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Posts by EsotericForest  

Joined: 6 Sep 2009 / Male ♂
Last Post: 14 Jul 2011
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Posts: Total: 44 / Live: 38 / Archived: 6
From: USA, Wi.
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EsotericForest   
14 Jul 2011
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [612]

Well my DNA test seems to be pointing me in the middle eastern/Jewish region of the world, so I'm sure that I have some paternal Jewish ancestor somewhere back there.
EsotericForest   
2 Dec 2010
Genealogy / Valentine Stolarz, Anna Banas, Jacob Mastej, Francis Bil [30]

What would be the best way to demonstrate I'm related to Walenty? A copy of my family tree and maybe a scan of my drivers license to prove my identity?

Alright so I'm prepared to write an email to the parishes in Biadoliny. I now have my own birth certificate, my father's, and my grandfathers. So I now have documents that prove I'm the great grandson of Walenty Stolarz. Now what I need to some assistance in composing a letter to them, as well as suggestions on what I should be asking them for. I would appreciate any help I can get.

Through microfilms of birth and marriage records, and tracking down family stories, I've pieced together at the very least that Valentine (Walenty) Stolarz, and Laurence (Wawrzniec) Stolarz, were the sons of Andrew (Andrzej) Stolarz, and Marianna Chrapusta. I know that Laurence had a son named Joseph Stolarz, who was born 15 Mar. 1889 in Biadoliny Radlowskie. I also know he had a daughter by the name of Karolina Stolarz. I found out about her due to a letter I found in an old cigar box, that she wrote to Joseph Stolarz. It was written in 1924, and explained that she would more than likely be getting married after the harvest, and that she needed money for a dowry. She also mentioned that her fiance had been away, due to him being in the army. Unfortunately no name is mentioned, and so far I haven't been able to find out who she married.

As far as the Chrapusta's go, it showed that Marianna was the mother of Valentine Stolarz. When I brought the maiden name to my grandmother, she also remembered a John Krapusta, who used to pick mushrooms across the street from her house. She couldn't remember exactly how he was related to Marianna, but she remembered that he was. It appears his parents names were Joseph and Mary, and they lived on Dearborn Ave. Hammond Indiana, according to the 1920 census.

I'm posting this information mainly in the hope that something will jog another researchers memory. Possibly being a descendant of Karolina Stolarz. Or somehow being related to John Chrapusta, and knowing more about his ancestry.

Another reason I'm posting this is that I've attached a scanned copy of the workbook I found for Joseph Stolarz. it shows is father as Laurence on the lower right side of the page. However something that was also pointed out to me was that on the lower left part of the page, it is signed by a Chrapusta. What may the significance of that be?
EsotericForest   
27 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

Except a lot of us are so mixed it doesn't even matter. I look like my mom, which means I don't even look Polish. Chances are I look French.
EsotericForest   
21 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

There isn't an exact Polish gene, but I would say some genes are more common than others, so one could argue it's a gene with Polish tendency.
EsotericForest   
21 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

DNA tests are good when someone doesn't know their paper records.

Just another tool, as I said before. A lot of us are fortunate enough to have a family Bible sitting in our grandma's house haha
EsotericForest   
21 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

It only gives you an idea about what group of people share similar DNA

I never said that it did say anything about the stories. There's a lot of tools used in genealogy, and DNA testing is just one those. But simply but, it's only a tool, not the key to the mint. You have to utilize the DNA as best you can to find the information in the paper records. It's an assistant, not the answer.
EsotericForest   
20 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

Go on then, prove it using DNA tests.
Or I will continue to believe you live in a fantasy world ;)

I can't prove it with DNA testing because I don't have ANY matches haha. Some of you Poles should start getting tested so I can prove it with DNA ;).

I do have Birth records on the other hand that can get my back to my great grandparents on my grandfathers paternal, and maternal side...both of which trace back to Poland. As far as the paper trail, and word of mouth can prove...I have about as much proof as a person can get to say that I am at least half Polish.

And now let's be serious- are you really interested in your ancestors from 11th century? It would be nice to know that but just as some kind of curiosity. And btw- DNA test are only showing you some traces and don't tell you anything really important.

I think it'd be very interesting to get back to the 11th century, and why stop there? You have to remember that I'm one of those people who will, by his own choosing, sit down and read a history book...especially if it has to do with European history. It's not just about finding my 30th great grandfather, it's about learning the stories that go along with the names. Every person has contributed to the world in some form or another...some have left a larger mark than others, but none the less, they've all left a mark of some kind. The paper history of census records, birth records, marriage records, as well as the written stories about the people are just part of genealogy and history. You also have the history that runs through every persons own body. We all have DNA that can date back thousands of years so some man or woman who had their own unique story. Then you also have the visual art of history in heraldry. The coats of arms that were passed down from father to son, and were either kept the same, changed slightly, or even quartered to include the mothers paternal heraldic device. There are many elements of history, and I think they're all interesting.

DNA doesn't stamp out my family tree out for me. I still have to do some work to figure that out, but none the less it will give me genetic cousins and that's how you get your answers. It's a team effort for sure to use DNA to your advantage, but when done right it can make connections that you would never find, or take a very long time to locate.
EsotericForest   
20 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

Except that some of us have actual proof of our European ancestry ;). I can prove that I'm half Polish, and that I have French, and Irish, and English on my mothers side. We're not all in a little fantasy world as you make it sound. We all came from somewhere, and it's interesting to find out where exactly that was.
EsotericForest   
20 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

Well part of the problem is that sooner or later somebody in our ancestry was probably not of legitimate birth, or possibly even the result of a rape, or who knows what else. Nobody has pure and perfect genetic lines going back hundreds of years. There's always skeletons in the closet which can cause your ancestry to take a complete turn you didn't expect.
EsotericForest   
20 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

Well if you trace back far enough, every person in Poland has roots in some other country, region, or continent. It starts to depend on where you really want to draw the line and say "My ancestors were from (Fill in the blank)".
EsotericForest   
20 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

Well you'd have to probably have a pretty good interest in history, genealogy, family, and such to want to spend the time or money on it.
EsotericForest   
20 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

I must say that I've never heard someone mentioning DNA tests. Maybe it's because of the money?

