Law / Getting married in Poland (documentation, church) [42]


in other words, you gotta lie.

no offense to you, but that's priceless. "yes, yes, we understand you're not catholic, but please sign here, promising that you will not raise your children to follow your religion, or be raised without religion, rather, it must follow our religion."

it's all so silly but the majority of Poles see it all as a sham as well so you'll just be another one going through the mumbo jumbo tongue in cheek, fingers crossed behind your back.

Law / Getting married in Poland (documentation, church) [42]


ding ding ding. that's the game changer. when you're already married, big a$$ache avoided.


are you suggesting that you don't have to give ANY money to the church if you're having a wedding there? i sure hope not, I've never heard of a single wedding happening in Poland without hundreds of PLN being given to the man in the dress and the big hat.

Law / Getting married in Poland (documentation, church) [42]

Bethanyxx wrote:


i'm american and got married in poland to my polish wife.....with a twist.

after looking into it and realizing how unbelievable the whole process was to do for a foreigner start to finish in poland, we went a different route.

we knew we'd be moving to the USA and having an American marriage certificate would be ideal, so we flew to the USA, had a civil marriage (which required nothing more than my wife's passport and $50 for the marriage certificate from the municipality, not to mention didn't require a K-1 VISA because we both lived in Poland), then came back to Poland and started paperwork in order to just have a wedding in a catholic church in Poland. First step is finding your church and then throwing money at the priest, then doing all the pre-wedding brainwashing classes (pre-cana) at a church where they tell you a bunch of $hit nobody actually believes in or cares about anymore because we're in the 21st century, and after that we gave our Brainwashing 101 certificate to the priest and had our wedding there. oh, and i had to provide all my documentation, translated into polish, for my baptism, communion, and confirmation because if i wasn't a true catholic (at least on paper....har-dee-har-har), he wasn't havin' it. anyway, that was enough to satisfy jesus at the time. what it would have taken to do the whole shibang in Poland, i don't even want to think about. they were talking 6 months time with the review process and whatever else.

have the wedding in Poland, though. it's awesome, assuming you got the money to do it right.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]

f stop wrote:


That's a completely different discussion.


Regardless of how much an education costs in money, it's an investment in time. A doctor goes through what.....12 years of school on average? Why put yourself through such a stringent and demanding program, missing out on all the earning and investing and networking you could have done while in your late teens, twenties, early thirties....only to come out and make crap money.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


let's not, because you pulled from the lowest paying MD on the entire list. the 31 year old that just finished all his studies.

no matter that the average income for an MD specialist is listed at $339,738. or that anesthesiologists earn $370,500. or that an orthopedic MD takes home $688,503.

but that's ok, because you've concluded that this is all apparently an unsolved mystery.

you know how i conclude all this? now....this is just me but.....consider the fact that every single doctor in the USA lives in a big beautiful house and drives a $100,000 car.....and every single doctor in Poland......mmmmm.....does not.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


yes. some doctors get flushed out of their private practices due to high malpractice insurance which can total $200,000/year or more. Lots of BS lawsuits for BS reasons.


i just looked at that link, it says nothing about doctor wages. and your numbers are completely off.

medscape.com/features/slideshow/compensation/2013/public

this link is from medscape and it's 2013. the lowest doctor salary is $170,000, all the way up to $400,000+ and some make even more:

healthcareers.about.com/od/compensationinformation/f/TopPayDoctors.htm

Monitor, what source did you use to get "3000pln median salary" in Poland?


indeed. the absolute bare bones minimum salary in the USA for a doctor is $170,000, a rockin' salary in anyone's eyes, and that's just their salary for their day to day job.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


i don't understand.

as it is currently, a parent in the USA can insure their children with their insurance up to age 26. if their kids do not have insurance, it's because they chose to not give it to them.


i'd rather be treated by someone with the brains to not go through 12 years of college to make chump change. not an intelligent person's decision. doctors in the USA become doctors because they had the grades and the drive to do it and oh yeah, smarter people tend to pursue higher paying jobs because for them, it's actually an option.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


additionally, 5 states do not have sales tax.


i think what he's trying to say is that when they receive treatment, they demand the best. nobody is going to (at least not effectively) argue that America's current healthcare system is without flaws, but the treatments and technologies offered in the USA are second to none. if you plan on getting into a terrible car wreck, best to do it on American soil, it would give you the best chance of walking out of the hospital one day.

those that are uninsured are generally the lower middle class. not educated enough to have a solid career and not poor enough to be on Medicaid, which causes lapses in insurance coverage when they're between jobs.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


if you earn say $50,000/year gross, your take home pay is usually minus about 25%, depending on how you file, number of dependents, what state you live in (7 states have no income tax for example), etc. This also depends on what your company contributes to medical benefits, whether or not you have a pension, 401K, etc.

