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nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

Btw. what do you do with leaked mercury? throw away into trash? You know its illegal? ;)

Well, I do... both... But I haven't broken a thermometer since I was a kid, honest!

Pogotowie chemiczne it might be, of course, now I would like to see their faces after you had called them and explained the life-threatening problem.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

not quite, because if it go under floor you will inhale it for some more time... It cumulates in your body and can affect your health.

So after breaking the thermometer you rip off the floor, just in case, and scan it underneath with a specialised mercury detector provided by specialised services? Is it free, or do they charge you?
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

And it's a good thing we no longer have mercury in thermometers. That stuff can accumulate and before you know it, there's holes in your cerebral cortex.

Oh I know that. But calling a fire brigade to dispose of a broken thermometer is a bit of an overkill.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
Life / POLISH MYTHS - let's debunk or prove them! [140]

Liquid mercury in room average temp vapours thats why we need to open windows and call proper services if we break up a theremometer .

myth :) I've broken many a thermometer in my life, and I was playing with the mercury as a kid. The amount that you inhale during the while needed to clean it up is insignificant. The Westerners are pussies. Fact :)
nott   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

- The Konfederacja Targowicka, where basically your aristocracy sold the country to the Russians.You have to be proud of that

Well, I can try and be proud of Konfederacja Barska. For whatever it's worth.

- The invasion by the Polish Army of Czechslovakia on 1 October 1938, in coordination and cooperation with Nazi Germany. Occupying the Czech district of Cieszyn

Get some historical background first... It's been already done here.

- The Kielce Pogrom

Right. Poles murdered Jews. For the whole day, right under the eye of the Soviet authorities who innocently had slipped the rumour that Jews kidnapped a child. And the unreasoning mob wisely chose to kill rabbis instead of apparatchiks. Stands to reason, the rabbis drink babies blood, and the Soviets bought us freedom, everybody knows that.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

Dry facts are Poland didnt fall from power due to its nobility or political strucutre, both served her fine and actually ensured its survival throught the deluge, its the wars that f*cked Poland up.

What was the reason of the wars, though...

You get my vote for the rest you said.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

Harry, get a life. Wank yourself, or what.

Ironside: Who knows worth and value of polish traditions and history?

Welcome to the 21st century. These things are not important anymore in the big world out there.

Says a historian.

History, MG, teaches people things. It is, like, what makes a difference between savagery and civilisation. You learn what people did, you think about it, and maybe you do not do stupid things what they did, or maybe you do wise things that they did. You keep old books, you read old philosophers, you don't have to invent the wheel again. Think about it. At your leisure.
nott   
8 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

somewhere between the 16th and 17th centuries, the Commonwealth's trade balance shifted from positive to negative. Same thing is happening to Usa.

17th century in Poland was almost constant war, in their territory. Difficult to trade what you can't produce.

Plc never had peace for more then 5 years they say I can't see a big difference in the american war politics...

PLC was a pacifist country, and the result was that all the neighbours tried to conquer this apparently gutless nation. Which resulted in Poland fighting defensive wars on its territory. USA is more like aggressive, and fights abroad only. Big difference.
nott   
10 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

do love the way that I point out that you're lying through your teeth and quote the documentation that shows you are and the only way you can react is personal insults: it really shows how pathetic your lies are.

You blind or retarded or just being yourself? Too much effort to read a couple of posts with understanding?

Given that the govt-in-exile was a self-appointed continuation of the openly anti-semitic military junta that ruled Poland in 1939, it had no more claim to be legitimate than any other government of Poland.

Says Harry the Ultimate Authority On the International Law and Internal Issues of Rzeczpospolita Polska.

You are not even amusing. You are a clown with no talent, I'd rather watch yet another whitewash-down-the-pants trick any Sunday than get excited with your attempts on provocation. I only answered to make it clear to everybody what I think about you, with full justification, and once is enough.

Over and out from me, wankker, you can bang your head against any wall you may find reactive.
nott   
9 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

Well Churchill and Roosevelt was kinda naive...

