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right, because there aren't any white europeans living in america..........................

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sure.

if i so much as spit out one grammatically correct polish sentence in public, everyone's head turns in amazement, followed by, "you speak Polish?........but........why?!"

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May, unpredictable weather and routinely sees temperatures under 10C. September? Even colder than May often times.

delphiandomine wrote:


how many times are you gonna use that line on someone when you have nothing else to say. Mind you all, it generally comes right after someone puts down Poland in a strong way, and is for the most part right on point. Like:

yeah, I know comments like that sting Delphiandomine, but just learn to come to terms with the fact that the general public thinks Poland sucks in general, along with it's language.


wrong, wrong and wrong. Let me give you an example of how ridiculous you sound: English isn't hard! Ok, so I don't use any articles, I only use 2 tenses, I can't form any conditionals, I don't really understand any phrasals, my sentence structure is a bit messed up, but I can communicate just fine! Piece of cake!

If you speak a language grammatically incorrect, such as no declensions in Polish, I can assure you that people do not understand you "just fine" and you don't understand them nearly as well as you think. We'll see what tune you start singing when you sit down with a Polish teacher for a few months and they teach you how to REALLY speak the language and not sound like a caveman. After 3 months of the teacher correcting every single sentence you create because it's the farthest thing from grammatically correct, talk to me about what you think of the Polish language. What a joker.


sometimes i guess i underestimate the stupidity on this forum. let me ask you this....you cross the border into Poland and you want residency......you have 90 days to do so before your travel visa expires.....and in that time, you're supposed to march into all necessary Polish offices and take care of business.....IN POLISH? whatever or whomever, it's a bad idea having a governmental office completely absent of english speakers. it only makes things more difficult for foreigners hoping to come here and work/live. period.

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Ehhhhccchhh! If I must....it's been a while since I had a go at Delphianedomine......


If pants and sweaters and jackets weather is "perfectly warm" for you, so be it. Others have different expectations.


man, you are so predictable. the "why are you here" comment. Regardless of why I'm here Delphianedomine, it doesn't change the fact that my statement was a true statement. I'm calling a spade a spade, much like the original post I quoted and commented on did.


That's an interesting, and entertaining theory, considering "the general public" has never even been to America. If you add up those that have never been there with the number of people that don't even speak English, meaning they have to get all their information about America on TVN and Polsat, you'd have an even bigger number, and that number would beeeeeeeee.................the majority of Poland. MEANING, if your theory is true, most people in Poland are ignorant and their opinions unjustified regarding the USA.

Whatever you need to tell yourself at night when your head hits the pillow so you can sleep comfortably, Delphine.


that's a simple answer: because 1.5 BILLION PEOPLE speak it as a second language in the world. it's DOMINANTLY the international language of the world. what other reason do you need. it's simply good business.


you couldn't be more wrong, but you've got such an anti-american agenda, there's no convincing you otherwise, making you just as bad, or worse, than who you CLAIM I am.

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this statement, when considering context and sarcasm coupled with the posts that came shortly before and after, says so much about soooo many other issues/threads/arguments/debates on this forum. maybe you don't recognize it right away, but for those cheering on the author of that statement, it will come back to haunt you......


most certainly: chicago.msz.gov.pl/en/

That's the main page of The Consulate General of the Republic of Poland in Chicago, written entirely in Polish. You can click on the USA flag for English, but Polish is given priority.

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HAHAHA..........szach-mat.

apparently stevepl is the only one on this forum who was given a license for clever posting.

watch it boys. stay here too long and you'll lose your sense of humor all together.

enjoy the weather, i'm off to bed.

-The Fuzz

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I keep hearing this rationale, but fail to recognize how this is some big gift to America. First of all, one would have to assume that this war is entirely in America's interest and has nothing to do with the security of others, meaning that terrorism along with the threat of nuclear weapons would not affect other countries in Asia, Europe, etc. in the future if these terrorist groups were left alone. I don't want to argue reasons for going/staying in the middle east to fight wars, but you are in fact making the assumption that the only country that benefits from defeating world terrorism is America.....so every country fighting in this war deserves some sort of present for being there.

I'm sure you aren't suggesting that just Poland deserves something, right?

If the war in the middle east ends up protecting other countries from say a nuclear attack, would those countries then owe Poland for sending troops to Iraq/Afghanistan?

