History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


JulietEcho was talking generally and you focused on specific actions of individuals. Yes Brits fought in Poland but they were the few that slipped through the Stalin Ass kissing net cast by the allies. The British Government did not make any official order to send in British troops to help Poles fend off the germans or the russians. They, one way or another found themselves fighting with the Poles - bravely -and gave their lives. The allies failed to stop the slaughter of 250,000 men women and children during the Warsaw uprising. 9000 children died in 60 days. Read below.

warsawuprising.com/paper/times_online.htm

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History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


Every country including Poland had it's social problems - the Brits expelled their Jews a long time ago - but neither murdered...

There was no need for Poland to merge/join forces with Germany because germany was already stealing Polands ideas anyway:)

By 1938 Poland had one of the most advanced (first all metal) fighter aircraft. They could not extract the power they wanted from the engine and so to keep up with the german competition, they bent the wings to strengthem them and allowed the plane to dive, which increased it's speed and made it more effective in catching german planes.

Later the stuker dive bomber appeared. Hmmmm...

...same when the Polish bomber was made in the early 30's. The Polish Bomber was launched and then the German bomber appeared afterwards. Hmmmmm...

Here is the Polish fighter & Polish Bomber and below them the German ripoff...

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History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


By this I presume you mean that Hitler ordered 7 german criminals to be shot and dressed as Polish soldiers in order to fake a Polish attack on the German radio station as an excuse to invade Poland????????

Blitzkreig was also rippedoff by the Germans. During WW1 Poland had also been forced to fight in the trenches during her occupation and suffered the slow advances of trench warfare. After the war Germany, France and England were exhausted but Poland and Russia were up fighting eachother again in 1920. The Polish forces learned lessons from the trenches and now wanted a new form of quick warfare to strike at the heart of the invading russian army, now close to Warsaw. The Poles were light and mobile and surrounded the russian forces very quickly, confusing them and suddenly defeating them. Charles de Gaulle was a young officer fighting with the Poles and was very impressed by this new method of fighting and wandered what it would be like motorised. He wrote a document on it . Later Hitler read this and put it to action. Hmmm...


Gdansk or "Danzig" is not a German city. It was taken by Germany for a while but it was returned. Here is a map of the area around 1000AD showing the original borders of Poland - pretty much as they are today. Pomerania (Pomorze) meaning by the sea in Polish was inhabited by slavic kashubians and Prussia in the east was inhabited by slavic pagans who worshiped the snake.

Just in case you didn't know.

Click image to enlarge

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History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Can you give an example when Nikolayevich put his theory in action before 1920?
Before Piłsudski there was only trench warfare. Nikolayevich learned from Piłsudski as did DeGaulle

"The most important role, however, was assigned to a relatively small, approximately 20,000-man, newly assembled "Reserve Army" (also known as the "Strike Group," "Grupa Uderzeniowa"), comprising the most determined, battle-hardened Polish units and commanded personally by Piłsudski. Their task was to spearhead a lightning northward offensive, from the Vistula-Wieprz triangle south of Warsaw, through a weak spot identified by Polish intelligence between the Soviet Western and Southwestern Fronts"

"Piłsudski's plan was strongly criticized, and only the desperate situation of the Polish forces persuaded other commanders to go along with it. Though based on reliable intelligence, including decrypted Soviet radio communications, the plan was termed "amateurish" by high-ranking army officers and military experts who were quick to point out Piłsudski's lack of formal military education. When a copy of the plan fell into Soviet hands, Soviet commander Mikhail Tukhachevsky thought it a ruse and disregarded it."

Poland defeated Russia in 1920 thanks to Piłsudski's "lightning offensive" the first of it's kind and a precursor of the Wehrmacht's Blitzkrieg

History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


If my rented 4 bedroom house is taken over by 4 germans - the house is full
of germans - but it's still MY house :):):)


I said Poland invented Blitzkrieg - not developed Blitzkrieg. Ok - lets see:-

The UK persuaded Poland to send one third of her troops on leave just before the invasion so as not to provoke Hitler.

