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Kaczynski to be buried at Wawel ?!


spiritus 67 | 663
13 Apr 2010  #1
Although my heart goes out to the families of the dead the decision to bury Kaczynski and his wife at Wawel in Krakow is a bad one.

Wawel is where Polish kings, queens and heroes are laid to their rest and I find the decision wholly inappropriate.

Surely Powadzki in Warsaw would have been the perfect choice, the city where he lived, in a cemetery full of national patriots.

I fear the goodwill and sentiment may start to disappear with this poor decision.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Apr 2010  #2
Surely Powadzki in Warsaw

Powązki and i agree thats a deeply controversial decision.
jonni 16 | 2,485
13 Apr 2010  #3
Surely Powadzki in Warsaw would have been the perfect choice

Yes. In the aleje Zasłużonych would be appropriate for a president who died in office. I suspect that some of the other passengers will be buried there. Perhaps they want to make a distinction between him and the others.
jonni 16 | 2,485
13 Apr 2010  #5
Wasn't there some controversy because Czesław Miłosz wasn't buried there?
therobside 2 | 20
13 Apr 2010  #6
If Kaczyński is being buried here, Kaczorowski should be entitled to a spot at Wawel just as much. Kaczyński should be in Warsaw, where he was not only the mayor but also lived his life there. Hell, Kaczorowski had stated that he wanted to be buried in Kraków but they are burying him in Warsaw.
Torq 26 | 2,370
13 Apr 2010  #7
Kaczorowski had stated that he wanted to be buried in Kraków but they are burying him in Warsaw.

The late president Kaczorowski expressed his wish to be buried in London.

Those who disrespect his will and are trying to bury him in Poland, at all cost, are despicable.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
13 Apr 2010  #8
It's a really strange addition to the castle. I mean with all respects to the late President, I don't think I have ever met someone who liked him. So why the need to bury him in Krakow I have no idea.
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Apr 2010  #9
Terrible decision. Dying, regardless of how terrible that was, does not make one great.
pgtx 29 | 3,159
13 Apr 2010  #10
why do Poles always try to "over-do" things...? they shoule be buried in Warszawa...
jonni 16 | 2,485
13 Apr 2010  #11
I don't think I have ever met someone who liked him. So why the need to bury him in Krakow I have no idea.

Quite.

Terrible decision. Dying, regardless of how terrible that was, does not make one great.

Yes.

I wonder what Jarosław's role in the decision making process was...

The late president Kaczorowski expressed his wish to be buried in London.

People's wishes should always be respected. There is something of a precedent for this in Poland - I suspect the protocol is different if the person receives a State Funeral.
Torq 26 | 2,370
13 Apr 2010  #12
they shoule be buried in Warszawa...

I think so too, and President Kaczorowski should be buried in London, according
to his own will that he expressed. The fact that some people are disrespecting
his wish, and are trying to bury him in Poland, is beyond me!
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
13 Apr 2010  #13
why do Poles always try to "over-do" things...? they shoule be buried in Warszawa...

It seems a lot like it's going to be a show put on. Many of my Polish friends are saying it's like the church syndrome. They don't really care about the guy, but they have to show themselves to be caring and mourning in face of their neighbours ect.

Most Poles im talking with over here couldn't really care less about what had happened. Of course they are in shock, and its nothing you would want to happen. Maybe it will be a good turning point in Polish history. No more government stuck in the stone ages. Time for the young modern Poles to come through.
Eurola 4 | 1,906
13 Apr 2010  #14
I don't think I have ever met someone who liked him.

Really? Then how do you explain the crowds of mourning, crying people?
I think he was very patriotic and kept Poland from away from the liberal left. Maybe in a stubborn and not very diplomatic way, which many did not like, but still appreciated by others.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
13 Apr 2010  #15
I think he was very patriotic and kept Poland from away from the liberal left. Maybe in a stubborn and not very diplomatic way, which many did not like, but still appreciated by others.

Almost every person I knew thought he was the joke of Polish politics.
PolishNutjob 1 | 74
13 Apr 2010  #16
What exactly will they be burying? What type of residue was gleaned from a horrific plane crash? Did they locate a stray eyelash, or perhaps a fingernail fragment?
jonni 16 | 2,485
13 Apr 2010  #17
Really? Then how do you explain the crowds of mourning, crying people?