You mention NATO as a "bargaining chip".....does "NATO" stand for "The Organization of Protecting ONLY America"? One could argue all day long whether or not NATO is worth the money or how poorly it's run, but in the end NATO is an alliance for protecting its neighbors in time of need. Why would America then be obliged to give Poland some sort of present for joining? Sorry to say buddy, but America gains very little with Poland on their side regarding national security compared to what Poland has to gain.

Let's take a closer look at dear ole' Poland:

holocaust less than 70 years ago? check.

years of communism forced upon them by neighboring Russia, only ending 20 years ago? check.

an abysmal military if attacked by any bordering countries? check.

you tell me who deserves a gift.

Regardless of whether or not the Poles "deserve" a visa waiver when entering the states, the visa restriction on Poland is there for a reason and the Polish govt. along with many of its citizens know this reason, or reasons, all too well.

Besides, as you said Delphiandomine, "most Poles think America sucks," right?.....so what's the big deal? Who from Poland wants the visa waiver anyway? Who from Poland wants to go to such a "sucky" country anyhow? ;)

I guess the whole argument is moot after all.

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regarding that chart of "data", besides the fact that it's 10 years old, it's given in "number of people" regardless of how they entered the country. The number that counts is the number of people who were given a travel visa, entered the US, and never returned. That IS the argument we are having, is it not? The argument is why Poles aren't given free travel rights to America and specifically why America refuses, no?

In that list, you have 10 countries. Of the 10, 8 are countries south of the USA, either part of the continent of South/Central America or an island, and nearly all those people probably crossed through Mexico somewhere illegally. We all know how many south/central americans cross over into America and stay illegally. These are not people who were issued travel visas and never returned.

So how can you compare that to Poland? The real table you need to look at is the number of people given travel visas from different countries, and how many of them come back before their visa expires. That's where the numbers are generated regarding "risk of not returning". In 2007, Poland from what I understand was over 20%, and in 2008, over 13%. They just lowered the acceptable value to enter the visa waiver program to 3%, which means Poland needs to change their travel habits, and change them fast. Wait until you start following the rules and satisfy the criteria in order to enter the visa waiver program before you start crying "Yankee prejudice!".

As for you Ironside, this is directed to you because I'm tired of reading your incoherent babble: someone could post just about anything in favor of your argument, regardless of how inaccurate or unrelated, and as long as it supports your cause, you'd hop up on the soap box and start shouting like a lunatic again. honestly me boy, stop, take a breath, and think about what you're looking at. I've met and taught 1,000 of these cookie-cutter America hating 20-something Poles. You're all the same. You hate America yet have never been there and know nothing about it. America hating in Poland is just the fashionable thing to do. Reminds me of the French haters in America. They hate the French, boycott French products, but if you were to approach them and ask why, they couldn't formulate a reasonable answer.

I am a firm believer that if you open the doors for Poland to travel freely to the USA, too many people leave to work in America, many of them will not return, and Poland's economy takes an already bigger hit due to skilled/educated people leaving to work elsewhere to find a better life. What happened in England/Ireland wouldn't compare to the exodus of Poles to America. Take away the economic crisis, or turn the clock back 8-10 years and open the USA border to Poland, and you literally have enough people leaving Poland to create a devastating blow to Poland's economy.

Believe it. Swallow your pride my Polish comrades, and believe it.

I don't have any hatred or animosity towards Poland at all, but what I'm flat out sick and tired of is Polish citizens talking about a country they simply don't have. Yes, you have Poland, but it's just that. It's Poland, and it's time you all come to realize just what that is and the realities of where you live. Enjoy the good's but don't try and mask or pretend or choose to ignore the bad's. A country that ceases to see and accept their bad's cannot improve itself, a common problem in my home country as well. Ultra-patriotism is a dangerous thing......I see it all too often and it forces you to completely lose touch with reality. Learn to call a spade a spade and then you can have rational conversation about topics such as "what poles hate and love about the U.S.".

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absolutely nothing, which is essentially the point. getting your news from Polsat and TVN along with never even setting foot in America does not give someone license to pass judgment, which is what i routinely hear in my classrooms and on this forum, day in, day out. they make comparison after comparison about what they have here, the way people act, and that america is this, that and the other thing and how americans think and........and..........blehhh.......

