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Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

Hmm...where does Germany fall in that?

After WWII and during the occupation the allies (mainly the US) "helped" drafting the new laws, not at least the basic law....at least in the West....in the East the USSR "helped"....

Our basic law doesn't look Napoleonic....

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


Yeah...well....you are dumb! That isn't forbidden....be glad!

History / Benefits of being Polish nationalist: is there any? [7]

What.Is.Your.Problem!

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

Do you think I really have a problem because I shouldn't say that I want someone killed?


Erm...nooooo?

"Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also an exception to free speech. ..."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Lookie: "speech that incites imminent lawless action"

Like in: I want someone killed! ?

But that one is tough: "Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also an exception to free speech"

In Germany people do that all the time...

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


Heh:) Just an opinion....


Yeah well...it seems Germany puts people before property....but to each its priorities!

If jewish or polish feelings had been the only thing which gotten hurt because of incitement of hatred Germany would surely be more generous today too.....

But then the US has other problems right now, correct? Something with the Blacks? They got hurt and killed in the US past alot, and now the chicken come home to roost!

It's not anylonger true that you can say what you want, at least compared with what you could say and do before, isn't it....

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

Did you now at last get the difference between a Meinung and Volksverhetzung?

I can't explain that possibly more slowly....

Last try:

Me: Rich is a dumb *******! = opinion = allowed!(You would have to accept that)

Me: Rich hates Germany, he needs to die, lets kill him! = incitement to hatred = not allowed! (You could take me to court for that)

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


If your "opinion" contains the wish for the murder of a people or a group of people then you can get problems, yes.

But its not so simple at all....the judges have to walk a fine line to still guarantee Article 5. For example there was the case of a leftist using a sticker "Soldaten sind Mörder!" (Soldiers are killers)

Someone took that to court because he believed that to be a case of "Volksverhetzung", many agreed but the judges didn't and set said leftist free. Again, many in Germany disagreed and thought the judgement wrong, but so it was.

It has to be more than just an opinion, believe it or not! For example if a Muslim would openly ask for the beheading of a teacher that would fall totally under that paragraph.

But that "hole" is actually quite small and must be clearly met.

What would interest me, which of your opinions you wouldn't dare to utter in Germany, or on a german board? Maybe I can help?

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

*nods*

Some people have a hard time accepting that....

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

Are we still talking about how much Hitler loved his country?

Because that still doesn't fall under it....its still only an idiotic opinion....and idiocy isn't forbidden!

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


No, I'm not!

"Hitler loved his country" = personal opinion = erlaubt

Acting like loving Hitler as in:

"Jews are parasites who need to be gassed!" = Volksverhetzung = also a lie = verboten

(And yes, repeating that lie led to at least 6 million people murdered. That's why Germany takes such things more seriously. Thats what this law wants to stop from happening ever again!)

Is it really so difficult?

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


YES

Article 5 of the german Basic Law:

"Everyone has the right to freely express and disseminate his or her opinion in words, writing and pictures"

So yes, I could write in a german forum that Hitler had loved his country. Because it would be my opinion. An embarrassing opinion but wtf...

To deny the Holocaust on the other hand doesn't fall under "opinion"...its a flat out denial of a fact. It may be acceptable in countries which hadn't had to do anything with it, but not in Germany. So that isn't allowed either, additionally the usage of the symbols of its perpetrators like the Hakenkreuz...

Not so difficult, right?


Why don't you listen and learn something? Our grandparents lived through it all...

Again I wonder...you wish the worst on Germany again and again, you are so full of hate for the Germans for what they did under Hitlers rule, shouldn't you hate Hitler at least as much as Germany and the Germans???

Why the sympathy?

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


And you love it! Is that the reason why you like Hitler? Because he and his followers had been the reason for Germany's destruction? That would make at least a tiny bit of sense...even only a weird one....


I agree with Tacitus, Hitler loved an idea of a Germany, not Germany the real existing country! Or otherwise he wouldn't had seen a need to expell, terrorize and murder so many of its citizens before he attacked its neighbours.

Remember, bevor he attacked Poland he drove hundreds of thousands out, jailed everybody he found "undesirable", murdered babies for being "unworthy" of life....

He was full of hate and contempt for everybody who didn't fit his inhuman ideal! His dream became the nightmare of millions, and as his vision was burnt to ash in the end he dared to blame those who stood by him till the last.

That has nothing to do with real love, he was a maniac...a nutter....

