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ponadto: nie wiem co mówi ustawa o referendum (do której odsyła konstytucja) - ale sama konstytucja nie mówi nic o jasności/szczegółowości/konkretności proponowanych pytań

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@Lenka

yes, indeed it would be clearer - you got me here (your Citizen X could readily choose one of the options) - however the effective outcome if the referendums passed would be the same as with the question that was actually asked (I guess PiS chose the wording for the referendum to have a simple layout for their supporters (4 X NO))

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if the question Are you for raising the retirement age? is not clear to you I don't know what is

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why not - they can - althought the alternatives would be suboptimal to them - they can always choose to abstain too (they still have choice) - it's like a choice in the supermarket - you would like to buy strawberry buttermilk but you can only find strawberry yoghurt and plain buttermilk (you can always choose not to buy either) - you can't always have it all

or another analogy - I would like the leftist parties in Poland (Lewica and PiS) to join forces (let's say after PiS abandons more extreme religiously guided policies and Lewica abandons their radical pro-European stance) - so what?: they are not ready or willing to (despite people like Rafał Woś calling for it)

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you know: I would like to vote for the Republican party - how can I vote for Republicans in Poland? - sometimes you can't have all you wish for

edit: however there is kind of a solution to your problem - democratic at that - the citizen X can campaign for another referendum on the subject with exactly the questions that they deem necessary to achieve their dreemed outcome - who knows maybe there are enough people in the country who would support their (citizen's X) quest

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it's more of a philosophical question - the true question will emerge when there is a plan to centralize the EU will go into voting in the Europarliament on 25th of November which abolishes the right of member states to veto new legal proposals and how the new government (most probably under Tusk) will to react

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sorry I don't understand what you mean :) - in my scenario you are 88 years old and have no teeth - how do you like that :P

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you don't understand me, but you are justified to be honest - I don't care about women's retirement age tbh (so I don't mind either keeping it the way it is now or raising it) - my 'prayer' was just a figure of speech


I never said that - I said the question is bright and clear - and if the referendum was valid and people voted NO the government would be legally bound not to ever raise the retirement age in any form (or until another referendum)

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I hope you realize the retirement age for men IS 65

anyway if the referendum on that particular question was passed (I mean people voted NO) there should be no raising of retirement age in any form - isn't it clear for you

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to me the question was bright and clear - btw equalising retirement ages in Poland means either raising or lowering of retirement age for a part of the population - there is no third way about it

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so you are among those few women who are for the equalising of the retirement age? I pray that your wish should be granted to you

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why be specific? please explain


if my memory serves me correctly in the referendum concerning joining the EU the question was simple "Are you for Poland joining the EU" - noone has asked about hidden cost of the joining that affected many small business and some sectors of the agriculture

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ok, let's debate - what is so outrageous about asking people if they support raising of the retirement age?

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they need to give up on those voters actually at least until those voters hit some kind of hard bottom thanks to 'business-friendly' policies of PO and company - or rather give up on those voters thoroughly because when they taste 'liberal' econimic policies they will turn to Lewica

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the illegal incedents of asking people if they want the referendum sheet by numerous members of electoral committees in bigger cities violated the secrecy in the same manner - how about that?

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the voters rejected the referendum because opposition parties and opposition media told them to and because of the herd instinct, if you want to know my opinion

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yes, I have - I'm also pretty sure some people who are living under an American rock might be interested

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please explain why they were a joke, could you?

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yeah the referendum was about retirement age, government being able to selling state-owned companies, and letting in illegal immigrants according to Brussel's demands - if you find these topics unimportant then I congratulate you (you must have more important political issues on your mind then)

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it's demonizing PiS, simples (a bandit with a knife - as if PiS threatens anyone apart from a narrow elite that wants to feed on the poor)

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your arrogant sarcasm only speaks about you - the referendum issues were important to about 40 per cent of those eligible to vote - some of the questions in the referendum were a nail to the coffin of PO in 2015 elections (the retirement age)

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let's see if they will be able to overturn the presidential veto

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I actually agree

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if PiS has about 42 per cent vote (which is doubtful tbh) they are going to have a majority in Sejm - FYI

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you don't understand the perspective (especially female perspective) of those who don't believe in life after death (especially those who don't believe in reincarnation)

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my question connects more with your tough-luck outlier cases

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TVP info - but feel free to dispel the info

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I hope you do believe in reincarnation, though

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according to IPSOS exit poll roughly the same percentage of men and women voted for PiS - FYI

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I think it can be even bigger in Poland as (as I previously said) about 20 per cent of voters approached by IPSOS pollsters refused to answer the poll