They were in shock at the whole giant tragedy and mourning the death of the president and the other famous and distinguished passengers. Not necessarily the individual as a politician.

kept Poland from away from the liberal left

Remember his party lost the general election.
pgtx 29 | 3,159
13 Apr 2010  #18
Time for the young modern Poles to come through.

i'm waiting for that and i'm hoping they will be smarter then they appear to be...
Eurola 4 | 1,906
13 Apr 2010  #19
I guess Polonia always has the opposite view, but you're right. Poles in Poland and only they should decide their future.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Apr 2010  #20
most every person I knew thought he was the joke of Polish politics.

Thats mainly because of how he said things, not what he said, Kaczyński was acutely aware of our national interest and attempted to protect it against all odds, PO on the other hand simply sold Poland to Germany.

Thats not to say he was not a clumsy arrogant fool but unlike Tusk he was a patriot and felt for Poland.

In the end i prefer an honest fool over a classy cynial prick.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
13 Apr 2010  #21
Still back to the original point, is he really getting buried in the castle or is it still up for debate?
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Apr 2010  #22
PO on the other hand simply sold Poland to Germany.

How?
Peter KRK
13 Apr 2010  #23
With all respect to the President Kaczyński, Wawel is a necropolis for national heros and great figures in Polish history and culture. Kaczyński definitely wasn't any of them. Not mention his undignified election campaign.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
13 Apr 2010  #24
When is he actually going to be buried? I heard on Saturday.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Apr 2010  #25
How?

For example by having Sikorski stay in Poland instead of attenting EU meeting which resulted in our loss of official positions.

PO is infiltrated by german christian-democrats to a massive extent, while the exact reason for it remains unclear it cannot be good and their moves due to which Poland loses more influence (and harbors and industry) show that Poland is victim of outside influence and inside treachery.

Thats not to say PiS was flowers and sunshine but better home grown idiots than people on foreign payroll.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,388
13 Apr 2010  #26
is he really getting buried in the castle or is it still up for debate?

thenews.pl says it's not official

When is he actually going to be buried? I heard on Saturday.

Sunday
Khalsa
13 Apr 2010  #27
Poland is a country famous for its patriots and heroes. Together with the extinct Polish nobility, the Wawel was the perfect place as a final resting place.

Lech Kaczynski and his wife are neither heroes nor nobility.
Their only claim to fame was dying in a calamatous plane crash probably caused by Kaczynski himself. Infact most Poles didnt even vote for Kaczynski !

Poles are emotional people and it seems emotion has now superceded common sense.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
13 Apr 2010  #28
Together with the extinct Polish nobility,

Last i checked they were alive and kicking, quite a lot of them around too, dinners at Brzeska always full.

Poles are emotional people and it seems emotion has now superceded common sense.

Quite a lot of Poles are opposed, in fact there was a demonstration in Kraków about 2 hours ago.
Khalsa - | 4
13 Apr 2010  #29
Last i checked they were alive and kicking, quite a lot of them around too, dinners at Brzeska always full.

If u r not being sarcastic, then I stand corrected. Please provide me with references as I understood that 95% of the Polish nobility was wiped out courtesy of the Sauerkraut brigade during WW2.

Quite a lot of Poles are opposed, in fact there was a demonstration in Kraków about 2 hours ago.

Excellent. More protests are required. I have been lambasted by many of my dear Polish friends for not being emotional enough about this so-called tragedy.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
13 Apr 2010  #30
Apr 13, 10, 22:37 - Thread attached on merging:
LK buried in Wawel?

Until now the Smolensk tragedy was handled in a neutral bi-partisan (and completely un-Polish way). Although I know from many friends and colleagues at work and friends they are astonished how the worst Polish president in living memories has been turned into a saint, just because his plane crashed. But in the present climate telling this in public amounts to suicide.

But now somebody (presumably his horrid brother JK) managed to arrange he will be buried in the Wawel crypt. Even worse, next to Piłsudski? That is such a scandal. I think the Field Marshal will turn in his grave - His Sanacja multicultural patriotism is for sure diametrical to the Endacja narrow-minded nationalism adhered by the Lunar Twins.

It looks to me JK is using two dead bodies to start the Presidential elections.
I am surprised though Cardinal Dziwisz agreed to that. Though his comments on TV were not all that happy.


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