Germany was more industrialised and mechanised. It developed it's army secretly in violation of previous agreements.

It invaded Poland with no warning and Poland had no time to react - and when she did she was knifed in the back by Russia.

German soldiers used human shields (women and children) when they could not get through Polish defenses and prevented Polish counter attacks.

ENOUGH for ya old boy????

However - despite all this - the Polish tackticks were still apparent:-

"The Polish cavalry charge impressed the Germans and caused a delay in the offensive of the German 20th Motorised Infantry Division which considered a tactical retreat. This was however prevented by personal intervention of Gen. Guderian, who in his memoirs stated that he encountered his staff wearing helmets, preparing an anti-tank gun for a possible Polish cavalry attack, and that the panic of the first day of war was overcome quickly."

The german army had the advantage of surprise - otherwise they would have been routed by the Polish forces:);):0


If you want to play that game - FINE!

We both know that human civilisation came from Africa:);) Humans travelled from Africa up to Europe - through Europe and up to Scandinavia.

We both know that the Germanic tribes came down from Scandinavia:):) However - as your little map shows, the red area shows settlement from the north @ approx 750BC:):)

Therefore before 750BC there were no germanic tribes in the area which is now Poland:):) and yet human civilization had passed there previously:):) on the way up to Scandinavia. Right? So who was there before the Germanic tribes came down and drove them to the east around 500BC? YES - YOU ARE CORRECT - SLAVS! LOL!

Otherwise you are saying that human civilisation travelled up to Scandinavia, developed into germanics and then came back down to Europe to find a completely empty Europe and just strolled in - becuase there was nothing but germanic tribes in Euriope around that time. GAGAGooGAAOO~#@~~##


No but Lubeck and Rostock used to be:)


Every pack has to have a joker LLLOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!!

History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


So why did London guarantee Polands independents just before WWII - and give her false hope - and suggest that she had something to fight for?

The Polish troops in London begged the UK generals to be parachuted close to warsaw so they could help the warsaw uprising but UK lot refused so as not to upset Stalin. Generally thats what JulietEcho is banging on about. I assume she does not have the time/energy to aknowledge/appreciate/thank every brit that ended up somehow fighting (bravely) in Poland (even thought they deserve it). Brits fighting in poland were mostly shot down airmen, escapees from german camps and troops on missions who got trapped there etc. (still brave men)

History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


Absolutely - you know those germans are very pushy tenants:) I beleive they do the same with deck chairs and poolside chairs:)


Thats because its a map showing G-E-R-M-A-N-I-C tribe movements.
Also, as the germs moved in the Slavs moved out. The slav tribes in the area of modern day Poland were called polonian slavs cos they farmed the planes (pole in polish) of central Poland, which was named after the planes - hence 'Polonia'. TADAAA!!!!

The Polonians were tall lethargic peoples and were not that bothered for a fight so scarpered when the big hairy germanics turned up on their doorstep going "uga booga!!!"


yees I know...red was around 750BC, orangy colour around 500BC-1AD etc. This merely shows the grounds gained by the germs from the slavs.


No - some Russian guy was trying to kill my grandpa cos he lived in eastern poland.
Not still fighting the war - just prejudice.
Poland never loses - just goes underground for a while only to emerge again with it's honour and dignity intact.

Look I have maps too! :)
1) Inhabitants going back to 700BC
2) Slavic genetics aroung Europa (50% around modern day Poland) could quite possibly be controlling share me thinks :)

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History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


This must be on another forum title cos there is nothing about that on this forum title.


I dunno. Do you?
I'm talking in context of the whole WWII and you focus on specific things. You are preventing a debate here. All we know about is Dunkirk.


The Poles had their own aircraft which escaped and were parked up in Romania.
It was the man power that was denied.


Again - we both know that but Churchill was half the equation.


There are monuments to the fallen all around warsaw including brits. In the large park just east of the river is a monument to an RAF crew shot down and killed during WWII.