Not so, actually. And Stalin hastened to provide another eye-opener already in March, by arresting the representatives of the Polish government, who agreed to talk, having no real choice left. They were publicly tried and convicted for treason against the Soviet Union, well before the Allies formally abandoned the Govt in Exile and smiled to Bierut.
nott   
9 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

You are a misplaced person, Harry. Wrong place, wrong time, You'd make a prominent Pravda correspondent. Too late, and you have to live with it.

TRJN will be pledged. A puppet government sitting on Soviet bayonets will hold free elections in a country occupied by an army of a murderous and rapacious regime. Not even Roosevelt believed this, but you are obviously capable of unheard of feats of faith. Which I doubt, personally, so other conclusions leap to mind.

I believe you are smart enough to answer the simple question, why was a new provisional government needed at all, when the fully legitimate one was alive and kicking, and had a long and successful history of cooperation with the Allies. And even a representation in place, although not for long.
nott   
9 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

Don't lie: no such thing was agreed at Yalta.

Maybe you are 'fast with Wiki', but you can't read it.
nott   
8 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

Amathyst:
Look at Britain post WWII and ask yourself if they could have taken on the Russians?

You suggesting Stalin would have invaded Britain if it didn't agree to creating the puppet regime in Moscow?

In fact America, Britain, and the rest of the world ceased to recognise them when it became clear there was a functioning government operating from Warsaw.

There was a functioning government in France years before. Any logical conclusions?

It didn't 'become clear'. It was the result of Yalta, Feb 1945, where the Allies agreed that Poland becomes the Soviet province.

Betrayal is betrayal, whatever reasons there might have been.
nott   
8 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Higher entities know that there's great hope for me so I'm happy :)

I'm not that high, really... :)

No? You described a Protestant beautifully.

Perhaps I just described the guy next door, without being too particular.

Mother of God? Prove it!

:) bloody luter... że też ich jeszcze święta ziemia nosi...

Once I was in a discussion about differences, and I spun a theory that what you Protestants lack, is Mother. You are half-orphans, you lot. I mean, the Protestant countries are more down-to-earth, more practical and rational, more serious and sombre. Catholics, are more laid back, irresponsible, emotional, and getting more of life. You deal with a strict Father, yes is yes, no is no, punishment follows sin, no appeal, equal measure or better, for your own good. We have a Mother too, and one of her most important roles is to avert the Wrath of God. However down and under you are, and whatever you've done, which is more important, She's always there for you. The God may be busy or just angry, the Saints indifferent or lazy, the Mother never lets you down.

There's more to it, but Mummy says I'm getting up early tomorrow... :)

A pest? Are you a Catholic who says that a wasp is a pest? White Anglo Saxon Protestant ;)

Wasp is not half bad. A tick is abomination.
nott   
7 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

True!

I told you there's hope for you...

So basically like Protestantism then? :) :)

Oh, well... No. :)

First thing, you don't give up on Holy Mary, Mother of God. Never. And She's the Queen of Poland, you know. Official.

A Jehova's Witness? What's that ;) ;) ;)

wossname... a pest :)
nott   
7 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

I agree, you find God in different ways and not through a text. Still, theology holds meaning for many people.

To each his own, I am not going to ban theology. Like, some people delve into theoretical physics, but most just punch mobiles and drive cars. Sometimes with amazing skill.

You identify with it too but you generally understand why you are a certain thing. Religion need not be discussed, true. Still, please explain what a Catholic is to sb who might not know or is knew to it. Imagine a martian came down from outer space and asked you what a Catholic was. What would you tell him?

:) couple of options:
1. 'It's kinda, you know, our Earthling thing...'
2. I'd give him a Catechism, and wish luck.
3. 'See that man in a black robe? He's an expert.'

It's not so easy, to put Catholicism in a nutshell. I've known plenty of Polish Catholics, and we spent not a single night over the bottle just to find out what it is to be a true Catholic. Quite unsurprisingly, to me, it often boiled down to: be a decent man, keep your conscious clean, pray when you feel like. Ah, well, go to the church now and then. And baptise your kids.

Ok, the formal side of it was quite important. You just prove and improve your faith by conforming to rules, and keeping in touch with the pulse. Something like kata in martial arts. Keeps you on your toes.

I believe we should reach different conclusions and not just follow like sheep. Like my wife :) I don't apply reason to it, I just feel that the water has been muddied and why not just say you are a Christian?