I don't have to get my information about Poland from the internet or the Fox news channel. I've been living in Poland over 3 years. That's a hell of a lot more than what 99.9% of these America criticizing Poles can say when talking about America. I'm the first guy to bring up America's faults, there are plenty of things that bother me about my home country and it's people, but at least my opinion comes from seeing things with my own eyes, not through drinking the Polish news channel Kool-Aid along with listening to all the rest of the Anti-American propaganda in Poland.

there is NOTHING wrong with Poland. I live here, and I like living here, but I know what Poland is. I don't have to guess, therefore I can make statements about Poland, just the same as I can make statements about America, because I know the differences between the two countries. It's not a matter of "A is better than B so nah-nah-nah-nah-boo-boo," it's simply calling a spade a spade. You are what you are, nothing more, nothing less.

Go there, live the life, work, pay bills/taxes, speak to people in their native language and then make your comparisons. until then, let your grandmother do the complaining.

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Delphianedomine, I can't even begin to respond to your post, it's utterly ridiculous.

Maybe we'll try this:

Let's cut the fat and start asking really straightforward questions. Why don't you tell me where this extreme animosity comes from towards America, and while you're at it, fill us in on the source of your apparent blind love for Poland.

I would also like to know if you've ever been to America, where, and for how long.

Last time I challenged you directly like this Delph, you dodged it. Twice. No more cut and paste BS statistics, no more comparisons....let's get real now, me boy.

Either you will prove to me you have real reason to be like this or that your merely another blow-hard America hater.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't mind hearing some responses to the same questions from the other Anti-America horn blowers. Might as well, I expect another dodged bullet from Delph. Either way, this post puts this thread back on topic again.

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I don't have to post this, I'm sure most of the posters have already seen it, but yes, as predicted, you, Delphianedomine, completely dodged my perfectly direct, simple questions. POST #119

Resorting to pointing out a spelling mistake?......dude, I didn't think even YOU could be THAT lame. I mean honestly, is that all you got?

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WEE MAN.....actually, maybe not. The embarrassment may be too uncomfortable even to read.

And yes, that's me calling you a Nancy.

Nancy.

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Excellent.

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Delphianedomine wrote:


like i said Delphianedomine, if you can't meet the 3 criteria I listed in my OP, don't post here.

And no Ziemowit, you don't get a free pass just because you think that "everything in America is fantastic."

I don't want to have to play police here, but I made a very simple request with this thread. Please abide by it.

convex....great post.


i'm hoping this is heading for change. Obama is working on changing tax brackets right now, giving anyone earning $250,000 or less a tax break. It's attempting to tax the rich more, but it's yet to be seen if it will generate more small private business owners.

the whole source of financial problems in america lately, as far as I can see, is the lop-sided salaries within companies. there's nowhere in the world that has a bigger gap between Joe Blow the employee and the CEO of the company. The money is there, it's just going into the wrong hands. If the top 1% in America would take even a 10% cut in pay, unemployment would virtually disappear.

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THAT is simply not true.

Like you said, take a look at the numbers, but look at them how they should be looked at. Of course you will find countries higher than America....but should we even be considering countries in say Africa, where the entire country lives in mud huts with a small group of people holding all the money and living in a palace? South/Central America isn't much different. Most of the people in those countries work in a factory taking home $3 a day, with a few uber-rich guys at the top basically controlling the country and trafficking drugs through Mexico. Is it any mystery as to why say Bolivia is sitting at 59.2?

The real numbers you need to pay attention to are the industrialized countries.

according to wikipedia, The United States of America ranks third only to the PR of China and Hong Kong in Gini coefficients if you eliminate South/Central America and Africa, and we all know what life is like for hundreds of millions of Chinese.

Speaking of displacement/wastes of money, let us not forget how many BILLIONS of dollars are burned every year due to illegal immigration costs. In California alone, they estimate a YEARLY cost of 10 billion:

usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

i recently read an article putting America's yearly illegal immigration costs at 68 billion. that's more than Bill Gate's entire net worth.


can't argue with that. spending habits and general way of life has to change but it doesn't change the fact that rich people earn way too much money and a lot of less fortunate people suffer from it in America.

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Delphiandomine wrote:


Please see post #6.


surely better than your eyesight/reading comprehension.