The 46 marker test on ancestry.com is $179. It isn't too over the top in my opinion as far as cost goes.
EsotericForest   
20 Nov 2010
Genealogy / DNA Testing in Poland. Is it popular? [81]

I'm curious as to how popular (Or unpopular) DNA testing seems to be in the country of Poland. I know that here in the United States it seems to be a lot more popular than a lot of Europe, probably due to the fact that we're a land of immigrants, and we become curious as to where we come from. Maybe this is just how American's like myself view it, so I'm curious as to what some of the people from Poland actually think of this.

If you are Polish, have you been DNA tested?

If you are an American with Polish ancestry, have you been DNA tested?

If you are either, and were tested, what haplogroup did you end up in?

I am obviously an American with Polish ancestry, and was tested through ancestry.com. I was put into haplogroup J2a1h. Apparently J2 has characteristics for Greece, but it only makes up I believe 4.5% of the Polish population. I unfortunately didn't get any matches within 35 generations on ancestry, or any other paternal database I've submitted my information to. Apparently I have no ancestry ;). This is part of the reason I brought this question up, because I was wondering if part of the reason I'm not getting any matches is because in Poland, DNA testing really hasn't become that popular. My greatgrandfather immigrated around 1900, so it doesn't surprise me that I didn't get any matches within the United States. Though maybe DNA testing isn't all that popular among Polish Americans either ;) haha.

But anyway, I'm curious as to your thoughts.

Regards,
Joshua
EsotericForest   
19 Nov 2010
Genealogy / Americans of Polish descent. How many of us are on Polish forums? [216]

My fathers side of the family is full blown Polish, and the immigrated around 1900...so the family is still fairly new to the country. My mothers side is a complete mix of French, Irish, English, and who knows what else. I'm quite proud of my Polish ancestry though, but I consider myself an American without a doubt.
EsotericForest   
19 Nov 2010
Genealogy / Is tallness common among Polish people? [201]

I'm 6'5, and all the men in my family are at least 6'3 and up. That being said our Polish grandparents (My cousins and I) were both quite short.
EsotericForest   
17 Nov 2010
Genealogy / Valentine Stolarz, Anna Banas, Jacob Mastej, Francis Bil [30]

Excellent, thank you again for the information, I really do appreciate it. Would it be best to email them at first, or write them a proper letter? I suppose I should contact them in Polish as well?

Anybody?
EsotericForest   
27 Oct 2010
Genealogy / Valentine Stolarz, Anna Banas, Jacob Mastej, Francis Bil [30]

I've been trying to go through the three census records that I've found the two of them on to try and determine at what point they immigrated, and what year they got married so as to see if I should be looking in the United States or Poland. Unfortunately each census basically gives me different results when it comes to that question. Being that I've been unable to find anything so far looking in the United States, I assume they were probably married in Poland. I know they came from somewhere near Tarnow.
EsotericForest   
1 Aug 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

Since you've been so helpful to me already. My great grandmothers maiden name was Bil, and she came from Zarzecze Poland. I haven't had any luck finding any information on the surname Bil, and I have a feeling that it got shortened to that when she immigrated. Any idea what the original name could be? Possibly Bilskie, or Bielskie? Or is Bil an actual Polish name that I just have trouble finding for some reason? haha

Any idea on the meaning or origin of it?
EsotericForest   
1 Aug 2010
Genealogy / Valentine Stolarz, Anna Banas, Jacob Mastej, Francis Bil [30]

I read your posts and thought I might be of some help.

Oh wow, that is so much help I can't even tell you. I didn't even realize there was a second page to that. I remember finding this in years past, but blew it off because I know she originally immigrated before 1913, so I didn't even enlarge it to see that she was married to Walenty and such. Wow, thanks so much for pointing that out...not to mention teaching me a lesson haha.
EsotericForest   
31 Jul 2010
Genealogy / Valentine Stolarz, Anna Banas, Jacob Mastej, Francis Bil [30]

Alright so it looks like Galicia was a region that was part of Austria during the time period of my great grandparents, but no longer exists? So now the real question is, should I be trying to find records in Austria instead of the area around Biadoliny and Tarnow Poland? It seems like a lot of Polish records ended up in Berlin, but it seems my family came from a region of Poland that was controlled by Austria, not Germany.
EsotericForest   
30 Jul 2010
Genealogy / Valentine Stolarz, Anna Banas, Jacob Mastej, Francis Bil [30]

What about a town like Biadoliny? It seems to be listed at times as "Biadoliny, Galicia". What exactly is Galicia? Is it like a county, or province?

Alright so I have confirmed records of Walenty Stolarz in the 1910, 1920, and 1930 census

In 1910 he's listed as Walenty Stolarz

In 1920 he's listed as Walter Stolarz

In 1930 he's listed as Valentine Stolarz

It doesn't give the names of his parents, but in the 1910, and 1920 census he has their nationality as Austrian, race as Polish.

I also have a digital copy of "Walter Stolarz" draft card. Unfortunately it's a bit difficult to read.

In spite of the little first name changes, I can confirm it's the same person because the dates line up...as well as his occupation, and he his spouse is always named Anna.