You might be taken for a Jehovah Witness :)

As for different conclusions, you'd be surprised how many Catholics quite freely interpret what is really important, and what not quite so, regardless of what the priest says.

Let her. It's her own way.

Well...

Brian: You have to be different!
The Crowd: Yes, we are all different!
Small lonely voice: I'm not...

:)
nott   
7 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

I've been away for a while, as you may have noticed...

Talmudic hocus-pocus? This is exactly my point. They are discussing the core essence of theology and also of Scripture and you can't see it.

I can see it, I just don't give a damn, actually. So much, that I don't even care if this is a basic problem or not. I could have a go at it, I used to do such things, but it's mainly a scholastic exercise for me.

My point is, that you don't find God by splitting the hair over some old eclectic text re-translated over several languages. That discussion on TV was, for me, a typical fundie exercise on faith, hard to imagine in Europe. You think the first Christians, those dining with lions, cared that much about theology? Yes, I know they started to bicker early on, but for me The Sermon on the Hill is probably all that most Christians need to know.

To call yourself sth is to strongly imply that you understand what that thing is.

No, it's just to state that you identify with it. More or less strongly. Today I was asked by a Hindu, if I am a Catholic. Well, why not, I am. I am not going to explain him the depths and shallows of Faith, as much as I can see of them, only because he needed to put a label on me.

My point is that many don't. It's just conditioning-based nonsense. How can 95% of people miraculously come to the same conclusion based on a wide mass of evidence being available? Probability would show otherwise! It's just a part of the broader sticker culture which religion hasn't escaped :( :(

But what's the problem, actually? Most of our beliefs are conditioning-based. I've never met a person doubting everything that was given them to believe since early childhood. Like that the force of gravity is inversely proportional to distance squared. God manifests in Three Persons? Fine. Induction versus whatever it was? Whatever.

Beware of applying reason to faith. You'll abuse both.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

I use the Bible to prove my point so what's wrong with that? Have you no respect for Scripture?

Well... I do! :) Only Catholicism is not based on the Bible solely, but on the thoughts of Fathers of Church. They somehow knew that the Book is only an eclectic, huge hint at the Truth of Faith, and tried to suck the essence out of it.

And, between us, it all boils down to that when you stand before the Judge, then you are solely responsible for your deeds and negligence. So it's Church and priest for the simpler folk, but if you are capable of independent thought, then the personal responsibility grows accordingly. Thus as a good Catholic you complain stubbornly about a greedy priest to his bishop, but you do not make a tabloid news out of it. And such. Catholicism is not so simplistic, as it appears to outsiders.

It is not off-topic, no,

How come? it's just an exchange of private opinions of two particular people, on a particular topic. No society involved, actually, and Poland only loosely related.

I stress the danger of affixing a sticker. I can see some merits in Catholicism (good deeds, for example). However, I just believe that they are artificial constructs and I could also quote many provisions relating to God's Grace which prove that.

You always end up with an artificial product, God's wisdom is not available to you.

You want to see an eminent Catholic get defeated in argumentation time after time? Watch this It's one of many topics that they discuss. Dr Walter Martin, helped by Ankerberg admittedly, defeats Rev Mitchell Pacwa. It's really detailed stuff which explores imputation Vs infusion. Deep but they keep it accessible and watchable :)

Deep? this is some talmudic hocus-pocus, Seanus, who cares about it? :) Do they really want to find the answer to Faith, Life, and Everything? Through logical argumentation on TV? It's a show, PR, propaganda.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Nott, the only time I'd call a priest is for an interview.

You are the most dangerous kind of free-thinkers. You have read the Bible and you abuse it's contents to prove your point without shame at all. Such are usually well versed, and can quote The Writ from memory, to lead the simple folk astray. One priest told me so. Nuff said, yeah.

1 John 1:19 says we are to confess directly to God. Isn't that enough evidence for you? This is where Catholicism is closer to the Jewish faith (the Torah). You rely more on the Old Testament where things are implied at best. The New Testament, on the other hand, teaches that all believers themselves are priests. Somewhere in Peter and Revelations, I think, but I can't remember the numbers. I remember sth about 'holy priesthood' being mentioned.

Catholicism sees things in the Bible that aren't there and that's my beef with it. Sola Scriptura, as interpreted by most Protestants, seems to be closer to the mark.

