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Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

I can't believe people would accuse the KGB in this time of democracy.

Not KGB per se, old KGB tactics and mentality which is still alive and well in Russia because of Putin.
Over next 5 years I predict, in this order:
1) Tusk will become president.
2) After Medvedev is out, Putin is back in as president.
3) Poland will withdraw from EU.
4) Similar tactics will be employed in Poland to supress dissent and suspicions as have been employed with control of Russian media, possibly including same tactics as those against Russian journalists.

5) Poland will have pipeline straight from Russia as reward.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

For what reason they would take a risk? Just for their "puppet Tusk"?

1) Reaction should be demanding fully open, accountable investigation--not Russia dictating it behind "iron curtain."
2) Russia dictating investigation means that no evidence will be found to refute what Russia is claiming.
3) "Puppet" Tusk was likely in on it--crying like a baby on Putin's shoulder is simply good acting job.

Thus, your key words are: "ex-KGB devil"

You are not looking for the truth - just playing with words to support your fobia

So, you think KGB are angels, and are not capable of this, huh? What the hell do you think they train for? If you really think that, you know nothing.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

CIA Factbooks has different data but never mind. ;)

It's open and available information, no CIA necessary for this one ;) Check EU statistics...more reliable than CIA propaganda.

[quote=]
Jed: I could be wrong, but from here Mr Tusk looks more pro-EU

Olga: No, he is very pro- close ties with Russia. Numerous news articles on that.

OK. Nothing bad with it.[/quote]
Bad, because making deal with as big a devil as ex-KGB will make you do stupid things. Ex-KGB spies have no place in politics. Expect corruption, manipulation, mafia mentality. Plus KGB training involves propaganda and avoiding detection. Who better to pull this off? And where better? No intrusions that way and you call the shots.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Absolutely...look how cozy he and Putin have become in the aftermath of this (all warm, fuzzy condolences are a good pretext to fool everyone so as not to arouse suspicion).

From pure economic point of view Mr Tusk looks more pragmatic - but definetely not a "Putin puppet"...

Politics and power corrupts even saints. And with Kaczynksi gone, the ball is in Tusk’s court. Do not forget how many of Tusk’s political opponents, aside from Kaczynski, were also on board. Kaczynski was a big thorn in the side of Russia and other Polish politicians because he was considered to be uncorruptible. Very difficult to get what you want with that type of personality, especially for Russia. Much easier now...;-)
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

I could be wrong, but from here Mr Tusk looks more pro-EU

No, he is very pro- close ties with Russia. Numerous news articles on that.

From pure economic point of view Mr Tusk looks more pragmatic - but definetely not a "Putin puppet"...

He is now ;-)

There’s already talk in the news that EU currency in 2015 in Poland may be postponed/cancelled

Make no mistake, Putin is veeeerrry happy about that. High zloty right now is good for Russian exports to Poland. Poland is Russia's most significant trading partner.

And Geogia is not NATO member - and will never be in current situation.

My point exactly...Russia got what it wanted and is delighted.. And Russia always gets what Russia want ;-) Georgia's bid for NATO was quashed by Russian tanks, do not forget.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

As far as I know they will build a branch of pipeline going from Nord Stream to Kaliningrad from where it could go directly to Poland too, perhaps.

Yes, with possibility of direct diversion to Świnoujście and Szczecin. But originally it was to go straight from Russia to Germany. So deal was likely made with Tusk (Putin's favorited Polish politician), to divert to Poland, under one condition...

How convenient that Tusk is now to run for President.

Pipeline was likely the reason for the falling out between Tusk and Kaczynski. Remember, Kaczynski was very pro-West:
"Polish premier's ill-fated trip shrouded in acrimony...
The ill-fated journey that wiped out Poland's governing elite on Saturday was prompted by an angry feud between President Lech Kaczynski and his Prime Minister over the country's tense relationship with Russia, it has emerged."

"Nord Stream Ensures Unrestricted Access to Polish Ports"

"Poles wary of Nord Stream pact"
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

"EU risks losing Ukraine"
euobserver.com/9/29831

Solution in Ukraine was to install puppet Yanukovich. Now gas running smoothly ;-) So, Tusk will run for President (next Putin puppet), and very likely win. Next news you will here is that Poland is withdrawing from EU and getting gas supply straight from Russia. There's already talk in the news that EU currency in 2015 in Poland may be postponed/cancelled, depending on stability of political situation.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

It is actulally non-existing - US plans were changed and no missile defense system will be placed in Poland.

You are right, Jed. The issue now is gas and pipeline running through Baltic, as well as Poland joining EU. As long as Poland is EU member, Russian gas will not go directly to Poland. Remember how pissed Russia was that Ukraine was to join and made their life miserable with cutting of gas supply? (Solution was to install Putin puppet Yanukovich). Poland does not want to be placed in same position. And remember how Georgia was punished for joining NATO? Tusk is next Putin puppet.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

I had actually read a comment from a Polish prosecutor quoted in British media a day or two ago.

