Genealogy / DOLOVITZ - LAST NAME; NEVER SEEN IN AMERICA [11]


It should be something like that, I suppose:
Hungarian: Dolovics, Dolovicz
Hebrew: דלבץ
Yiddish: דאלאװיץ

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]


In fact Suchowola is 28 km from pre-war Polish border with Eastern Prussia (Germany). Moreover this segment of German border was one of the most stable in European frontiers (from early 14. century to 1939). 28 km it's not so much - only 4 Polish miles.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


And what about
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
You don't need any q'marks, dots & commas and it's still a valid sentence.
What a buffalo!

OK, I give up with this:
Nordöstersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranlägeningsmaterielunde rhållsuppföljningssystemdiskussioninläggförberedelsearbeten
And puzzle: what is the language of it?

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]


I don't think so.
The name looks like a patronymic - meaning a son of Tatar - from Tatar which was either a ethnonym (Tartar) of the forefather or his moniker. If he had even lightly slanted eyes or mongoloid forehead he could obviously be called Tatar. There are 184 persons in Poland with this surname:


Surnames in old Poland were not officially assigned. They were recognized.
If somebody wanted to write a record about his possession or declare an inheritance, he went to the gród (court) and made it written to the records. He declared himself by surname he used to be called.

Next: if he achieved some privilege from the king - he was addressed by the surname. Sometimes, especially if he was of the foreign origin, he was granted with a coat of arms and surname. Later if he wanted to prove his nobility, he produced all such evidences.

Assignments started in police states which occupied Polish territory after partitions.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]


Dolovitz could originate from Dołowicz - 106 persons in Poland have this surname:
The name looks like patronymic from Dołow or toponymic from Dołów, Dołowice, Dołowicze, Dół or Doły.

Piekakin looks like Russian name: Пекакин or in old Russian ortography: Пѣкакінъ, what - I guesstimate - could mean: 'someone who used to bake'. Good moniker for a baker.


Old Poland had no heraldic authority.
It was royal prerogative to grant Polish nobility (nobilitatio) or to acknowledge foreign nobility (indigenatus). Polish noble families could also make a private adoption to their surname and coat of arms.

However the King or JKM (which is Polish abbreviation for His Majesty) could do it at his own discretion only to 1578.
The Constitutio of the Sejm (Polish Diet) limited these powers. Since then JKM could grant nobility only during the Sejm proceedings or in case of war. It was further restricted in 1613 when all grants were made possible only during the Sejm proceeding and only after the instruction of deputies or a hetman.

The grants were written in the [i]Metri
administered by The Royal Chancellor.

These inscriptiones are still there in
The Old Records Archives
agad.archiwa.gov.pl/pomoce/MK_inw.xml
in Warsaw and everybody can dig in this immense set of documents from 1414 - 1820. However Swedes, Russians and Saxons had stolen them, they were recovered.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


Bravo! Svenska indeed.

Nordöstersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranlägeningsmaterielunde rhållsuppföljningssystemdiskussioninläggförberedelsearbeten means just:

Preparation work to participate in a discussion on the base material support maintenance system for the coast artillery flight simulator in Northern Baltic.

and in Polish:
Prace przygotowawcze do udziału w dyskusji nad systemem utrzymania wsparcia materialnego symulatora nadzoru z powietrza dla artylerii nadbrzeżnej Północnego Bałtyku.
And was the longest word (130 chars) in the world acc to Guiness Book of Records.

And what about:
Hottentottenstottertrottelmutterbeutelrattenlattengitterkofferattentä ter?

History / Kashubians are nation in Poland? [123]


You're right BB, as they were in... 1772.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


2010 Polonophobe of the Year Award goes to...

Harry

Standing ovulation please!

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Thanks. However one smack isn't enough, as we can see from his immediate next post.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


So you ask kindly for a smack too. ;-)

That's not a matter of ethnicity. I'm a Pole though I'm here to learn how foreigners and Poles from abroad see some things and let them know how I see it; not to evangelize or polonize, and in no case to cure someone's frustrations.

Is it the right place, or I misspelled an URL?

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Harry as in most cases (not all however) missed some important facts again. The Polish-Czech conflict was started by Czechs in 23.01.1919 when Poles were engaged in the defense of Lwów, Greater Poland insurrection and in organizing their country.

It was Masaryk who made first ultimatum when he didn't recognize the armistice frontier line between Polish and Czech local national councils made in 5.11.1918 after the collapse of the Austro-Hungary. And it was Czech army which invaded this region and took almost whole of its territory, but they were stopped by Entente and the plebiscite was declared.

However Czech president Masaryk have more time to talk away Entente ministers than Polish one, because Poland was indeed fighting the Bolsheviks in 1920 when the final decision to cease most of disputed area to Czechoslovakia was declared 28.07.1920.