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What I like about the USA:

convenience.

great road systems.

ethnic food.

cheap food.

the almost limitless choices of food.

the ocean.

opportunity in general and the accessibility of goods in general.

NYC.

amazing sport fishing.

MLB, NFL, NHL. there's always something to watch on TV.

all the other TV programs on at night, every night, that have you laughing the whole time. I love American comedy.

Pizza. Pizza deserves it's own line.

Coke/Pepsi products that actually taste like Coke/Pepsi products.

parking.

customer service.

someone else mentioned micro-brews.....I second that.

What I like about Poland:

life is slower, more deliberate and one could argue that it's more simplistic because of it's slow pace.

safety. by 10:00 o'clock, the city shuts down completely excluding the rynek and you can walk around your neighborhood feeling safe.

pork products. the pork in Poland is superior to the pork in America.

chicken standing alone i'd say is better in Poland as well, but I prefer American recipes.

families are close.

ok.....gotta say it.....polish women. sure, plenty of them are neurotic, but my fiance is amazing.


Because if you don't meet the criteria in my OP, what I just wrote above would have been impossible. This is "PolishForums"......I'm not going to start a thread discussing just America. Go back and read my OP. The thread was inspired by previous threads about similar things, only my thread weeds out people passing judgment that have never lived/worked in country. You know....opinions worth listening to. Sorry pappy.


hell, i'm all for it. I meet all those criteria (to keep things honest, I'd say I'm an intermediate speaker but entirely communicative, my grammar far exceeds what I consider to be my small vocabulary, but I study non-stop....it's getting better and better every day) and because of this, I see Poland/America with different eyes than most.

hence, why I started this thread. real opinions from experienced people, not from some internet jockey.

feel free to make your own thread like you mentioned, just don't post here.

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the domestic stuff is generally crap, but the micro-brews.....ahhhh, the microbrews, and they're available in basically any liquor store for the same price as an import. the best beer I've ever had is from America. Fat Tire from Colorado, Anchor Steam from San Francisco, Brooklyn Brewery....the list goes on.


not really. Lech, Zywiec, Tyskie, Warka, Zubr, Okocim, Piast....all sub-par beers, and all basically the same in character/taste. In Poland, I drink imports. I would like to try more of the hard-to-find Polish beers, maybe they're good, but as a whole, no, Polish beer isn't good and doesn't hold a candle next to the other "beer countries." Czech Rep., Slovakia, Belgium, Ireland, England, Netherlands, arguably Germany as well, all have better mass produced beer on the shelves.

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Delphiandomine, is it really that difficult to follow simple rules? you could choose ANY thread on this forum and post your senseless babble on it but you insist on posting here when I specifically asked you to stay away. you know what this thread is about, the criteria I requested and you know you don't satisfy them all.

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have never lived/worked in America, rendering your opinions on this thread useless. we don't want to hear it.

Maybe you just don't get it in English....sprobuje wyasnic w inny sposob:

no spadaj stad no! kurcze pieczone, to co, po prostu ciagle piszesz tu ale w ogole nie zwracasz uwagi na to co juz pisalem do ciebie?! Masz dziure w glowie? Prosze pana, wydaje mi sie ze dajesz mi sie we znaki.......bez powodu.

zobaczymy czy to dziala czy nie.......

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yep, and it works both ways. the questions I get from Americans about Poland......embarrassing. I keep telling myself, "i couldn't have been THAT ignorant before I came."

It's all in how the rest of the world, or a select country for that matter, is portrayed through magazines, television programs/news programs, culture, kitchen table discussions, etc. If you're a 10 year old kid and you hear enough times how "France sucks, I won't buy their wine anymore," after a while some start to get the same mindset, even if they don't know why.

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ola243 wrote:


yeah, you're right. because things like saaaaaaaayy....communism is a desirable thing. yeah, they should have stayed in Poland and continued to wait on line for hours for a loaf of bread and some vinegar. let freedom ring!

i hear working in mines was real lucrative as well. what were they thinking walking away from a job opportunity like that?

not to mention, are you suggesting that the MILLIONS of Poles that went to America and NEVER CAME BACK stayed there because the dream they thought existed......doesn't exist? it was all a "false dream"?

have you worked/lived in the USA, or are you another person wasting our time on this thread speaking from no experience? lay off the propaganda kool-aid my friend and don't type till you have legs to stand on.

