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Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

No attempt to bring her to justice was made until the 1990s.

When communism ended you idiot ? in 1989!

Wolińska moved to England in 1968 to avoid Polish anti-semitism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Wolińska-Brus

Helena Wolińska-Brus (1919-2008) (born as Fajga Mindla Danielak) was a former military prosecutor from Poland, involved in Stalinist regime show trials of the 1950s.She has been implicated in the arrests - and in some cases deaths - of key figures in Poland's anti-Nazi resistance.

Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry so why Poles fight the war against Soviets in 1920 ? If your version was true ... Poles should welcome Soviets with flowers in 1920 ...

Why Poles have been invaded by Soviets in 1939?

Why there was need to false election results after WWII
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

You can argue about semantics if you want to but to most people a concentration camp which is run by Poles, guarded by Poles, managed by Poles and exists at the order of a Polish government which is made up of Poles is simply a Polish concentration camp.

Soviet/Russian National Anthem - Techno Version!
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Now, please name the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish".

I don't know anny Polish concentration camps but surly in camps established by NKVD one of commanders was Morel.

.. boo hoo, who bankrupted the Soviets?

Americans.

Kukliński helped you a lot.

Kuklinski

A placard with a dedication to Ryszard Kukliński in Warsaw.

Kukliński is buried in the honour row of the Powązki military cemetery in Warsaw, and has been given honorary citizenship of several Polish cities, among which most notable are Kraków and Gdańsk.

You marched on the Czechs, okay? You and the Bear.

As long as we weren't free ... and people wanted Czechs to win ... we haven't marched on them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryszard_Siwiec

Ryszard Siwiec (1909-September 12, 1968) was a Polish accountant, teacher and former Home Army soldier who was the first person to commit suicide by self-immolation in protest against the Soviet-led invasion of Czechoslovakia. He set himself ablaze in Warsaw during a national harvest festival on September 8, 1968 at the Dziesięciolecia Stadium

Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry this communist from west Germany would behave in the same way:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

but they were in miniority in western German ... if west Germany was given for Soviets they would act as commies in all countries.

Why Poland has been sold for Soviets ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry this stroy is not about the Jews ... but I have mentioned many names just to make this debate more interesting. I don't think that communism was Jewish conspiracy.

From the other hand we can see that for sure ethnic back ground wasn't barrer in career in Stalinist Poland...

This debate is about what have happend in sold by Allies for communist who in free Poland had no chances.
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

Poland has been sold in Yalta by Allies. 500 000 of Polish people were arrested.

You can't claim this camps to be Polish as long as Poland was Sovied occupied.

Maybe you claim American prisons in Iraq to be Iraqis :)
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry I love this debate :)

I like debate you provoke but just read first link you posted.

ipn.gov.pl/portal/en/2/71
First words:

Response by the State of Israel to the application for the extradition of Salomon Morel and a report by Dr. Adam Dziurok and Prosecutor Andrzej Majcher on the subject of Salomon Morel and the history and operation of the camp at Świętochłowice-Zgoda.

:)))
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry you are povocartive and you are looking for excuse to use "Polish concentration camp"

I am realy sorry but this camps are offcialy called "Stalinist camps" because they were operated by Stalinists from different countries with different ethnic background.

Camps from WWII :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

UNESCO change the official name of Auschwitz from "Auschwitz Concentration Camp" to "former Nazi German concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau" in order to make clearer that the concentration camp was built and operated by the Germans.

Lets stick to official names of this camps. This issues has been debated by UNESCO. You can take your lies with you. You can writte to UNESCO and use your debate skills :)
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

You are manipulative and provocative but we play in one team. :)

Poles just decided to make use of the existing facilities.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

Between 1944-1956 Berman was a member of Politbiuro of Polish United Workers' Party (PUWP) responsible for Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (State Security Services), propaganda, and ideology. In this capacity he was directly responsible for Stalinist-type terror and repressions against real and imagined political opponents of the communist regime in Poland. Urząd Bezpieczeństwa prosecution of ex-Home Army members, Roman Catholic Church clergy, and purges in the military, resulted in at least 6,000 death sentences, imprisonment and prosecuction of estimated 500,000 Polish patriots.

Berman is brother of Adolf Berman, a Zionist activist.

Now, please name the men who ran the Polish concentration camps and who now "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

In 1998, an extradition request for Morel was rejected by Israel. A reply sent to the Polish Justice Ministry from Israeli authorities said that Israel would not extradite Mr Morel .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Wolińska-Brus

Helena Wolińska-Brus (1919-2008) (born as Fajga Mindla Danielak) was a former military prosecutor from Poland, involved in Stalinist regime show trials of the 1950s.She has been implicated in the arrests - and in some cases deaths - of key figures in Poland's anti-Nazi resistance. From 1999-2008, Poland had been seeking the extradition of Wolińska from the United Kingdom to stand trial in Poland.