If they did wait to September, it could be another one.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


If you still be using such an accusations and epithets, nobody will read your posts and the sympathy of readers will go to Harry, even if he's a biased polonophobe and serves factoids instead of facts. So, please, stop!

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Good excuse for an invasion of a country.

If you stop this simplistic accusation-counteraccusation convention you can start to think how it all happened and maybe it will be better understood why both nations simplified facts and drove both countries to ruins so early.

Poles were in 2/3 of area of the Principality of Cieszyn in majority, however they were almost all from lower class, while upper classes were German and middle class and educated workforce Czech. Most of engineers in coal mines for example were of Czech origin. Some of Poles were emigrants from Galicia, and some Czech were emigrants from Bohemia and Moravia.

Poles perceived Czechs as immigrants supported by Germans in taking better job posts and blocking chance to advance for Polish workers. On the other side Czechs considered Poles as even worse immigrants and not educated at all louts. So ethnic division was redoubled by class divisions and alien-own xenophobia.

There were more turmoils in 1918-1920 with clubbers from both sides assaulting prominent activists from another party.

And looking from the Prague it was quite another story. They were granted with a country which had so big German minority that they simply didn't use an ethnic argument in territorial claims. They used a historic one. They were saying Bohemia, Moravia and whole Slezsko were Czech historic territories of the Crown of St. Wenzel.

While Poles wanted to make in Silesia an application of the self-determination (ethnic) rule according to Wilson's declaration. There was no common ground for discussion with so defined prerequisites. And there was a great distrust between both parties to break through the impasse. In the meantime there was blind trust in negotiating abilities in Entente.


Yeah. I do care. I want to see the other's point of view. If only spoken or written about facts and perceptions without insults and epithets.


From where do you know Marek's family so well?
I was told Englishmen never talk about other's money.
You should shame.


I do kindly request for not calling me a liar, please.
It just looks like some battle between en.wiki and pl.wiki.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


So Englishwomen who wrote a book about Englishmen's social behaviour was totally inaccurate. I suspected it. So I thank you. Goodnight and good luck, you bad hard boy. Sorry no kisses

Genealogy / Some Macedonian, Croatian, Serbian Second Names look Polish! [38]


Rakowski is patronymic from Rak or toponymic from Raki, Rakowo, Rakowa, Rakówka.
There is no slightest fonetical path to draw it from Racowie, sorry.

Life / Giving tips in Poland [235]

I don't know what are you talking about. It's a practice to tip 10% in restaurants in Poland. Waiters are underpaid and tips make up a big part of their wage. Unless of course they make you angry.

There is no practice to tip anywhere else, even if servicemen try to suck it out from you.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


It was well discussed in another thread. And the versions of the history in different idioms are different - yes it's true, so what. English historians ignore EE historians and vice-versa, especially pop-historians.

Serious historians try to write well documented, unbiased reconstructions of facts. But they aren't well paid, because their books are not selling well. So there aren't many of them. And gigantic gap in knowledge on the both sides need more work than few guys can do.

And what is selling well? Simplistic stories with emotional twist, demanding no further knowledge of facts. But who cares? Maybe you, Harry? You pretend you have the best knowledge of history of the Poland. According to your posts your basic knowledge of history is deposited on en.wiki (of course for safety reasons) and family tales.


Wrong question! Why Poles and Ukrainian fight each other - it's an unbiased question.
Austrian playing divide and rule rules supported you in making a coup d'etat in Lemberg on 1.11.1918 - this is how it was seen by local Poles. And next. Next logics of war triumphed.

UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [437]


Maybe the problem is with you, Nataliee.
You answered in your profile No thank god on the question, if you speak Polish.
You must hate Poles, and believe me it must be easily perceived by your Polish interlocutors. They give you tit for tat.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

BB don't be so strong relativist. Only true is interesting according to Józef Mackiewicz, very interesting but not a mainstream historian and journalist. And the true is...

Veritas est adaequatio rei et intellectus.

You can't stop people from warming over old stories. The only way to disarm these rusty grenades is to show facts. But you're of course right that some facts mean something to one party and not at all to another. Anyway without these old stories Europe would be...

...wouldn't be at all.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Yes, you're maybe right. The historic argument as in Czech case was more adequate in the East.


As you already stated in Lemberg there were 60:17 ratio of Poles to Ukrainians. You've shot in your own foot.

And some evidence about ethnic situation of the Cieszyn region you can find on this forum:
polishforums.com/free-translation-42/need-english-translation-birth-baptismal-document-42217/.