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


and yet, look how beautiful Americans' teeth are compared to just about anywhere else.

you obviously have a train wreck of a set of teeth. root canals, another $15,000 worth of surgery you speak of......i don't want to judge without asking.....do you have some rare medical condition that affects your teeth or something?

USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]


For a "good" school, huh? OK. Tuition currently costs $38,891 per year to attend an undergrad program at Harvard University, one of the most prominent universities in not just the United States, but the entire world. Let that little bit of information stand as our first piece of evidence of how this girl is looking to exaggerate the facts.


haha, "jobs" huh? Burger King? Cleaning lady? Supermarket cashier? Holy crap this is absurd.


Chicago currently has the most expensive gas in the COUNTRY, averaging $4.48/gallon. Compare that to where I live down south, at $3.53. Either way, gas in the US is far more affordable than anywhere in europe by a long shot.


"some" dental work? what the hell did you have done, all your top teeth yanked out and replaced with implants? $15,000?!!!

USA, Canada / General differences between Poland and the USA? [184]

In any case, it's impossible to live in the USA these days and not have a checking account because everyone pays bills online now and ATM withdrawals at your bank are free. some banks/credit unions have free checking accounts regardless, others require that you have direct deposit with your job, that's it. i don't know anyone that actually receives a check from their employer anymore, it just gets wired to their checking account.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

of course. speaking can be done in fragments, mistakes get overlooked or not heard and frankly speaking, sometimes people simply aren't paying that close attention. with writing, if someone's actually reading it, they're looking right at it and the mistakes are sitting right in front of them to see.

i always pushed my students to write because AAAAALLLL the mistakes would come out. people find all their little tricky ways of avoiding their weaknesses in speech but with writing.....hoohooohoohaahaaahaahaaa........there's nowhere to hide!

Work / Cost of Living, Average Salaries and Job sites in Poland [263]


because real out of pocket costs matter.

middle class people with even decent insurance will not pay anywhere near that amount. the middle upper to upper class pay pennies on the dollar because they surely have great insurance policies. the poor don't pay sh!t because the government pays for their healthcare (medicare). the main group that is at risk is lower middle class people that are above the poverty line but work crummy jobs with poor to no insurance which means they can either pay more for better insurance or gamble that nothing will happen. many of them gamble.

even fresh out of college grads walking into their first "real job" with a "real company" are offered comprehensive insurance that they pay very little for and once they get married, the couple will choose between the two of them who has the best/cheapest insurance coverage and go from there.

i've always been an advocate of health care reform in the USA, it has it's problems, but if we're talking about the cost of basic coverage for dental, eye, ER visits and such, most of us are taken care of on the cheap.

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]


offensive....and i don't even know what you're getting at. go figure.

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]

"Given that Poland is a heavyweight in the European Union in terms of voting strength and influence, learning Polish certainly isn't a bad idea for anyone considering a career in Brussels. Then there's the fact that speaking a language spoken by nearly 10% of the European Union, that also offers a gateway into other Slavic languages is no bad idea.

As much as you try, you're not never going to escape the fact that Poland is not some small backwater. "

my in-laws were just here in the USA to visit my wife and I. they layovered in Berlin, Paris and Amsterdam. you know what their biggest complaint was? nothing was in polish. the electronic ticket check in? no polish option. anything on the planes? nope. signs in the airport? nope.

i enjoy knowing an obscure language, my wife and i can talk smack in public all day long, but the fact still remains, Polish continues to be obscure and only spoken by poles and the random expat.

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]

that's nice.

at least i tried to reel the convo back in....

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]

getting back to the original conversation, i just don't see many people in the UK studying Polish for financial gain.

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]


Laughing all the way to the bank, maybe? Arabic is HUGE here in the USA, government contracts that pay 6 figure salaries if you are American and speak fluent Arabic.