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Ola243 wrote:


i don't eat fast food, live in an eastern european country, study languages, i'm thin, eat steak at best twice a year and hated George Bush.

am I obviously not American?

welcome to reality. there are more poles than you think that don't share the same blind patriotism as you do.

now go back and listen to more of your uncle's B.S. about how capitalism is bad and make sure to get your daily dose of radio maria today.


on the contrary.

it is doing exactly what it was designed to do. that being, to exploit and weed out those who no nothing about nothing when they form opinions about likes/dislikes regarding America and Poland for they have no basis to make these opinions.

this post is #65. this thread has been up for 3 days. from what i can see, only 2.....maaaaybe 3 people have met my criteria. this criteria shouldn't be too much to ask for considering the topic at hand. one would think that in order to make judgments about 2 countries, strong judgments at that, you would at the very LEAST have to spend some time in each.

this entire forum is infested with Ola243's and Delphiandomine's. they talk the talk but can't walk the walk.

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huh? man, your responses are not only weak, but completely childish. that's the equivalent of saying, "WELL YOUR FEET SMELL SO NEEEEAHHHHH!" this forum is for adults. once you're old enough to see over the kitchen table, try here again.

do you have a polish passport Delph?

do you have any Polish blood?

you'd be surprised with my answers to those questions pappy.....;)

if i may conclude my thread:

basically, i have been reading threads on this forum for a few months now. of all the Polish forums out there, this one always struck me as the most ridiculous. not the website itself, but the posters. after some time, i noticed that there were a lot of people not only commenting on Poland (after living here for 3 months thinking they had it all figured out) but about America as well, 2 places I know well.

this thread proved to me just how empty the opinions/discourses/views of this forum's posters truly are when making Poland/America judgements and/or comments in general. internet jockies, propaganda kool-aid drinkers, and radio maria listeners that not only are out of touch within their own country but most certainly utterly clueless about the USA......and let me tell you.....there are some ALL-STARS on this forum.....true epitomies of that description. i don't know why, but they all seem to congregate to this website and it's downright embarrassing to read at times.

If I had to give out an award for "Most Pathetic and Embarrassing Entry", the award would have to go to the crowd favorite, "Delphiandomine". When confronted with a post stating how he "talks the talk but can't walk the walk", his response to this was.....wait for it......wait for it........


just precious. if only that quote could be placed into his avatar space for all to see with each and every one of his posts from here on out. better yet, it should be right on the front page of his website. you know, his website which advertises counsel or any kind of assistance to foreigners regarding paperwork or other things to make their stay in Poland easier. I'd give you the web address but I'm sure you're all sick of seeing it posted all over this forum already.

so, my congratulations to you, Mr. Delphiandomine! Wear it loud! Wear it proud!

for the select few that posted on this thread that met my criteria, thanks for playing.

for those that didn't satisfy my criteria yet still couldn't resist the urge to post on this thread....thanks for playing too.

-The Fuzz

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it's worth noting that the Czech Republic, a country that used to have visa free travel privileges to Canada, no longer does. The Canadian govt. discovered a large concentration of Czechs living there illegally along with refugee applications, and now the Czech Republic needs a visa to travel to Canada.

Poland still has visa free travel rights to Canada (with the new Biometric passports).....is that discrimination against the Czechs or is it just because the Czechs break the law too often and the Poles, according to Canada's statistics/requirements, still meet their requirements for visa free travel?

I can assure you that if the Poles start piling up in Canada illegally like they are in the USA, the Poles will be the next to lose visa free travel privileges to Canada.

I mean.....is it that difficult to understand? Hell, while I was in the USA, without even looking I knew of several Poles living there illegally, and I didn't live in NYC, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Chicago, etc.

They're all over the states, illegally. Believe it. If I have to read another poster say how upset they are over Poland not being part of the VWP, I'm gonna puke.

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I would doubt "having property" is an automatic visa for Poles. it would be easy to fenagle something like that on paper. mommy and daddy pay for the apt., you live in it and it's under both the current resident's name and the parents as well as co-signers. that person then goes to the US and never comes back, parents can then for example rent the place out to someone else in the meantime, etc. etc.

anywho, when i think of Poland, it's in a unique situation. the western countries have better industry, better cities, better weather, more tourism, more people from developed countries living there, etc. Because of this, less desire to leave it. Less desire to leave means less people overstaying visas elsewhere because they are happy with where they were born.

on the other side of the spectrum, you have the poorer countries. in general, they can't afford to travel around, and very few speak english. it is also worth noting that these countries generally don't have a sanctuary to go to in say America, meaning, a city with thousands of Botswanians or Estonians so that they can find work and support groups to help them along in the beginning.

