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Olga   
16 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

In order for a hypothesis to stand the test of scrutiny, one must consider who had the means, motive, and opportunity, and the following questions must be satisfied:

1) Who?
--Putin & Tusk
2) What?
--Assassination by plane crash
3) When?
--Known
4) Where?
--Smolensk airport
5) Why? (The "why" also answers the "who." Strong motive usually points to perpetrator.)
Power & revenge--usually the strongest motivators in political assassinations. Here is who would benefit most and why:

"Tusk-A friend to Russia?"

"Polish Plane Crash Boost PM Tusk" (Motive: power)

"Polish premier's ill-fated trip shrouded in acrimony" (Acrimony over how to deal with Russia. Tusk=pro-Russia, Kaczynski not. Motive: power & revenge. Also, very convenient that Tusk had been "invited" several days earlier alone.)

"Poland PM Tusk Considers Running for President" (Motive: power)

"Poland's air crash also killed a swathe of the country's elite" (Consider their accomplishments and ask, "Did they help or hinder Russia?" Motive: revenge)

"Scent of shale gas hangs over Katyn" (Motive: Money & power)

"Poles wary of Nord Stream pact" (Note pipeline originally planned directly from Russia to Germany)

"Nord Stream Ensures Unrestricted Access to Polish Ports" (March 5, 2010-route change press release. Now possible from Russia to Poland. Motive: power...keeping Poland "in line" with gas supply or else cut off like in Ukraine. Remember Kaczynski was pro-West and Tusk much more pro-Russia).

"Analysis: Polish euro dream still elusive after crash" (It's better for Russia if Poland does not go Euro-keeps Poland more isolated from West. Easier to manipulate and strong-arm Poland.)

" The death of Poland's president carries a terrible echo of his country's past" (Illustrates how much of a thorn in the side of Putin Kaczynski really was.)

"Redzikowo Missile Defense Shield" (More pain-in-the-ass for Russia, part of revenge motive)

"Polish President Kaczynski was nationalist, pro-U.S" (Motive: more revenge)

"Diplomats mull practical impact of Polish air disaster" (Reasons for elimination of Kaczynski and key party players who were pain-in-the asses for both Putin & Tusk)

And, last but not least-
"Throughout history, Russian leaders have sought to suppress dissent by driving critics into exile - or worse"

6) How?
Plane was overhauled just several months earlier in Russia. Opportunity for sabotage. (This is both the "means" and opportunity")

Ex-lieutenant colonel of KGB is expert in plotting and carrying out assassinations. That is part of their training, as is suppression of information (propaganda expert) and "damage control." (This is the "means" portion.)

And let us not forget, exaggerated reports of fog (if it was really so bad, why wasn't the airport closed due to weather, as is standard procedure) as well as gunshots at Smolensk crash site. Most logical explanation for gunshots is that Russian soldiers were either dispatched or lying in waiting to prevent intrusion by witnesses and to ensure control of evidence. Those are indeed gunshots from a hand-gun. I played this video for a couple of guys who served in the army-they confirmed. Ammunition blasting off spontaneously from heat and fire sound different, more erratic and hollow. Note especially first shot in video. Unmistakable gun-shot, with echo. Remember, Russian guy in video is close enough to distinguish which is reason for his panicked cursing.

...

Also remember reports of Polish officials initially being barred/physically restrained from access to crash site (shown below), and reports of Polish complaints concerning lack of information.

"That probe is moving fairly quickly, aviation experts said, but some Poles have complained about a lack of public information, including the transcript of conversation in the cockpit before the accident.

Jerzy Artymiak, spokesman for Polish military prosecutors, said one of three black boxes found will be brought to Poland...while the other two continue to be examined in Russia."

You would have to be completely lacking basic critical thinking capacity not to seriously consider this as justifiable means, motive, and opportunity.


  • Photo of Russian officials restraining Polish investigators
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

You see an interview conducted a few hours after the accident

I am referring to the boy's video!!!! Are you crazy or stupid? You don't even know what you're talkng about... Overdue for psychiatrist consult. Why don't you enlarge and pause closeup of boy's video on his camera.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

The accident was at 10:56 Moscow Time. At 10:56 the Sun is very high over the horizon, just over one hour away from its highest point

Video shows plane. Light IS high, consistent with time of flight. Some fog is visible, but nothing to the degree described in reports. Pause video. Do full screen view. Look closely. Rewind and pause again. Repeat as required until brain processes input.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

The accident was at 10:56 Moscow Time. At 10:56 the Sun is very high over the horizon, just over one hour away from its highest point during the day. The Sun seen in the clip is low because it's going sleepy. The scene is late afternoon.

