News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [372]

As my previous post shows I'm somehow in forced favour this plan, but:


The fact is, that the biggest obstacle is Sweden and their goverment. Eastern Europeans can only chat about it. Sweden has legal right and power to block this pipeline...

Secondly, just because we (Eastern Europeans) have some interests in blocking this pipeline doesn't mean that our ecological arguments aren't right.


This thing is a little more complicated. Legally it isn't Gasprom but RusUkrEnergo fault. It is joint venture between Gasprom and some Ukrainians. Obviously Gasprom decideded to get rid of them. So with Mrs Tymoshenko help they've block this firm reserves in Ukraine.

Of course Gasprom pulls strings here, but leggaly Poland cann't blame them. Currently Poland is renegotiating original contract with Gasprom... As usual Gasprom is in better position, but not so good as it could be half year ago... Of course, as usual they want some strange stuff beside simple cash, but so what? The baltic pipe isn't there yet, so they can wish for something more, but they want get it.

One more important thing: Worldwide Crisis... There is slowdown in Poland to. Winter is not very hard. So, maybe, just maybe it is not so bad, that we cann't get all the gas we have contracted for this year? And we can even get some reparations instead?

PS.


Man, if you don't see logic in those conflicts then you have some homework to do...
Just simple stuff for start:
- Gasprom (yes, Gasprom) heats up those "conflicts" accidentaly before some important negotiations, this give them better position (because they have monopol in this part of Europe, so it isn't important how bad is their image)

- google for last year Gasprom victories, they've get pipelines in Serbia, actually they own Serbia..., they have some shares in Hungary I think and in Slovakia. Way? Because they want to have monopo, they want to block Nabucco... It is all about their monopol. Of course we don't want any kind of monopol. How logic is that?

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [372]

Yes, it is, because when Russia stops pumping through Jamal and stops selling gas for Poland, then we will have to burn all the coal we've got...

But seriously, dear fellow citizens of Poland, please kindly
1. look at this:


2. try to google a few minutes for info regarding Russia position in Arctic sea dispute
3. find out about amount of gas which could be under this sea
4. once more look at 1.

Simple enough? This pipeline will be build whether we like it or not. And it will be full of gas for a long time. The only thing we can do is to swallow it and join them.

PS. I'm not some Russia lover. I'm just rational.

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]

DtLebowski, similarities are overestimated by foreigners... Of course they are, mainly in language field, but cultures are as different as any other two neighbouring cultures in Europe can be. And I would say even more, mainly because old and not so long ago very important distinction between latin Europe (where modern Poland originate) and Orthodox Europe (where modern Russia originate). As some Russian writer wrote in XIX century about Poles: "soul is stronger than blood". So, even if Poles share a lot of blood (genes) with Russians, their soul (culture) is different and prevails over blood. I don't say worse or better, just different. And last but not least, Russia is far to big to be compared in that way. It is after all multinational and postcolonial country.

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]

I hope you will have to go all the way to Moscow for bolts/nails to do that... ;-)

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]

Past, past, past... Current Polish-German relationships shows that even the worst past can be overcome. Twenty years, and maybe not in love with each other but in relative good cooperation. There are current problems which are mostly producing tensions. Poland and Russia have just opposite geopolitical interests. And it is about Ukraine, Belarus and Baltic States. Poland wants them to be like Poland -> independent, democratic and... in EU or at least in good relationship with EU. Russia wants them to be like Russia, which means to be in Russia... Both countries see that interests as the most important ones. So both countries are in never ending wrestling. And because of that sometimes some not very good statements shows up on our goverments level, and this sometimes look like hate...

Obviously we can now start discussion like "is there any difference between EU and USSR?" or "is Ukraine a real country?" but maybe not in that thread.

For now problem is like this: Russia is trying to preserve current status quo till will gather enough power to grab what She things belongs to her. And because of that on Poland east frontier there is dictatorship in Belarus and always in some troubles Ukraine. And this is just not good for the bussiness. And no, unfortunatelly Poland can't let it go. Because putting aside all big fears about Poland own independence, in the current state of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine in Russia means, that for every little thing, even for changing little bolt, one would have to go to Moscow, and this is even worse for bussiness.

PS. err... my English... I know, pls don't crucify me :-)