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What is wrong with Poznan? [197]
You're right, I don't like the idea of it. I know first-hand how it's done, and it's intrusive - and most of all - the patient often isn't informed about the sudden presence of the students.
You do realize what you've said applies to both foreign and Polish medical students right?
If you respected them, you and your ilk would bother to learn some conversational Polish to put the patient at ease. But hey, you just can't be bothered, can you?
If you bothered to read what I mentioned earlier, there are a number of students in my group and most others who are fully fluent in Polish and are able to put the patients at ease.
If that was true, you'd learn how to speak to them in their own language. But again - the same arrogance - "we from NA care more than Polish doctors".
You don't have to be able to speak to somebody in their language to have empathy for them. And when it comes to patient
Privacy and
Dignity we often do care more than a lot of Polish doctors. This is a cultural fact and the behaviour of these doctors is not meant in an offensive way, but it is simply their way of doing things here. For example, we had a doctor asking a 16 year old girl about her menstrual cycles in front of her father. After the interview we asked the doctor why she hadn't asked the father to leave prior to talking with the patient and the doctor said that she simply hadn't considered it.
They should be happy with foreign morons who are only there because they were too stupid to go to medical school in their own country? I certainly wouldn't be impressed!
I said they should be happy with students, foreign or Polish. However, it is obvious 99% of patients are not happy to have students present (I know I wouldn't want them there either). Unfortunately if this was the case there would be no future generation of doctors so it has to be this way.
Lol, I'd like to see that in the U.S., a foreign medical student barely able to say a few words in English allowed to "attend" to patients without a qualified translator present.
We're not making any decisions with regard to patient care, all of that is decided by their doctor so there is no risk to the patient at all.
i'm still here because of fully trained paramedics, nurses, doctors and consultants, not half-trained know-alls.
This is an extremely obvious statement
Is that because you are inherently better than Polish doctors?
I already responded to this so no need to repeat myself. I have a lot of respect for the doctors that train us.
- American students turned up and were given a list of symptoms. They were then asked to identify what could be wrong - and not one of them had a clue. None of them even tried to come up with answers, and none of them had any response when asked "what can we do to help the patient?". The doctor was also visibly pissed off with them for not even showing any interest.
This is a fault with the University which does nothing to get rid of bad students because they want our $, I totally agree with that. All I can say is that not all students are like that and there are those of us who truly care.