This is obvious and cannot be denied - and she knows that. She is debating in the whole context of WWII. Poland was sold out - you can't deny that.

PS. The truth about Sikorski's death was locked away in a secret file for X amount of years after WWII for resons of national security. Fare enough. Just recently this time expired and the Polish Government wanted the file from the Brits. The Brits extended the secret file for another 70 years - with no explanation or reason. Why?

History / The restoration of Polish cities from WW2 destruction [118]

These towns were in Germany before the war and were full of Germans. When the Russians advanced to Germany these towns were bombarded and destroyed to get rid of the German soldiers - just like Gdansk. Legnica was on the way to Dresden one of the main Russian advances. Legnica was shelled by Russians - Dresden was bombed by bomber harris to path the way for Red army. After the war these towns were already rubble - including Wroclaw. It's quote probable that the rubble was taken to Warsaw but warsaw had plently of rubble of it's own. The huge stadium over the river was made from rubble from the city. warsaw was not lacking in rubble.

A German general who was based in Krakow did not agree to the sensless distruction of the city and ignored hitlers order. Warsaw was not considered an important historical city.

Life / 80% of Polish people are boring or can't party, why? [179]


It sounds like you are basing this whole debate on one experience you had and taring the whole coutry with the same brush!?
Wake up! Poland is the party capital of Europe. This is a well known fact. Have you been to a Polish wedding? Barn dance? City night club? They have the hottest women! The wildest parties! The heaviest fights! The craziest party games! Are we talking about the same country?!

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]


I wish you could do that in UK. I would get my stuff a lot quicker.

Genealogy / Does anyone have any relatives who served with 1st Polish Armoured Division (Gen. Maczek) [310]

A gift to you. You are abviously too ignorant to know about this. This Swedish band will educate you about typical Polish military mentality.

720 normal infantry with only rifles took on - and held
42,000 Wermacht Nazis for 3 days - who had 350 tanks, 657 mortars/howitzers and AERIAL SUPPORT!

The official record:

9,000 German casualties.
680 Polish Casualties.

General Guaderian wrote in his diary that there were only 9 German dead.
It is beleived that 9,000 German casualties was underestimated. More like
27,000 - hence the legend 40:1



As a bonus - this same band perform 40:1 in front of 70,000 Germans at a rock
concert. Sweet.

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noimmigration - I just can't wait to hear your response...:) (you twat)

Travel / Only in Poland - about unique things and customs [9]

New Year's Eve in Zakopane

Life / Reasons for moving to Poland [291]

When you enter a shop or train carriage - everyone says, "good day" -
and when you leave, everyone says, "goodbye/see you" :)


I was in Poland when it was -27. Never had so much fun in my life! I walked on a frozen Baltic sea! Was kept very warm by beautiful local girls by roaring fires in quaint dark bars until 5am. Buses, trains and cars were all working normally. Every 10 minutes we had to pop into a shop to warm up - otherwise we would have frozen. "Can I help you sir?" - "Oh - just looking". The inside of your nose freezes - and feels weird. The people are warmer - when it's colder :)

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [901]


Not so straight forward is it? - but very emotional as you can see. But for you - a what if scenario... but first -


The UK end of the deal was: In the case of a German invasion, the UK would do everything in it's power to help Poland. The UK and Franch were both much stronger and richer than Poland. UK had the largest navy. Franch had the largest army/defenses on the Planet. People were aware that war was looming for a long time. Time enough to be reasonably prepared. I doubt very much that the outbrake of war was a 'surprise'.


Someone has the set an example of how it's done - otherwise the whole of humanity will eventually go up your ass!

Dunkirk - both France and UK outnumbered by 2:1 held the Germans for 10 days and fled.

Westerplatte - Poles outnumbered 20:1 hold the Germans for 7 days, still able to fight but run out of ammo.
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Here are the French half-heartedly attacking the Germans on the Western front and retreating. And yes they did drop leaflets at first! Not very usefull (for facks sakes).

