking belief that they are just "sooo special" comes from the way women are ( were? ) raised in Eastern Europe.

Law / Can I come to Poland with my girlfriend on the student visa as a dependent? [40]


Me understandy no what you speaky.

Honestly, Poland should look into this before they're swarmed by indians.


Sure, bash the girl for speaking her mind.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


Obviously, because I have nothing better to do than tell him wrong.

I'm telling the gent how I see things. Now, sure, some of you ( being Polish ) might not like a few bits of what I said, still please don't discredit my whole advice.

After we cross out the few odd assumptions ( like the one about confused being supposedly unable to tell the difference between a date and another social event ) the bottom line here seems to be, that the standards for dating behaviour for young, middle-class women in Poland and the UK differ.

I know some foreign guys who are perfectly aware of it and treat their polish females with that knowledge in mind. Confused just isn't one of them ( yet ).

Now some of you might again get pissed off and whatnot, but back in the 80's when I had a business in Poland ( already mentioned it in this thread ) I actually had a situation akin to what happened to Confused.

Granted, the whole thing went down in Warsaw almost 30 years ago, so times were very different ( foreign guys with foreign currency were really all the rage with Polish girls these days regardless of how they looked or how old they were ), but still there were a few common elements.

That story is about a time when a certain Polish girl fresh out of the University of Warsaw really decided to dig her claws into me.

To make the long story short - I wasn't the least interested, despite her being very attractive and intelligent to boot. Partially due to some of the stuff that had to do with how the Polish political police operated back then and partially because this particular female had my spidey sense all tingling and not in a good way. So I kept brushing her off and even once bluntly told her I wasn't interested.

Of course ( which I know now and didn't know then ) this had exactly the opposite effect. She began pursuing me vigilantly and after she "accidentally" ran into me for the fourth or fifth time in front of the apartment block where I rented a flat ( winter time, office hours on top of it ) I knew I had a problem on my hands. I actually thought about changing my flat ( figured it wouldn't work ) or pretending to be gay ( she knew I wasn't so it wouldn't work either ), but then decided to tackle the problem head on. After all, what the hell, we're all human and all.

So we went to a venue of her choosing and of course it was a nightmare. She treated me like a meal ticket, made advances that were sometimes comical and after a few drinks even had the nerve to ask me about the state of my finances and amount of personal property ( how rich are you, in dollars? lol ). Comedy central, I'm telling you guys, although after that last set of questions I wasn't really smiling. To be perfectly honest - I became much colder and was actually considering leaving under the pretense of going to the bathroom. But that wouldn't be particularly gentelmanlike of me.

So I did what all brave men do in such dire times - I invited the only lad I knew at this place to our table. He was Swedish and I shared a drink with him once, that was how deep our relationship went. I figured, correctly, that my lovely Polish "date" would take notice of this robust Scandinavian fellow and allow me to slip away.

Indeed I was correct - she first attempted to play one of us off against the other, which was really funny, since her English wasn't that good. After about 10 minutes it was rather clear that the Swedish dude was responding and I was not. So she made a show of how great a guy he was ( again - funny due to broken English ) and started focusing her attention completely on him. Having achieved the desired result I got up, wished them good night, paid the waiter, picked up my coat and grabbed a taxi. I was confident that I'd never see her in my life again, having so gracefully dumped her off on another fella ( a foreigner, on top of all things ). Of course I never tried to contact her and considered the case closed.

Exactly four months and a half later she again "accidentally" ran into me in front of my apartment block ( I managed to go to the UK and return in the meantime ). Despite me telling her I was in a hurry she really needed to talk. Long story short:

- Swedish guy went back to Stockholm,
- She didn't understand why I never contacted her or asked her out again after our "date". What the hell was wrong with me???

- Despite being severly mad at me for not contacting her, she made sure she was still available and said I could quell her anger by giving her roses and taking her to dinner.

To the dismay of my then-landlord I moved out to another flat a week later :-)

So, to sum up, I know what the hell I'm talking about when I'm handing out advice here.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


She was seriously no diamond :-)


I for one never attempted to crucify you.


Nothing to be worried about mate. Plenty of women in England, loads of them Polish if that tickles your fancy.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


Obviously it does apply.

For your assumptions to work two things would have to occur simultaneously:

1) TS being a completely inexperienced young gent unable to appropriately articulate his wishes, then going around, making up fantasy stories. As in "I asked her out for buddy chat, but in my mind this is sooooo a date".

2) Swooper having "clean" intentions. And my life experience tells me that a guy trying to sit down with a couple rarely has those, especially if the girl is attractive enough.


Why are you so certain of this and how come you assume he hasn't POLITELY tried to suggest to the girl that the guest might have overstayed his welcome?