Poland is kinda in between. economy is up, but mainly due to foreign investors. there are some rich Poles in Poland, but most people earn shite wages and live with mom and dad in a 50 sq. meter apt. Affording a decent car is near impossible and buying a nice house near your job on typical wages.....utterly impossible. Not to mention, they're always just a bit behind the rest of Europe.

As far as going to America, it's tempting for several reasons. Aside from an obviously higher standard of living, basic essentials are affordable. Also, you have many Polish sanctuaries in America. You can get off the plane with literally no English and be perfectly fine in Chicago, Greenpoint Brooklyn, etc. etc. Not to mention, you're almost guaranteed to have at the very least a second cousin or some distant uncle living there to hook up with when you arrive.

With all that said, the American govt. knows it, and knows it better than any of us do. They know the stats regardless as to whether they put them on the internet or not. The VWP has not been granted to Poland and I'm sure that if there are any bad reasons for it, there are just as many good reasons for them denying Poland. Not to mention, let us not forget about the fact that the Polish govt. very well may not want to be part of it due to the possibility of an exodus of skilled laborers along with highly educated people to give "the American dream" a shot. all too often I have students that fit those profiles and after their first visit to America, they are blown away and say, "if I had the opportunity to live/work there, I would." DISCLAIMER: not everyone of course, but several.

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it was a trade off. join the EU and reap the benefits of that, but risk lots of Poles leaving.

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i'd be curious as to how many Americans actually live/work in Poland. here in Wroclaw, i'd venture to say under 100. country wide? 3,000 is probably an overestimate. of those 3,000, they're either teaching English or are transplants working as managers, directors, presidents, etc. Of these mentioned jobs, each and every one of them significantly improve Poland's economy in the long run. Showing Poles how to operate big businesses and teaching them English. Good deal.

Telling America that gaining residency is now going to be more difficult till you implement the VWP for Poland is hardly a bargaining chip.


why is that unfortunate? what were the adverse effects?

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truly a ridiculous statement. are you trying to tell me that a country that was COMMUNIST 20 years ago has today enough experienced businessmen/businesswomen that bringing in British, French, American people to take high positions in companies is all......"Poland's inferiority complex"? Really? It's all for no reason? They don't have something the Poles lack....whatsoever? Stop it. I refuse to elaborate further on why this is true because it will only result in flaming from the "overly sensitive side".

but this is a good start:


Delphiandomine wrote:


You're not a native speaker, therefore, your opinion doesn't count. As a native speaker of English, I've never met a single Pole that even comes close to a native. Even Polish English teachers....the best the school has to offer.....they simply can't compare.


uuuuhhhmmmm......so what you're saying is that a native knows the language thoroughly, natively as a matter of fact, and when they are given a job to do, they already know how to do it.......but a Polish English teacher needs to put in "serious effort" to pick up a new topic.......geeze.....and you call that "the only real advantage"? You sure grouped a lot of things into "the only advantage" don't you think?

USA, Canada / REFUSED A HOLIDAY VISA TO THE U.S CAUSE IM POLISH [323]


never said it was any different for other languages, just commenting on a previous comment.


tell that to some of my students. i will never understand how someone can take lessons for years, constantly hear english in the media most especially in their face on TV every day, yet they still can't form decent sentences in English. When I consider how far I've gotten in Polish through hard work and sweat and also considering there is basically nothing as far as Polish learning materials compared to English, it amazes me how bad people speak English after years of study. amazes me. Learning Polish is like slamming your head against the wall and I am approaching intermediate level with it......not being able to speak English at an intermediate level results from nothing else but pure laziness. As for Poles specifically, not knowing English is pure stupidity. Once you leave your country, you flat out cannot communicate. How can someone live like that. Pure isolationism, and it's more common in Poland than most of you are willing to admit.

Wait......hmmm....maybe I just listed a reason for having "foreign businessmen/businesswomen" in Poland........?.........give me time, maybe they'll start trickling in......

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


define "fully".