PS: If Hitler would rule today I probably wouldn't dare to say anything else but how my mighty Führer loves his country...because of fear for my life...but it still wouldn't be true!


I for one feel strong ties to Poland due my family history...I'm very interested in the happenings there....I got alot from the contact with Poles during the years. Sadly many of my old friends and aquaintances don't visit PF regularly any more (if at all), but I will always be glad I got to know them!

I doubt there is a similar forum in Austria or Mongolia....

News / Coronavirus in Poland [6460]

Interesting new finds about "long Covid":

Clues to long covid

People who survive severe covid-19 appear to end up with a prematurely-aged immune system and other persistent immunological problems, which may be the underlying cause of long covid. The immune response to acute covid-19 is now well understood, but the longer-term effects are only just coming to light. The preliminary results from three studies looking into these long-term effects were reported last month at a virtual conference hosted by the UK Coronavirus Immunology Consortium and the British Society for Immunology. Together they suggest that the immune system gets a nasty hangover from the virus, but that it may be reversible.

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Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

Well....you are a one-trick-pony....or more like a "broken record". You keep asking the same question over and over again....and so you will get always the same answer!

I wouldn't even post "Hitler loved Germany" seriously on PF, then why should I do that on a german forum?

And no, he didn't love Germany....or maybe he did like you do....totally destroyed best!

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

I could post that....but why should I? Its just not true!

After his "show of love" Germany was in ruins, his image and his people destroyed, half of its territory lost....it was occupied and partitioned for decades....what "love" is that.

I could also post "the Earth is flat"....or that the Chinese Virus is a conspiracy by some jewish? secret world government....sure....but afterwards I wouldn't be taken seriously for any discussion anymore either. I would become lonely on any german forum pretty quick soon.

And yes, credibility is the issue here! In a discussion board the only one you have....

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


Not the details....only that it made alot of people really scared....nobody knew anything only that maybe any innocent board admin could now be heavily punished for everything even if its not in his power...so Torq closed PF down....just to be sure...

"The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) is the toughest privacy and security law in the world. Though it was drafted and passed by the European Union (EU), it imposes obligations onto organizations anywhere, so long as they target or collect data related to people in the EU."

gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


You presume it doesn't get any worse....I just hope!

Na ja...we will see....

Have to leave now! 'night

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


Nah its not. Who says what is "hatred"? Another opinion than the government? Alone the framing "Hass und Hetze" is totally subjective and can be used for whatever....thats the problem. Also that wishy washy word "Demokratieförderung"....its this easily bendable wording which makes these laws easy to use for those with power!

Oh and in a democracy EVERYBODY should be able to say his opinion without having to fear for their careers....not only a selected few whose opinion is officially "acceptable"!

Do you see where we are going?


Maybe we are just more sensitized to possible losses because we remember the times without, whereas many Wessis take everything they had been given for granted because they never experienced the loss?

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

I wouldn't describe this feeling more and more have as "Ostalgia" though...that would mean a kind of yearning for these times...quite the contrary actually!

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]


Why not? Not even the "good cause" to guard the people from (insert enemy of the day)? Of course framed and worded abit more fashionable today though....

Has the medial reaction to "Allesdichtmachen" not shocked you? I got goosebumps as some actors had been forced to withdraw and to "apologize" in front of that shitstorm to keep their careers.

Bad memories for Ossis everywhere, Tacitus. Maybe as a born and bred Wessi you don't know what path we are on...that it had been Jan-Josef Liefers who still stands by it was no accident either...he remembers too...he has lived through that once before too.

Off-Topic / Why PF has died. [121]

Other countries have a wider definition of Meinungsfreiheit?

I wouldn't want a german view of freedom of opinion as the one and only either....not with all the new laws against "Hass und Hetze" and for "Demokratieförderung" which go more or less against only one direction. Reminds me to much about all the laws in the GDR against any serious opposition, sorry...

News / Coronavirus in Poland [6460]

We will never get back to normal!

After current statistics about 80 million people (of about 1.2 billion infected) are suffering the symptoms of "long Covid" (mainly fatigue, breathlessness, so called "brain fog") and will be unable to return to the work they used to do before they got infected. Many of them will be unable to work anymore at all, without a cure in sight.

That will have especially dire short and long term consequences for the labour markets in the highly industrial economies!

focus.de/partner/economist/long-covid-syndrom-arbeitgeber-und-das-gesundheitswesen-muessen-sich-besser-auf-long-covid-patienten-einstellen_id_13271500.html

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Vincent? Are you the only mod?

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