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Please tackle my gender-reversed example from p.3 if you're feeling that confident :-)

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

skysoulmate -

Confused has put this rather well. First of all, the "other" guy shouldn't have swooped in - blame on him. Secondly - the girl should have made it very clear to the "guest" that he wasn't wanted after a two dozen minutes or so. Lastly - Confused could have perhaps handled the whole situation slightly better ( as in "leaving when things got really stupid" ).

So, in my humble opinion - 40% of the blame on the swooper ( who, as I mentioned earlier, probably had some experience with "polish girls" and knew it was perfectly ok in the girl's mind to swoop in ), 50% of the blame on the girl for acting like a rude and promiscuous **** ( there, I said it ), 10% on TS for not leaving when he should have.

In Poland it would look something like this - obviously 100% of the blame on TS, because he dared to stand up for himself against the queen's wishes.

That's it, hence I don't see the reason why some people ( grubas ) are treating him like an idiot who can't tell what a date is or why are you acting as if he should be blamed the most.


Ignore her completely. I mean, look the other way when she walks by. That's the only chance of "another shot" you've got at the moment with her type of personality.

Still, my advice is to ditch her as she's clearly a "Polish Princess" and will end up costing you a lot more than she's worth.

Whatever you do though, don't take into account what grubas says - he's always mad when a foreigner gets a polish girl ( which probably means he's mad and angry all the time ).

Life / How many Jewish people live in Poland? [145]


Hardly.

Jewish here.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


Why are You calling Seanus cynical?

I'd say he's more of a realist.

That part about assuming that a Polish woman always has a Polish lad on the side in case things don't work out with a foreigner she's had her eyes on --> that's very often simply just true.

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


That "resentment" is mostly in your own head.

Bottom line here is - if you happen to be a professional whose skills are highly in demand and at the same time happen to be bothered by the fact that a very small percentage of UK's population aren't too happy with Polish people - by all means take your skills and knowledge to some other country.

That's the solution to your "problem", nobody in the UK is going to bend over backwards to have you here and if you honestly care so much about what a few ******** think then you going somewhere else will benefit everyone.


Complete and utter nonsense. Doesn't apply to Poles anyway. Do the Ukrainians have the right to invade Poland by the millions due to Poland pretty much owning Ukraine until the Partitions?


Yeah, moral right people, let's form a circle and sing.

British people can come to Poland and work - Poland is part of the EU now. The fact that they're not doing it is grounded purely in economics.


And when exactly was that? Plus, didn't Poland once tell its Jewish citizens that they'd be better off in Israel? Hardly a good argument there, mate.


Assuming, for example, that the Polish will figure their shale gas in 10 years - I honestly don't see them being as open to immigration as the UK was/is. If 2.000.000 Englishmen immigrated to Poland in a span of a couple of years and started competing for the jobs on the local job market - my guess is there would probably be a civil war. I can honestly see Jarek Kaczynski right now, as he jumps on two stools and yells at the microphone :-)

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]

Looking at TS's original post



By all means if you're worried by such examples of anti-Polish behaviour feel free to take your highly-in-demand and professional persona to another country.


And I could probably fill two books with anti-British comments made by some Polish people. Just read the thread about the "English Yobs in Cracow" on this forum. So what?

The United Kingdom is a country with a long history of tolerance for outsiders. It has accepted waves after waves of people coming from very different cultures ( Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Chinese, people from the Carribean, Greeks, loads of Eastern Europeans since 2004 ) and has endured. I cannot honestly imagine Poland taking in 2.000.000 British people over the course of a couple of years right now, especially if said people went on to compete for jobs with the Polish.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

Ok, some of you guys are going back to blaming the threadstarter for what happened or pretending he's a dumbass who can't tell a date from another social occasion :



Again, I believe that it comes down to cultural differences and upbringing. Because of that you guys are simply unable to place any form of significant blame of that chick and keep looking for excuses to place it on the threadstarter. Not too nice, I have to say.

Then along comes grubas with his utterly ridiculous comments:


Seriously, when did that even enter the picture? Get a hold of yourself because you're accusing people ( unjustly and not for the first time ) of having some extremely negative character traits.

Regarding the topic itself:

1) It is telling that none of the threadstarter's "opponents" even attempted to tackle my "gender-reversed" example. Most likely because you couldn't rationally explain why you'd apply different standards to a male ( "he's a dick!!!" ) and a female ( "nothing wrong here, move along please" ) engaging in exactly the same behaviour.

2) The more we discuss the more painfully obvious it becomes that we come from two different cultural backgrounds. And why I understand how Polish people are ( or perhaps "were" ) brought up, I'd also like to ask some of you ( you know whom I'm talking about right now ) to be less negative towards the threadstarter.

There are societies ( UK happens to be one of them ) in which it isn't always common to apply a double standard to males and females in some matters and in which the threshold of tolerance for behaviour that can be described as rude or promiscuous doesn't vary based on the gender of the offender. In Poland the double standard ( as in - "females are allowed more" ) is applied all the time.

