/ Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK?
We obviously are on two different planets.
Thanks, kettle. Stick to actual proper discussion as opposed to this silly "You're insulting me, boo hoo!" nonsense that you're putting on.
And by all means, do proceed to make assumptions about my background to try and build a straw man argument. It won't work, of course, but maybe it's an effective coping mechanism for you.
That sentence fails on so many levels.
VERY nice. Specify a hypothetical, then when a realistic and sensible solution to tha hypothetical is given, alter the parameters of the hypothetical so that the previously proposed solution no longer applies, and THEN declare how impractical and silly the previous solution was. Don't waste my time.
What "violent muslims"? Specific examples please. Which Islamic organizations in Europe are dedicated to creating "tough third world" muslims with the intention of... just being violent? If anything, I think it's clear your views are influenced by a few experiences you've had. Probably you've been attacked by some Arab kids, in your unfortunately undeveloped mental state you somehow attribute this to them being Muslims (???) so you can paint a picture of a Europe-wide threat in which your experiences and conclusions drawn are justified. Well no, get real and grow the **** up. Maybe you've been unlucky at times, but deal with it. Learn to think as well, because as I keep stating, your lack of proper application of logic is disheartening.
I agree that Western European kids tend to be soft, but that's such a different matter. In any case there's nothing to be done about it, it's their choice.
I don't think this would happen in Poland.
Again, what does this have to do with a religious group or immigration? I was under the impression (at least here in the UK) that Muslims do not enter night clubs because they do not consume alcohol.
If they want to live life, feel alive, being with friends and follow football as is done in eastern Europe, what's wrong with that?
Absolutely nothing. In fact most people do that through natural social impulse. What you're failing to mention is that football hooligans are specifically named so because of their tendency to initiate pointless violence, which breaks the law.
I have no doubt that football games are atmospheric, and I do not care one bit. This discussion is not about football.
Ok, you're clearly not getting the point. The bouncer is German, the troublemaker is turkish, he is wildly aggressive and attacks verbally and with his bodylanguage. If you are tough and trained, like the 5 times world champion kick-boxer doorman, you will not be afraid.
Oh my god, you just blew my mind. Thet tall, thin, loud-mouthed unthreatening guy is Turkish - Turkish people are largely Muslim - therefore MUSLIMS LIKE TO CAUSE VIOLENCE !!! Your logic makes perfect sense.
Oh, and also, because the bouncer is German - Germany invaded Poland and killed millions of Jews, Slavs and Romani - therefore Michael Kuhr is an EVIL NAZI SLAV-HATING RACIST !!! Thanks for bestowing me with your logic, now the world makes perfect sense in its simplicity.
Sarcasm aside, the Turkish guy is completely non-threatening and not even "macho". I'm sure there are better examples out there, but this one is just pointless. It's exactly what it looks like on the surface; a rude and dumb kid trying to get into a club, the bouncer turns him away in the midst of verbal abuse. It's pretty standard, I don't see what pattern there is supposed to be in this.
I'm seeing the pattern here, whenever you encounter immigration going smoothly (which it usually does), you feel the need to label the circumstances "PC". It's a very common, and boring, tactic among your type. You think you're the only person in the world with experience, and everyone else just reads newspapers? Nie, sorry friend, the world is more complicated than you give it credit. For the record, very little violence in the UK is due to immigration. My town is one of the worst in the UK, and it's 99% white. I don't feel threatened or intimidated when in an immigrant neighbourhood at all, there are even a few Turks and Arabs here. The most dangerous neighbourhoods are the ones that are 100% white, due to gang violence, alcohol, drugs, etc. Instead of being a bigoted moron, I don't attribute ethnic or religious factors to this, because there's no point and no relevance. I'm sorry you grew up in some urban nightmare in a metropolitan Norwegian city, I can't say I envy you, but you simply don't factor into your conclusions that your experiences are very limited and do not speak for the whole of Europe. Be as anti-Turk-Arab-Muslim-Immigrant as you want in your hometown or Norway, since that is where your experience and relevance is, but it's clear you know nothing about how immigration works in the rest of Europe. Certainly not the United Kingdom.
They know zero about the real life, and if they know anything, they hide it. Just like they did here in Norway the other day, when a norwegian youth got beaten by 15 immigrants in Oslo. It eventually came out who did it and who the victim was. But the media just said, "Youths, victim" in their reports, deliberately avoiding the facts.
And whenever Polish immigrants commit a crime in the UK, do the newspapers scream about the fact that they're an immigrant? No they don't. Sometimes they give a name, sometimes they don't, but it rarely happens that they will say "Some Poles comitted X crimes". They will say "People", "Youths" or whatever, because usually the immigrant label is irrelevant. Trust me, an easy case can be made for the Poles in the UK being violent and confrontational, all the traits you apply to the "Muslims", but how do you think it works in reality? I can make a well-evidenced case for the Poles being nothing but evil, violent, money-sucking criminals in the UK, and I can make a well-evidenced case for them being polite hard workers, and great for the local economy. The point is that I can spin it any way I please, which is exactly what you're doing. Taking your small, limited experiences and trying to validate them by drawing wild conclusions based on carefully selected evidence. You base nothing on facts, only your emotions. And yet you talk about being a "man", pft...
It's 1984 all over again. And you seem to live in this life, where the streets don't exist, only the cantina at your university or your coffee shop, where you sit on you mac and sip your latte, telling people like me that "You're dumb"....keep on doing this, Matowy, it only backfires on yourself, and makes you look like the ignorant and pompeous..
Make more ad hominem attempts, it really helps you.
Attempted edit: Please say something original in your next post. I have said all I can, and I am by now tired of these discussions.