You can see from the baptismal certificate attached there what was the language of parish of Karwina now Karvina.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


You're right. I see you know German very well. It should be written according to some Germanists as:
Beutelrattenlattengitterkofferhottentottenstottertrottelmutterattentä ter

It's from Tuwim's book "Pegaz dęba" and is allegedly of Namibian origin, where you had had German-Hottentot cohabitation and means:

The killer of the Hottentot mother of a moron and stammerer, who was held in a weave box for kangaroos.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]


There were no wandering Royal clerk of such kind. People used to have a head, so they were paying pogłówne (head tax), if they had a hut or house with a chimney, they were paying podymne (chimney tax). No need for surnames just pay and go away.


It isn't quite true in fact. In Old Poland there were indeed custom to get names with -ski endings only by noblemen. But as it was considered to be better name than other, many people from other estates started to use it: burghers and from XIX century even peasants. But there were some decent nobleman Walerian Nekanda Trepka who traced such cases. He wrote in 1624 Liber chamorum or Book of louts where he put all peasants and burghers who tried to pretend noblemen.

-icz ending is a patronymic form while -ski is a toponymic one. Firstly -icz was limited to Eastern Borderland as it is phonologically Ruthenian version of Polish -ic/-yc. Later it became more popular in all territories of the Commonwealth. And indeed it looks like -wicz was more 'democratic' and was widely used by burghers - especially of Ruthenian ancestry.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


In fact you did shoot. Not with true facts. You shouldn't see it as a merit to give some true evidence. You did shoot because you hadn't even noticed the coincidence between the very fact that Lemberg was predominantly Polish on 1.11.1918 with an argument of self-determination and self-defence of these population.

The map you've produced is no ethnic map at all. Just administrative division with some districts where Ukrainians hadn't majority. Shame to you. There are some maps you could use in support of your claims.


Shame again to you, Nathan. You should go back some more hundred years to Mongols, Avars or Goths.

The fact is that Lwów was in Poland from 1349 to 1772 (423 years). All these changed it's demography and structure so deeply, that only a nuke can change it totally. And later despite of Austrian efforts to germanize the city it was still a vital economic and cultural centre of Polish subjects. Since 21.12.1867 (Dezemberverfassung) Galicia gained autonomy and Lemberg as capital of Galicia exploded with Polish institutions. And it lasted till 28.09.1939 and demographically even to 1946.

So you have 500 hundred years long Polish presence in Lwiw, Lwów, Leopolis, Lemberg. Let's wait to the year 2446 or if you prefer to 2439 and then evaluate as equal hosts there. But I wish you Ukrainians all the best and to win this comparison.

News / Should 16-year-olds in Poland vote? [58]

21 years is a proper age to execute all citizen's prights.
If a young Polish male can't marry without supervision,
if he can't decide about himself, why he could decide about another's fate.

I wonder why in USA, someone who even can't choose a poison for himself,
can decide about what his government will do to another copatriots.

Right to vote is not about voter's liberty,
it's about limiting liberty of other citizens (or better said subjects).

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


It's difficult to explain cause I don't know who you are. If you're an Irish, I do understand why you didn't.

But in case you're a proud Englishman you could recall Wales, Scotland, Ireland (yes), not forgetting about Jersey, Guernsey et al., Gibraltar, Malta, Cyprus, Ionian Is., half of Africa, Arabian Coast (I'd prefer to omit Palestine for security reasons), 3 Indias, Ceylon, Burma, Malayas, Hong-Kong, King-Kong and some thousand isles more.

Poles were more docile. They just wanted to build some houses, sow some wheat and sell it to lackland Britons and Dutch.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Soviet puppets and mostly criminals.


They had inherited power from last elected government and held insignia. The same as most of governments in exile.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Think before you shoot.
Are you even real or just an avatar of some polonophobe (maybe Harry) invented to illustrate Polish impetuosity, groundlessness, sabre-shaking.

Maybe you're just warming up to fight on a stadium or better in its proximity.
You should know you have the exact mirror shape just around the border. He's name is Zaliznobokij. you can try to beat him, and I even won't cheer you..

..and in any case him, anyway.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Damn! So you are one of this strong in mouth not in mind faggots who sees a woman in every man.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Thanks, Harry for the link hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1946/jun/05/foreign-affairs
And you have there:
Churchill: ...Let me be quite honest. We have not invited the Navy and the Army...

Yes, it's taken out from context, precisely how you used to do it, but still true and taken from this arrogant looser, Churchill.

And one again paragraph (very tasty):
I believe it is a fact, to put it mildly, that there is as much freedom in Spain under General Franco's reactionary regime- and actually a good deal more security and happiness for ordinary folk-as there is in Poland at the present time.

What a believer - he exactly knew it was far more worse in Poland.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

OK. Zaliznobokij. Don't cite me. And I won't either. Peace out!