Wolińska was born in a Polish Jewish family in Warsaw.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Wolińska said she would not return to "the country of Auschwitz and Birkenau", claiming she would not receive fair trial in Poland. Despite her involvement in Stalinist-era crimes she called to forget that period in her life and, in her own words, "not to disrupt her with this silly prosecution"

Of course there were oppositionists with Jewish origin, and "ethnic" Polish commies.
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

This little pig Harry wants to connect after WWII commie camps with WWII German camps.

Non of them were Polish. Ask those who sold Poland in Yalta about this post WWII Soviet camps build by NKVD and by right Stalins hand in Poland - Jakub Berman.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

As to WWII camps they were German operated.

Don't feed Harry.
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

From first page of this debate:

It is 1918 ... There was no Poland on maps for more than 100 years

In Lviv the Ukrainian residents enthusiastically supported the proclamation, the city's significant Jewish minority accepted or remained neutral towards the Ukrainian proclamation, while the Polish majority was shocked to find themselves in a proclaimed Ukrainian state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Brystiger

She was the daughter of a Jewish pharmacist from Stryj. In 1920 she graduated from a high school in Lwow; later, she studied history at the Lwow University. In 1920, she married a Zionist activist Natan (Nathan) Brystiger[2], and a year later she give birth to a son Michal.

After the joint Nazi and Soviet attack on Poland, Brystiger accepted Soviet Union citizenship and became an active member of the Soviet administration. She created the so-called Committee of Political Prisoners, which helped the NKVD to imprison several members of prewar Polish opposition movements . She was denouncing people on such scale, that she antagonized even Communist party members.

The whole problem is that this people were sooooooo Polish ... but it is another discussion.
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

No need to argue. Just post the names of the Jews who you claim ran the Polish concentration camps and now live in Israel. Either that or admit that you were lying, yet again.

MOREL (GOOGLE IT)

But more Polish people co-operated with the regime than fought against it.

:)))))))))))))))) That is why Poland won war agains Soviets in 1920.

Good to see you falling back to argument number two (i.e. if you can’t blame the Jews, blame the British).

No no no. Marek Edelman is Polish hero.

Berman is monster. Wolińska the murder of anti Nazi Polish leaders avoided extradtiton using her ethnic origin. The same as Morel.
Prince   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry I am not going to argue about this camps. Poland was Soviet occupied ... as Afhganisan was in 80's many soldiers continued fight against comunist regime. Poland was sold by allies 500 000 Polish patriots were closed in prisons after actions made by Berman who ordered to build camps.

You can call this camps as you want.

Many commies were Jews it is simple fact. It doesn't change fact that there were commies of all origins.

Morel was siting in Israel. Wolińska in London... and defended themselfs using their ethnic origin.

It is not anti-semitism it is Polish history.
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

what is your point then?

My point is that post WWII Poland was hard place to live for smashing majority of people.

But if somebody was commie could have good life ... being Jew or Pole. The other fact is that this system was imposed on Poland by Red Army.

what do Ukrainians have to do with this topic now

You haven't "catched" it :) Maybe it is better.
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

still:)

It is not my motive to prove that Jews were more commie or less commie.

so what are you trying to prove here? That Jewish people had opportunities, or were cruel, full of hate nation who wanted to get back at Poles for all the years of anti-semitism, suffering or just plainly out of spite?It is not enough to quite the statistics. You need to show the relevance to the argument here:)

I don't agree with your statement but it very interesting to see your interpertation. So it is in your opinion the reason of Morels special love towards Ukrainians ?
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

It seems that some people have problem with history. There were communist Poles. They were miniority. In pre WWII Poland they were in miniority after WWII communism was imposed on Poland. Camps were build by NKVD and some commies of all origins :) operated them.

When we look on ethnic origin of this people we can clearly say that being Jew wasn't barrer in career in comunist Poland.

It is part of Polish history and Harry you should face it.
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Why you call me anti-semite ? I show you person who organised terror in post WWII Poland and camps you have mentioned. Of course there were "ethnic Polich commies"

You can find communist party in modern France.

Commies before WWII were miniority among whole Polish population.

When we look on Jews in pre WWII Poland

According to Jaff Schatz's summary of Jewish participation in the prewar Polish communist movement:

Throughout the whole interwar period, Jews constituted a very important segment of the Communist movement. According to Polish sources and to Western estimates, the proportion of Jews in the KPP [the Communist Party of Poland] was never lower than 22 percent. In the larger cities, the percentage of Jews in the KPP often exceeded 50 percent and in smaller cities, frequently over 60 percent. Given this background, a respondent's statement that "in small cities like ours, almost all Communists were Jews," does not appear to be a gross exaggeration.