The video has the plane in it, in case you forget, and plane did not fly in the afternoon. Video shows high light, consistent with the time of flight. Some traces of fog are visible but nothing llto the extent characterized in reports. Pause and do full screen view. Rewind and pause again if necessary for brain to process. Repeat if required.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Also, as you pointed out yourself, the video was made a few hours after the crash

No, I did not say that. Learn how to read . Video is clearly from morning as you can see by the light and Russia today is state-run tv which is why there is no further mention in the reports of that video. By now the boy's camera has been in all likelihood confiscated.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

In which point?
Address the points I made.
The only clear thing for now is that you lost your mind.

Explain lack of heavy fog--and Russia's jumping up-and-down loudly yelling "fog!", when video clearly shows little. I am referring to boy's video as the plane was overhead. Not some smoke-filled low light footage reporters shot hours later after the wreckage was burning fuel and PAH's (polyacrylic hydrocarbons) all day. Also, explain how Russia could not be behind it if they had the plane in their possession several months prior for overhaul.

Neither did you answer my question whether you wouldn't agree that the Polish investigators, who work alongside the Russian investigators, wouldn't protest heavily (probably would even go to the press with it if relations between PL and RU are that tense) if they felt they were kept out of the loop.

Answer: Tusk. AKA pro-Russia puppet and likely allied with Putin in this. How convenient he was "invited" several days prior after having a big falling-out with Kaczynski.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

If majority of the world believed that it was an accident then that's it is, case closed.

That's the "magic" of media-manipulating propaganda. Russia must be gloating. All that money in propaganda budget did not go to waste. It's not up to the ignorant masses to decide what the truth is, unbiased transparent investigations are for that--contrary to what is occurring here. Poland should get EU inquiry going into this--Russia is playing them for a fool and they are in over their head.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

So you have a problem with Russian media reports and then you use them to continue your unproven allegations?

To illustrate my argument on who's doing all the one-sided talking. Which clearly you are so short-sighted as not to see.

According to Russian sorces (those Russians again) there was no presidential presure on the pilot

Interesting that Russia was so quick to jump on Kaczynski and now looks like idiots, no? Again, your myopia is epic.

Read the damned links I posted or shut up!
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

who spat in your breakfast this morning?

People who parade their drooling lobotomies like they are a virtue to be proud of.

Anyway, back to the topic: Comments on video please--well thought out with supporting evidence.

Also, same as above on this please:
themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/scent-of-shale-gas-hangs-over-katyn/403877.html
nord-stream.com/en/press0/press-releases/press-release/article/nord-stream-ensures-unrestricted-access-to-polish-ports.html

Come on people--shut the hell up until you actually READ this.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Just an interesting little sidenote. During the second world war, Smolensk was a Luftwaffe airfield. In 1943, Hitler was visiting the airbase and Col. Tresckow had a bomb smuggled onto Hitler's aircraft, set to detonate while it was in the air. Unfortunately the bomb failed to detonate due to the cold temperature in the cargo hold.

Yeah, Smolensk--Russian death trap.
Any INTELLIGENT comments on this video?

How many times are you going to post the same video?

youtube.com/watch?v=PFOvLvykQhs

Ignorant commenters, save yourselves the effort--save effort for hoisting vodka shots.

Side note: Russians are known for the obsession with symbolic messages that spell vengeance. Like Litvinenko, for example, and polonium--message likely was: "Experience what Katyn was like, you basta*d." What more cruelly ironic message for Poland than this?
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Oh, back to this lame-brained argument, are we?
Of course, because no proof is needed. After all, dead men can't talk. How convenient.

gave up on fuel dumping eh?

I did more digging, and you're right--no fuel dump system. Fair enough. At least I admit it, unlike others here who will still spew forth that Kaczynksi was the master of his own demise, when CLEARLY he was not, and now revert back to the pilot being at fault. Like hamsters on a treadmill.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

You sound like child.