Polish prosecutor only commented that pilot was not pressured to land. Here is the article:

reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B2Q820100412

But nothing has been heard of from Polish side concerning investigation. Others in Polish government, however, are already suspicous.

There was VERY bad blood between Kaczynksi and Putin/Tusk. Tusk and Kaczynski even had a falling out just few days earlier, which is why Putin only invited Tusk alone, and only after did Kaczynski go, without Tusk. Very convenient that Tusk was not on plane, no?
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Why don't you read some news other than state-approved propaganda?

Execution of journalists critical of Putin may be one reason you don't.

just because the are known to blame others does not mean we should too.

Just because you are being fed something, don't swallow it so willingly.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

some will not be happy until the finger is pointed squarely at some russians.

Don't forget, Russia is pro at blaming others...perfect example, 70 years of Katyn on Germans.

"Throughout history, Russian leaders have sought to suppress dissent by driving critics into exile - or worse"

kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/63490/

And nobody is blaming "Russians." Only stating obvious reasons why to be justifiably suspicious of Putin. You forget he is ex-KGB lieutenant colonel? Why don't you read some news other than state-approved propaganda?
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Remember, investigators are going ONLY on what air traffic controllers are telling them... and you think they would admit it, if that were the case? Flight data has only been examined so far by Russia, Polish investigation is myth.

"Russian officials have recovered the two cockpit voice recorders and are decoding them."

"Poland's post-crash sense of unity starts to fray ..Aviation experts say the probe of the crash is moving relatively quickly but some Poles are complaining about a lack of public information, including the transcript of conversation in the cockpit before the accident..."This investigation is moving rather quickly and I've seen more information released than I would normally expect," said Bill Voss, president of the U.S.-based Flight Safety Foundation."

... and he thought he could do it again with eyes practically closed.

Bulls**t
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Is there any chance for you that an advice of an air traffic controller was perhaps a lonely voice of an angel trying to rescue president from what had followed? He just was not listened well, perhaps.

Anything is "possible" in dreamland...what is most likely? Pilots of this caliber don't end up flying heads of state if they have a history of "not listening well." That is called "kamikaze." Pilot in this case was fluent in Russian and English and had just landed a plane there 3 days earlier.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Important thing in conspiracy theory is to find motives - who benefit and how?

Who benefits? Putin & Tusk
How? 1) Tusk's archrival is eliminated. It's common knowledge he despised Kaczynski. Now Tusk is considering running for presidency, with Putin's support. 2) Tusk, if elected, will withdraw Poland from plans for missile defense shield=Putin very happy.

"The plane crash that killed Poland's president and leading opposition politicians has removed at one stroke key opponents of Prime Minister Donald Tusk and his ruling centrist Civic Platform"

"Polish premier's ill-fated trip shrouded in acrimony...

The ill-fated journey that wiped out Poland's governing elite on Saturday was prompted by an angry feud between President Lech Kaczynski and his Prime Minister over the country's tense relationship with Russia, it has emerged."

"Vladimir Putin's brotherly embrace of a tearful Polish prime minister was one of the most powerful images beamed from the site of Saturday's plane crash that killed Poland's president and many of the country's elite."

"Poland PM Tusk Considers Running for President"

"The death of Poland's president carries a terrible echo of his country's past...When government ministers tried to haggle with America about a planned missile-defence base, he undercut them. Poland would be happy to have the installation on any terms. To Mr Kaczyński, his brother, and many of their supporters, Russia was still a menace, run by the former KGB... his arch-rival Donald Tusk..."

"Donald Tusk - a friend of Russia? Donald Tusk also hinted that the ABM issue has not been finalized and, hence, Moscow has a chance to persuade Warsaw not to host the American missile interceptors...Tusk mentioned one more problem in bilateral relations. Warsaw may "adjust its position" on oil and gas supplies. He meant primarily Yaroslaw Kaczynski's decision to build a terminal on the Baltic coast - in the event that Moscow stops gas supplies via the Yamal-Europe pipeline.

"Redzikowo Missile Defense Shield"
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Surely. I would bet - not less than 14-15 yrs ago, since so fluent English in addition to native Polish takes some time.. ;) Or it was Polish in addition to native English? ;) If so, I will double lower limit - Polish is not so easy to learn.

Your smarminess is unbecoming.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

but just because a bunch of russians say they have nothing to gain do not be convinced

That's precisely what I find so ironic--that, having been lied to for 70 years about Katyn, Polacy are still naive enough to so quickly accept this latest Kremlin version of events, no questions asked. Ask yourselves, who had the means, the motive and, of course, the opportunity? Taken with the circumstances, and events that led up to it, I think it's obvious. What--like air controllers can't be bribed or threatened? Look who's in charge...