Actually, I wouldn't trust the Bible. Christianity is really quite a difficult religion, so to make it accessible to common folk one has to make some concessions, hoping that God will look in your heart and appreciate the intentions, not to mention the result. Protestantism was one of such attempts, and with good reasons, and with results not too bad, but where Catholicism stayed strong it's equally valid now. It doesn't really matter what the Bible literally says. You should learn as much as possible about the God, and Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and with sincerity follow your heart. I'd say devotion, putting aside all the funny connotations, is the only way to God. Just try to do your best, and the Loving Father will appreciate and accept. One of the methods is to go to church every Sunday, and listen to the priests. Blessed be those of small spirit, as their will be the Kingdom of Heaven. Loose translation.

To make it clear, just in case: I am not a Catholic. I'm not sure you would want to know what I am.

Is it off-topic or not?

What is not recommended?

Replies like 'yeah'. I didn't know then, that the post will grow.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Torq has a point, Matowy. The Mods let a few things slide but with good reason. They are not always here and have lives of their own. Also, a bit of spice is needed as Poles tend to take the bait. Trust me, I've sat in classes where I've had to delicately spark it as, otherwise, they would sit in their boring little worlds and not generate any enthusiasm for anything.

It is not recommended, but: :)

Hope you'll read it before I am banished to random.

Passion about religion, nationality, ideology, all of that stuff, it practically forces inobjectivity and knee-jerk reactions such as this. Enthusiasm about something is fine, but to the point where it compromises rational thinking it just becomes dangerous.

Religion, nationality, ideology is irrational per se, it's all about beliefs. People are rarely rational, and we have to live with it. As long as it stays on the verbal level, no actual harm is done, and that's what we get on the Net. The side-effect is, that there is some chance of finding some mutual understanding, as long as we talk.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Language / Your perception of the Polish accent [145]

Compare the Queen speaking to a Polish woman speaking and the difference in speed is highly noticable.

Now that's unfair, the Queen is quite rich in years, and this slows down everybody.

As for your 'better accent', I am of mixed feelings. On one hand I'd sustain the general theoretical notion of redundancy, even if it's slightly slowing the communication, on the other hand I actually prefer the sharpish, distinctive Glasvegian warble. The 'proper English' sounds gayish to me, but it's just a personal preference.

On the third hand... I love to listen to the sing-song, slow, relaxed accents of Eastern Poland... So it's not about speed for me.

The US case you explained sagely. So it's not the simple geography, rather.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
UK, Ireland / Are you able to hear the different English accents? [97]

Ooo-arrr! Ye be roit there, laddie.

Right. I got it immediately, proud of it. But if you barked it at me eye to eye, I'd probably look pretty sheepish for at least a moment. Unless after some time of acclimatisation.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Language / Your perception of the Polish accent [145]

Poland is bigger than the UK but nowhere near twice as big

And about half of Poland has no native speakers at all

And how do I define correct? By what is the easiest to enunciate and to understand.

To each his own. I'd rather appreciate some redundancy, which would make up for ambient noise and such. I wouldn't say that producing three difficult vowels instead of one simple is sloppy.

With the speed of Polish you exaggerated a bit. Maybe it sounds like that to you.

Geographic location. England being on an island means that it has less exposure to foreign influences throughout history

Looks plausible, but somehow doesn't prove in reality. USA is a huge country, and US English was constantly under pressure of all European languages, yet they say the Americans have preserved the archaic English pronunciation.

I have another theory about the accents. English is rather vowel-oriented, as compared to Polish, and vowels are easier to shift than consonants (or more difficult to keep in place). You can say 'better' or 'be'er' with glottal stop, of course, but it's still quite easy to extrapolate. Now compare 'like' and 'lake' in various accents, out of context, and you are in trouble. At least I am, not being as finely tuned to local nuances.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
UK, Ireland / Are you able to hear the different English accents? [97]

Am I able to hear them?? Sometimes I feel I'd accept a special tax for the National Bureau of Language Standardization, with a strong Investigation, Enforcement and Prosecution Department. All very nice and interesting, variety of accents, but I need to communicate, and sometimes pretty promptly. You get used to Estuary, then a Brummie comes along, drops a quick question, the Glasvegian flashes back the answer, and I stand there solving puzzles.