You sound like you're for the investigation to be at the whim of Russia. Typical, coming from you.

Interfax news agency quoted what it said was a source close to the investigation commission saying the pilots did not seem to have been under pressure from Kaczynski.

"So far there is no evidence that any of the high-ranking passengers demanded that the pilots land at Smolensk. The voice recorder, whose decoding has been completed, did not register any pressure on the crew from their conversation," it said.

kyivpost.com/news/world/detail/64039/

The story of Kaczynski ordering the plane to land is ********. But I already knew that because I'm not blinded by state-sponsored propaganda.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

"That probe is moving fairly quickly, aviation experts said, but some Poles have complained about a lack of public information, including the transcript of conversation in the cockpit before the accident.

Jerzy Artymiak, spokesman for Polish military prosecutors, said one of three black boxes found will be brought to Poland later Thursday for analysis, while the other two continue to be examined in Russia.

Investigators had hoped to disclose contents of the flight recordings on Thursday, but Artymiak said they now plan to wait until after the weekend memorial ceremonies. There will be a state funeral for all the victims Saturday in Warsaw, and a separate funeral and burial of the presidential couple on Sunday in Krakow."

That probe is moving fairly quickly, aviation experts said, but some Poles have complained about a lack of public information, including the transcript of conversation in the cockpit before the accident.

Jerzy Artymiak, spokesman for Polish military prosecutors, said one of three black boxes found will be brought to Poland later Thursday for analysis, while the other two continue to be examined in Russia.

Investigators had hoped to disclose contents of the flight recordings on Thursday, but Artymiak said they now plan to wait until after the weekend memorial ceremonies. There will be a state funeral for all the victims Saturday in Warsaw, and a separate funeral and burial of the presidential couple on Sunday in Krakow.

1. Investigation moving rapidly according to experts. So why barely a word in the news from the Polish side? Notice who's doing all the talking. Media manipulation.

2. Complaints on Polish side of lack of information. Who would have thought? *sarcasm*
3. Russians handing over black boxes to Polish officials at their leisure and convenience. Russia first, Poland gets leftovers. Who cares if it was a Polish-owned plane. Russia is boss.

4. All black boxes have been in the possession of the Russians. How "open" and "transparent" of them!
5. Contents of flight recordings now will not be disclosed until after the weekend, not Thursday as had been announced earlier. Apparently, Russia needs an extension to complete doctoring to their satisfaction, maneuvering behind Polish grief as an excuse.

These facts speak for themselves--is anybody listening?
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

I heard that the cameras of Polish journalists were taken away.

I also heard Polish officials were initially barred and even physically restrained from getting access to the crash site. There should be an international investigation at this point. The Polish government is being stalled and manipulated, giving the Russians plenty of time to doctor the data as they wish, with ex-KGB master at the helm. Poland is in the EU--they should call on the EU to start an inquiry. ASAP.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

You know what I find so repugnant among many on this forum? Their blind zeal to so willingly throw the victims under the proverbial bus. First, by blaming Kaczynski for forced landing (with no proof whatsoever and witness accounts that refute that i.e. fuel dumping), then, when that got old and worn out, by blaming an experienced pilot like he's some two-cent amateur off the street, meanwhile blindly gulping down the convenient version of an old foe. Doesn't say much about your guys' intellect or common sense but, rather, lack thereof.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Yes I did look on the data sheet. The PDF file I posted shows a variety of Tups, the second photo isn't a 154, I don't think. Why would witnesses testify that they saw it dumping fuel if it didn't? Isn't witness testimony more valid than what propaganda would have you believe? After all, what the he'll do witnesses have to gain? WAKE UP. You want to prove how smart you all are--go to an aviation museum--I have one in my city--or research avionics at a library.
Olga   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

It is well known that Tupolevs are gas guzzlers, therefore aviation specifications REQUIRE that they be equipped with a fuel dumping system; precisely because they have a high fuel capacity. Their gas guzzling is one of the main reasons they were being phased out. Come on, people, this isn't rocket science. I have been on 2 commercial flights myself in which a fuel dump took place and outlet ports on the wings is where the fuel is ejected. What more proof do you need? This isn't rocket science. Well, actually, it appears that for some here it is...

Later.