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]


what market are you talking about? AK-47's and cocaine?


better than German, French, Arabic, Japanese, Chinese....? how many Englishmen aspire to make a living out of doing business with Poland/Poles? Just thinkin' out loud man.

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]

ok Lyzko, but the question still needs to be asked, how does it help to know Polish in England? what would the average chap do with that skill? the money's still in English.

it's like Spanish in the USA. Joe Shmoe American that speaks spanish is, for the most part, useless in the job market. why hire him to speak spanish to people when you have tens of millions of latinos that are fluent/native in spanish and basically native in english as well? it's a useless skill aside from maybe talking to latinos in your private time.

Work / Cost of Living, Average Salaries and Job sites in Poland [263]


ok, let's.


if you don't have dental insurance, which would be nobody's fault but your own, maybe it costs that much.


if you don't have health insurance, which would be nobody's fault but your own, ok, it might cost that much.


i'd rather not repeat myself.

I spent 2 full days in the hospital once for food poisoning. final cost? $50, which is an average copay for someone being admitted to the ER with health insurance.


oh, the nerve! a country that expects you to pay tax when buying vehicles?! now that's just pushin' it!

Language / What is Szkole used for?? [8]

jak tam szkola? = how is school?

in real conversation it will be asked like that.

in school = w szkole

USA, Canada / What do Polish people think of the USA [287]


And regarding traffic citations, when you receive a driver's license in the USA in whatever state you receive it in, when you sign just before they hand you the license you are signing that you understand ALL that state's traffic laws. Driving is a revocable privilege, not a right, and it is YOU the citizen's responsibility to make yourself aware of the laws that govern it.

USA, Canada / What do Polish people think of the USA [287]


You're saying America's rednecks and mountain folk live a "sensible life"? Crime is low there because few people live there and people out there don't have much to steal. Education in rural America is the worst in the country:

foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/10/15/americas-best-and-worst-educated-states

Inner city schools in high crime areas offer poor education as well but the best colleges are in the larger cities. If you're going to roll the dice in the US on an elementary/middle school/high school education, you'd be best doing it in the suburbs.

USA, Canada / What do Polish people think of the USA [287]


You have 10 federal holidays a year. As for vacation time, that varies from job to job but you generally start with 10 days of vacation per year.


do some? yes. does everyone? of course not.


anyone knows that's false.


righto.


oh, we're so sorry to inconvenience you for breaking the law.


yes....there is. it's the same book police officers learned the laws in. the state law book of whatever state they work in. what the $hit are you talking about. here's a sure fire way of acquiring one.....walk into a police precinct and ask how to get the state law book. done deal. if you're too lazy for that, use the Google. state laws in any state are always available online.


Is that a serious question? A certified peace officer saw what he believed to be an infraction of the law which means you either plead guilty right away by sending in the money for the fine or go before a judge and state your plea.

btw, for most traffic violations, if you appear in court the judge will often times lower your fine. for example, if you were going 25mph over the speed limit, they'll lower it to say 15mph. it doesn't matter what the officer wrote in the ticket, the judge makes the final decision. if you're not a repeat offender and didn't give the police officer a hard time when he cited you, judges are generally understanding.

Love / Getting married in Poland. Lenght of a pre-marriage course in Poland? [4]

my advice, have a civil marriage in Ireland to dodge all the paperwork. then you can still give ur catholic girl the church wedding she always dreamed of without the Polish paperwork side to worry about. otherwise, you could be looking at 6 months. oh, and don't forget to tip your priest when you choose a church (paid upfront) because they can turn you down for any reason. the going rate when i did it was i think 500-600.

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


AGAIN, who said their food is bad? What the hell are you talking about.


irrelevant. i don't even know who you're talking to.

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


2 things: who said anything about whether what Poles eat is good or bad? that's not what we're discussing. secondly, what in the world does this have to do with the USA?

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

[********************** has destroyed many other cultures with deepest contempt so you shouldn't expect too much of appreciation. [/quote]

right, because eastern cultures, over the past thousand years, have done nothing but sing kumbaya and give back massages to all who they've encountered.


the real question is, is their language going to change, will they start eating completely different food, will their culture take an about face, will people on the streets stop looking like their dog just died.....