This is very clear if You actually read the title of the thread which is "is this normal for polish girls?". Why would the author ask such a question? In my mind there's little doubt he asked it, because he found the behaviour of his polish date baffling, to say the least, and certainly not something that's expected of a female ( a non-chav, +18 y.o. female to be specific ) in the UK.

The bottom line seems to be that in many cultures what the girl did can be viewed as both rude ( to her date ) and promiscuous ( holding up an improvised competition during the date to see which guy gives her more attention ). Poland is obviously not one of such cultures, but that's besides the point here.

3) "how many minutes"

20, tops. There's no doubt in my mind that "confused" showed extreme tolerance and restraint allowing this thing to go on for 2 hours.

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


I would, without a shadow of doubt, spare my date the utter embarrassment of having to sit around and watch me pay my full attention to someone else. Such behaviour is rude and speaks volumes about one's character.


Best of luck then.

This reminds me of ye olden days ( also known as the 80's :-) ) when I had a company ( a "firma polonijna" ) up and running in Warsaw. Back then no sensible wife/girlfriend would allow their man to go on a business trip to the Eastern Block, because women from Eastern Europe simply stopped at nothing in their pursuit of a "Western man".

So back then I often cooperated with a local, Polish guy who at the time was a young and up-and-coming professional and now is a middle aged, bald rich guy who doesn't need to work anymore. He was pretty good at his job and I actually recommended him to a number of people, which in turn contributed to him having a halfway decent start-up capital when Poland decided to embrace capitalism. But I digress.

When we cooperated in the 80's he adhered to one golden rule - never, under any circumstances, would he allow his then young and pretty wife to attend any social meetings where us - foreigners doing business in Poland - would be present. I think it went as far as him actually not telling us he was married for quite some time. His reasoning was simple - he believed his young WIFE ( not girlfriend or fiancee ) would leave him if she ever met a foreigner.

I guess he heard you coming even back then, Wroclaw :-)

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]

I believe we're not going to reach a consensus here.

Some of us come from a culture in which what she did is, as was nicely put here, highly disrespectful to her date ( Confused ). I for one remain convinced that he was being VERY BLOODY PATIENT, I mean he waited for 2 hours before he told the guy to leave and made sure his "date" wasn't in earshot when he did it.

Others come from a culture where it is perfectly ok for a female to organise competitions during a date on which she agreed to go on with one of the guys. So, you're basically ok with a Polish Princess being a law unto herself and setting her own rules because she's so special. And based on that belief you guys hurl some insults at the threadstarter, which is rather uncalled for.

Perhaps this will at least partially convince some of you...

Let's say I'm really trying to go out on a date with this 35-year-old woman, who happens to be a well respected professional and has a rather stable personality. So I'm working my charms, she doesn't exactly consider me the man of her dreams but she agrees to give me a go and we go on a date.

So I take her to a fancy nightspot and 10 minutes into our date I see a 25-year-old girl I know, I ask her to sit by our table and I spend the rest of the "date" talking to the younger girl and telling her how pretty her eyes are.

Now I'm rather sure that some of you would call me a complete dickhead for doing that. Yet, despite the fact that this example is almost a carbon copy of what happened to the threadstarter, you fail to place any blame on his date.


It is indeed very mature to point towards the number of women one had relations with as proof of one's knowledge of the female mind.

Way to go, grubas.


Madam, please keep your playground psychology out of this topic.

I understand that you might be annoyed by the fact that I've bested you in a discussion once or twice, but calling me names isn't the way to deal with it :-)

Love / Don't want others to join us at a table - is it normal for Polish girls to get angry? [161]


Thank you Seanus :-)


We are happy to share our wealth of knowledge about Poland and Polish females with you.

Other than that confused:

I fully understand where you're coming from. You probably treated her very well and in return she came back at you with the behaviour that in the UK isn't exactly expected from women older than 18. You sat there, took it and waited politely for her to do the right thing and when she didn't you did what every guy would do ( told the other dude to beat it ). In response she of all people started complaining...

Yeah, unless one gets what the "Polish Princess" syndrome does to a girl's mind it is incredibly difficult to understand this situation.

You are indeed correct that ignoring her is the only option. Either she'll just bugger off or she'll get back to you in a week/month/two months asking what's wrong with you and why you're not calling her. If that happens just remember not to treat her like she's anything special and bring your A game to the table next time.


Madam, you're showing exactly what I'm talking about. Confused mentioned that his lady friend made this "contest" go on for 2 hours before nipping off to the loo. 20 minutes of buddy chat and then her telling him "I'm sorry, look, date, uhm, uhm, isn't there some other place you got to be" is what is expected of a woman in most places ( ok, perhaps not from a Polish Princess in Poland or a Russian girl in Vladivostok ). After two bloody hours Confused was more than entitled to ask the guy to leave.