I knew an Irishman, good people, and some 30 years in England. We worked together, and we used to have a pint or two now and then for about a year - and still I had problems.

I went to visit my friend in Wiltshire, he was renting a house together with his local friend. I needed about an hour to adjust my pattern recognition. We went to a pub together, there were some local blokes, and again I had to adjust. That friend's friend was not quite that local, as it turned out.

I spent two weeks in Leeds, went to a local pub. Tried to ask a bit about the local ale, and ended up just nodding politely. Took me a couple of minutes later at the table to cobble up a probable English rendition. I was eavesdropping on the guys at the next table, and all I understood was that they were speaking of good olden days.

Are you English?
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Language / Your perception of the Polish accent [145]

The Polish accent lacks variety. Poland is more than 2 times bigger than the the UK.

Now this is another arrogant British myth!

Although, in the spirit of the traditional Polish tolerance, I must reluctantly admit that this particular one is somehow firmly rooted in reality. The variety of British accents, or just the English accents, is amazing. I can't always locate the speaker on the map, but the differences are quite easy to hear. And then there's the Eton accent, right? One bloody school...

In Poland less so. But:
1. It was different only decades ago. People relocated a lot in the last 70 years, which resulted in melting regional accents, and then the TV added to it. And there was a cultural pressure too, speaking with accent suggested lack of education.

2. It's the question of exposure. You can hear the difference between a Silesian and a Varsovian, I can, sometimes, recognize people from Chorzów, Ruda Ślaska, Podlesie - if they come from the native families, of course, and speak Silesian.

3. There are more distinct accents in Poland, than you mention. Wrocław (Lwów, that is), Poznań, Warsaw, Kraków, £ódź, lubelskie, Podlasie, Podhale, Silesia, Kaszuby are (were) unmistakable, and there are at least traces of them still in usage. Well, unmistakable... some of the differences not as pronounced as the English wild experimentations, but they were there.

Once I heard a 'street interview' from Toruń, on the radio. They were speaking standard Polish, but the sound of it was an incessant, monotonous rattle, I actually needed a couple of seconds to replaytherecordinginmyheadandparseit. It wasn't a slur, pronunciation quite clear, luckily, but the speed of it and lack of melody...

In general, you are right tho. The English can't speak proper English at all :) Except for the Queen. But she is German, innit. Pedantic.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Stop looking at those citation needed parts ;)

Who you taking me for? There was a proper table, rows and columns, all black on white. Legit, like.

Voices? From where?

Good boy. I said, there's hope still :)

Hope is always with me :)

Well done!

Now close the Book... and call that priest.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Not in the Polish list anyway ;) ;)

You think I took it off the top of my head? Wiki, copy&paste. Official list of Virtues.

REPENT!!!

God told me I could.

...

you're in deep sh1t, bro... don't listen to those voices... I am being dead serious now... honest...

I often went to church as a kid and scored 100% in RE :)

So why did you abandon the path? Such a promising young man.

It' still not too late, have hope.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Sincerity is another one of those virtues I think ;)

No, it isn't. Chastity, Temperance, Charity, Diligence, Patience, Kindness, Humility. No Sincerity.

It's good to be free thinking, if only after red wine :) :)

Free-thinking is a sin against the Holy Spirit, and as such, unforgivable. Please repent...

Let me quote the Source: Pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris, is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and indeed the ultimate source from which the others arise.

See? REPENT!!!

Shush is not here. She is likely sleeping ;)

shhh... ushhh...

Feeling God is of huge theological importance. It is written in Romans that no intermediary is needed between man and God. Other passages in the Bible back that up. However, there are the Apostles who complicate the position. I've watched detailed theological discussions on this. Nerdy? Maybe, but better than spending time the way modern slobs do.

Romans. How can you properly interpret the Holy Writ without being properly educated first? It's a difficult text.
nott   
3 Jul 2010
Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

God is around you, confess to him. He listens to those that are sincere :)

That's the problem exactly... sincerity *sigh*

With heightened senses comes the spirit :)

Free-thinker, huh? You better speak to that priest soon. Still not too late, but beware.

Better in what?

trolling... shush...