Love / Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression? [360]


You know, i was going to respond to this but after reading those articles i realised it was pointless to get into any sort of discussion with you.


^I have little interest talking to people that support statements like that. I do not mind debating with open-minded individuals that are willing to consider view points other than their own, but your linking of this article makes me think that you are anything but.


That is a HUGE generalisation that you seem to be stating as fact. I do NOT cater to money nor social status and i don't think i'm a minority in that, so i'd thank you not to shove me into your neat little categorisation of women.

You say "waving the flag" like its a bad thing, but there needs to be people that are willing to "wave the flag" for equal rights to combat all the idiots out there.

Love / Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression? [360]


Of course, which is why i said "people lie" ... and i dont think i was trying to use that as an argument?


Good to know ;o)


I think this is because to begin with, without some sort demonstration or event, most people would carry on blindly unaware of the things going on around them, not understanding that a change is needed.

(I cannot help but think of the film 'Raspberry Reich' when i hear the word revolution - "The Revolution is my boyfriend!")


Well that i didn't notice, i hope that wont be attributed to my being a female ... oh ha ha.

Love / Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression? [360]


It used to be purple, pink and green ... blue is my conservative look ;o)

Edit: i look forward to your reply. Intelligent debate is something i enjoy, though i certainly had to lurk here a while before i came across one i felt inclined to join.

Love / Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression? [360]


Clearly, men that see women as no more than a maid and/or sex slave are living in the past, but my point was that arguing without fact, ranting and name calling are not going to change their opinions. It's like trying to convince a racist that skin colour isn't important, or questioning the existence of god to a highly religious person. Brick Wall.

Rather than trying to reason with these kinds of people, it is surely more productive to ignore them and go out and do what it is we need to do, thus proving that women are in fact equal.


Surely this comes down to actually getting to know a person before you become deeply involved with them? I don't know about other people, but i'm careful not to fall for a person until i know them and their views fairly well, especially when it comes to things that are important to me such as religion, animal rights, womens rights, gender/sex issues etc.

Obviously people can lie, but upon finding out the man i love see's me as nothing more than a useful tool i'd hope that i have enough self-respect to walk away.


Please can you clarify this, do you mean that a woman that does choose to stay at home is also choosing to be a slave to her partner/husband?


I have been a resident of one of these shelters in the past so i am more than aware that there are plenty of men that do not have respect for women - but that is not the majority of the male population and generalising men, and turning them into something we need to fight against, is one of my problems with feminism.


I have the utmost respect for the womens rights and liberation movements and thank them for the opportunities their campaigning has awarded me today as a woman.

I believe in equal opportunities for women, but i do not identify myself as feminist. Just the same way i believe in animal rights, but i do not identify myself as vegan or an animal activist because i do not condone some of their their methods nor do i agree with everything they say.

I am an individual and i do not need a label to believe in myself as a worthy human being.


I dont remember saying that is has. I dont think that the liberation of women has changed the traditional family structure, but i do believe modern society needs to take a step back and look at the effects of "no parent" families on children.

I do not believe a child should be raised by a child-minder, and it is sad that demanding jobs and high mortgage prices mean that often both parents must work full time. I have no preference to which parent stays at home, nor do i feel that staying at home means giving up work.


These things are thanks to the womens rights movement, which i have already stated i am truly thankful for.


I'm English and i currently live in London, though i have also lived in Liverpool (my home town), Birmingham and Hereford, all of which differed socially in terms of gender roles - but then gender roles are, for me, a whole separate issue.

My future may well be in Poland, but i'm already aware of the struggles i may encounter, not just as a woman but as an individual that does not conform to societies norms (I have tattoo's, blue hair, 2 wonderful children before marriage, a partner that is not the father of my children, and a job that although home-based, often requires me to travel outside of the UK).

Change is needed almost everywhere, but that doesn't mean i have to agree with the tactics used.


Not true. Men still have to fight for the right to be anything other than the socially accepted male gender role, just as women do.

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I have a feeling we're going to be moved to the off-topic section ;o)

Love / Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression? [360]

I didn't say women had ridiculed me, i was pointing out that in general this is what public speaking feminists do - criticise women that DO want to be housewives or raise a family.

Why do you have to act like a man to be a powerful person in your own right? This is my main issue with modern feminism, acting like a man to be taken seriously as a woman!


I'm talking about modern feminism, the kind of feminism that effects me today as a WOMAN and an INDIVIDUAL. The problem with any extreme movement is that at some point they will go too far and people will no longer look at the issues they were trying to address in the first place.

Feminists started out with wonderful intentions - to give women freedom of choice and equal rights - but at some point it turned into some sort of bizarre mission to prove that women can do everything better than men, by acting like men!

I have lost count of the amount of times i have watched an interview with a prominent feminist and felt utter disbelief at the things they have said, for example, any woman choosing to stay at home and raise a child instead of going out and fighting against the evil men are letting down the entire female population. Seriously, wtf?!


Clearly not, see above.


Please explain how. As far as i can see all i have confirmed is that a woman can be an intelligent and valued individual without going to the extreme measures of modern day feminists.

I do not feel the need to compete with men to validate my own importance as a person.


Last time i checked, yes.


I'm not talking against my own, please tell me where i made any derogatory remarks against WOMEN? I am making a point about the evolution of the feminist movement. If anything, i was trying to point out that women can be equal in their own right, without having to try and be a man.

Love / Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression? [360]


Maybe that's because feminism has become a joke. Feminism used to be about women campaigning for equal rights to make their own choices in life, but somehow that mutated into the ridiculous concept that women need to BE men.

I am an intelligent and capable woman in my own right, i do not have to try and compete with men to prove that. I don't have to try and run faster, grow my underarm hair, or drink beer and belch to validate myself.

Feminists say they are fighting for freedom of choice, then they ridicule women that CHOOSE to stay at home and raise a family. They are hypocrites and akin to the "sexist chauvinist pigs" they say they're standing up against, with their small minded thinking.

Genetically speaking, women are women, and men are men, but more importantly people are individuals. If you don't like men that think women should be chained to the kitchen sink, then don't involve yourself with those kinds of men. If you don't like women that think you should pay for everything whilst contradicting themselves with their "i have rights" rubbish, then look elsewhere.

Everyone is entitled to their own point of view. Sometimes that opinion might be downright stupid, prejudiced and narrow minded, but such is life. You won't be able to change that person, even if you argue yourself blue in the face. "We have no words for speaking of wisdom to the stupid. He who understands the wise is wise already."

As for the worst thing a girl can do on first impression? Trying to be something or someone that you're not just to impress another person. Nothing is more unattractive than a fake and a try-hard, and that goes for men and women.

Of course that is all just in my humble opinion, and i'm nothing more than human ;o)