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....no, thats not! At least no longer...not with a majority! It's more the persistent reminder about how stupid and playable former german govs had been...Iron is not wrong here.

Between Schröder and Merkel, sympathy for Russia and pure economical and energetical interests had won over political skill and plain solidarity with our neighbours. Only to be played for fools by Putin. Nobody with a conscience wants to be reminded about such failures.

On the other hand...its not quite clear what to do with these terrorists should they truly be delivered to Germany...to german justice....I guess they could expect a lawful trial, but how should a punishmen for such a thing look like....do they deserve a punishment in the first place? Questions over questions!
So...Poland not delivering them to Germany is not the worst way out of this...

No...I wouldn't call that "frustration about blowing up the infrastructure"....its more about shame about what led to this situation! That Germany made itself dependent on a warmongering autocrat who had no qualms to invade a neighbour...its the whole disappointment about Putin and our own gullibility in trusting him...its more than just a pipeline...

Its a mess of feelings, hard to put into words (especially non-native english, so excuse me when I'm sometimes hard to understand, I try my best!:)

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...just hunch!

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....if they did they most probably wouldn't tell about it in after-war Poland!

I guess it would be the same with decent Palis....telling or showing that they helped Jews might be their death sentence....

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Why? He tried his best to free them...and eventually he got them back home.

He isn't the sadistic kidnapper here...

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Wow....just found on X:

....I'm not sure to be proud of it....

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....am I to late to this discussion?

But seriously Bobko....I as a German feel with my gov, it's a seldom stupid situation and I guess you won't hear much from us...it's just a to **** situation, we are at a loss for words...

*getting red, starting to sweat, twiddling thumbs, hoping for another more important topic soon*

PS: The only one with a clear and loud opinion is actually former Chancellor Schröder, now answering a fact-finding commitee regarding Nordstream 2, who tells everybody, if he wants to hear it or not, that he did everything right and wouldn't change a thing....

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Yeah....funnily nobody crys "Nie wieder ist jetzt" when these red idiots want another try at socialism....

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...because it IS THEIR LAND! Has been even before the Arabs came...they have been ethnically cleansed before, they won't allow that again!


@Barney

Just saying....every try to justify Hamas today is a nod to the Nazis back then, they did nothing else...and making the Allies the bad guys!

That's why I keep bringing that comparison up...not for nothing have these Arabs been such fans of Hitler (and most Palis still are)!

Just think about that for a moment....look for better company, they are just not worth your support, and at best you are totally naive.

'night all *waves*

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Not unprovoked, Barney!

Believe me, Hitler would had been just an unimportant footnote of history hadn't he been able to count on and grow huge on feelings of suffered injustice after WW1 and wishes for revenge, for getting back what was lost/taken away!
The same as Hamas does with the Palis today....and as with Germany back then...instead getting back what we lost, every lost war made us smaller, left us less land. The Palis better stop that now or they will lose also even more land, and never get anything back!

And its neither genocide nor colonialism.....neither get all Palis murdered for just being Palis nor does Israel want anything from them, just being left alone! They build huge fences for stopping Palis coming in....that has nothing to do with undertaking a genocide or wanting to colonialize anybody but anything with guarding their homes!

You should google these words for their true meaning, Barney!

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I think not!

Its similiar....WWII did only end with the total destruction of the Nazis and their infrastructure....even the ethnic cleansing of german lands was necessary! Brutal, inhuman, cruel with lotsa innocent victims but with the hindsight of nearly a century peace, necessary!

The Palis stand before the same question...fighting and suffering and dying for lost lands, for a past that will never come back or do away with their terrorist overlords and accept the peace they get!

And Israel does its best to destroy the terrorist infrastructure, helping the peace-preferring civilians along....these situations are definitely comparable!

PS: Maybe a good start would be to avoid such bummer-words like "genocide" generally....all your argumentation gets devalued by using such words, its just plain wrong. For that to many Palis still exists and keep on living, totally unthreatened!

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Where is the difference between russian soldiers sneaking over the border and murdering, kidnapping Ukrainian civilians, women and children and Hamas terrorists doing it within Israel?

Ukraine tries to defend itself, its people and its border....Israel does exactly the same....only so much more effective!

Is that the difference you mean? Jews being able to defend themselves and punish the murderers? Would you prefer them also helplessly looking on? Begging the uncaring world community for help? What would you have them doing instead what you could still support?

A "litmus"-test question from me....do you think the total destruction of Germany (aka Dresden) was necessary to end this war, to end the Nazis? Would that also fall under "genocide" and if not, why not?

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Why does an Irish support islamist terror? Because its far away....yet....

You don't have many islamists between your borders actually, haven't you Barney? No attacks, no murders, no amok killing sprees?

Be glad about it....but don't be naive! For them you are no different to any other Westerner which needs to be converted or killed.....just stop and think for a minute what you are supporting so strongly!

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....you surely mean democratic state!


Barney would hate to live under HAMAS rule...as a leftie he would not survive for long!

In Israel he would...the big difference...

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.....yeah, have to go too...but will think about my words, in bed! :)

'night all *waves*

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News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


....IMHO that was different....the war against Bolshewism/Communism was no local war, it was european wide, even global!

Only because of that the SS found lotsa young men in every european country to fight for the good cause....The Waffen-SS was the first european army actually....the threat was felt everywhere....and Sovietrussia served as the bad, warning example....the majority wasn't happy and surely would have helped if they could have been sure the invaders came as liberators from Stalin and his ilk, not to kill and enslave them themselves!


*nods*

....nuff said!

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....imagine the Nazis invading Sovietrussia without the whole "Untermensch"-crap....really working to gain the sympathies and support of the people, who surely had no love for Stalin etc....the whole european history would look different today!

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It wasn't the fight against bolshewism, which did them in...it was their cruelty....more people feared them instead of greeting them as liberators.

In that regard, yes...idiots!

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....heh:) Yeah...it would be a curious fit! :)

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I can tell you why, Torqi....you kept on insisting on your independence...your own statehood!

You could be German today.....or Russian....but noooooo.....;)

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Better not! I would hate to read about Bobko, that he leaned to far out of a window.....

Dissent from the safe couch is the most easiest!

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Heh:) IMHO a #1 question!

Most of these super "progressive" types of supporters would hate having to live with them as their neighbours....they are so mendacious!

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Germans so LOVE him! *sniffles* :)

.....we would worship his statues, if we had some....

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....and in what way are they inferior to...say....Germans?

Nah...all our countries (with a long enough history) had had the bad luck ruled by psychopaths at one time or other, with lacking opposition....who throws the first flawless stone in that, maf!

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No, its surely not, maf!

...and you know it....and Bobko is not Putin!

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Nah....Germany is out of that game for good!

We not even feel the fiery urge anymore...its all just such a cold "blah"....

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Oh I know....:)


Nah....you have not proven that yet, that rebuilding, that being able to "rise from the ashes"........and hopefully you never will!

Remember...even Jesus lost...he was crucified first....before his belief could win the world.

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....self-made!

Once Russia gets invaded/liberated by a world alliance, its borders newly drawn (much smaller of course), it's riches shipped out for reparations, it's institutions observed and controlled by foreigners, it's whole statehood remade and renamed...etc. we could talk again!

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@Bobko

...what you cite are the normal happenings of history....every country alive for more than a few centuries experienced them...it's not the same kind of foreign disintegration/ending as what Poland or Germany had gone through...absolutely not!

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Na ja....maybe Russia would get help too once they see the uselessness of the "blood and steel" way....but still they would have to use the help in the right way!