It is part of history. It is not anti semitism. Not all Jews were commies. Marek Edelman is Polish hero.
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

And then rule by Poles at the order of Polish governments which were made up of Poles.

Two of commanders were ethnic Poles but it doesn't change annything. Communism was imposed on Poland by Soviets. Communists were in all european countries. Today there is communist party in France or Italy. It doesn't change the fact that some people escaped to Israel (Morel) or UK (Wolińska) and claimed to be vicitmes of anti semit plot even they particpated in this terror.

Without betrayal in Yalta there was no chances for communism in Poland.

The best prove war in 1920 when Poland beaten Soviet Union and smashing majority of Polish citizens supported Poland not this international idea of communism.
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry of course there were commies of all origins in communist party.

Communist had minimal support in Poland but Soviet Army was in our country ...

Anny way when we talk about post war Poland and anit semitism.

Some personalities show us that communist Jews were making career in post war Poland. One even organised camps you have mentioned. (of course not all people with Jewish origin were commies)

But when we talk about achievments of Polish Jews ... everybody talks about Jews.

When we talk about crimes ... they are Poles ... of course they claim to be Jews when somebody wants trial and extradition for them.

I am referring to the concentration camps

They were set up by NKVD.
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

I have been talking about Morel who have been living in Israel.

She defended herself as victim of anti semite plot.

Helena Wolińska-Brus (1919-2008) (born as Fajga Mindla Danielak) was a former military prosecutor from Poland, involved in Stalinist regime show trials of the 1950s. She has been implicated in the arrests - and in some cases deaths - of key figures in Poland's anti-Nazi resistance. From 1999-2008, Poland had been seeking the extradition of Wolińska from the United Kingdom to stand trial in Poland. The official charges against her were initiated by the Commission for Investigating Crimes against the Polish Nation. Wolińska was accused of being an "accessory to a court murder,"

Wolińska was born in a Polish Jewish family in Warsaw.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Wolińska said she would not return to "the country of Auschwitz and Birkenau", claiming she would not receive fair trial in Poland. Despite her involvement in Stalinist-era crimes she called to forget that period in her life and, in her own words, "not to disrupt her with this silly prosecution"

Jakub Berman organised this camps ... there is much more examples.

Tell me Harry how it was possible for this people to make career in post war Poland ?
Prince   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry

Tell me one thing. How this discriminated Jews could be commanders in "concentration camps" ? You like to talk about after WWII pogroms and so on.

Tell me why this people could make carrer in Poland :

He orgainsied this all camps: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

Between 1944-1956 Berman was a member of Politbiuro of Polish United Workers' Party (PUWP) responsible for Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (State Security Services), propaganda, and ideology. In this capacity he was directly responsible for Stalinist-type terror and repressions against real and imagined political opponents of the communist regime in Poland. Urząd Bezpieczeństwa prosecution of ex-Home Army members, Roman Catholic Church clergy, and purges in the military, resulted in at least 6,000 death sentences, imprisonment and prosecuction of estimated 500,000 Polish patriots.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Różański

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatol_Fejgin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Brystiger

Julia Brystiger (nee Prajs), born November 25, 1902 in Stryj, died November 9, 1975 in Warsaw, was a Polish Communist activist and a member of the Stalinist apparatus. She was also known as Julia Brystygier, Bristiger, Brustiger, Briestiger, Brystygierowa, Bristigierowa, and by her nicknames Luna, Bloody Luna, Daria, Ksenia, Maria. The nickname Bloody Luna was a direct reference of her Gestapo-like methods during interrogations

After the joint Nazi and Soviet attack on Poland, Brystiger accepted Soviet Union citizenship and became an active member of the Soviet administration. She created the so-called Committee of Political Prisoners, which helped the NKVD to imprison several members of prewar Polish opposition movements . She was denouncing people on such scale, that she antagonized even Communist party members

Where is Harry ?

This person is responsible for post WWII terror and he organised this all camps:

Between 1944-1956 Berman was a member of Politbiuro of Polish United Workers' Party (PUWP) responsible for Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (State Security Services), propaganda, and ideology. In this capacity he was directly responsible for Stalinist-type terror and repressions against real and imagined political opponents of the communist regime in Poland. Urząd Bezpieczeństwa prosecution of ex-Home Army members, Roman Catholic Church clergy, and purges in the military, resulted in at least 6,000 death sentences, imprisonment and prosecuction of estimated 500,000 Polish patriots.

Berman is brother of Adolf Berman, a Zionist activist.

so Harry how this people mentioned by me could make carrer in Poland.

What is your opinion on this issue ?

I am waiting for your answer.