The Poles are then seen counter attacking the Germans with cavalry support. More usefull.
(Note* No German tanks.)
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The French could have held the Germans in the west like the Poles held them in the East -
if they were the same calibre of fighter as the Pole. Here is a typical example of the Polish fighting mentality, tenacity and heroism. Poles outnumbered 58:1! Held back the Germans.

youtube.com/watch?v=AoQj8GGHNxU

The French could have done the same and allowed the Poles to complete and unleash the Wolf - which was in production.
youtube.com/watch?v=thFecaq-dfk&feature=related

The Hawk which was in production
youtube.com/watch?v=Nr4ky-UGTm4&feature=related

The Los Polish bomber (produced before the Heinkel) was being refitted but a few
got into the air to bomb the Germans
youtube.com/watch?v=HIPEuXHydvM&feature=related

The first plane to have twin wheels becuase of the extra large bomb bay
youtube.com/watch?v=JkaJy3XJf2g&feature=related

Are we saying that Poland was more advanced than the UK and France? Did the allies not have these capabilities on the western front?

Just imagine - what if the French and the Brits showed the same conviction, dedication, foresight as the Poles. Compared to the UK and France, Poland was nothing, but look how they fought! How long do you think the war would have lasted if France and the UK did the same?

If only they had helped. If only they had fought. If only.

We know a song about that don't we? :) ;)
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UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Poland was reading Enigma messages in the early 30's when Enigma was used for business prposes in Germany. Poles kept cracked the enigma code until the war broke out and simply passed on the craking formula to the Brits. It would have taken the Brits 1-2 years to crack the code at this advaced stage. Enough time for Hitler to complete his A Bomb. :)

UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [437]



The arrogance is spectacular.
So you think tourism means going to an ancient city full of churches - a place considered sacred by Poles - and getting pissed with yer mates, mocking locals because they can't speak English, pulling your trousers down and mooning nuns, urinating up a 1000 year old church, acting like animals with zero repect for your surroundings and host culture - because you think you are better - you have the right to do this - because you are British.

You don't get it - and unfortunately you never will.


...oh and look at what other threads Miss Natalie E has been replying to...

Do you think that Polish people are rude?
Are Polish girls "gold diggers"?

Nataliee
Oh yes they.You should of seen that one coming. They are arrogant penny pinching, disrespectful gold diggers. I have had a polish friend who i had to get rid of she tryed to use my house like a hotel when i let her stay here once. Then lost her mind and got really angry at me when i cut her off because of it i think she thought she had me pegged as a permantant place to use as a hotel for her and her bf when she was in england. I have also had a polish female lodger who told me she was going to pay me £50 less rent a month because i removed my own vacum from the house, which i left in the beginning out of kindness for a month or 2!

Oh and yesterday i got told off in my local cafe by some nasty Polish girl because she charged me £2.40 for a sandwich instead of £2.65 which was her fault...Rather than just leave it she chased me out of the cafe and looked at me in discust before banning me from the cafe i have used for 15 years!! Over 25p!!!!! which i would of happily given her if she had asked me for it at the till!!

Your Lucky she diddnt get your house..I dont think they like us at all they just want our money..Keep away from them.

...MMMMMEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! LOL!!

Looks like you've been busted.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


it's all myths right? Suck on this for a while.

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both wives lost children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners.

Both successors were named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are comprised of fifteen letters.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named "Kennedy".
Kennedy was shot in a car called "Lincoln".

Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Marilyn Monroe

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [393]

The performance of the Polish army in any future conflict will depend on one thing only.
To what extent they are betrayed.

In 1939, geographically Poland was already surrounded before the war even started.

It was already partitioned by 2 great powers - because both great powers thought it necessary to "gang up" on Poland in order to win.

Before Russia attacked in 1939, Hitler had not yet defeated Poland. Poland was planning a big counter offensive, by which time they were prepared and not jumped on from behind.

After Wizno, Westerplatte, Mlawa, Krojanty the German army were shitting themselves. So were the Russians. But together they could win.

youtube.com/watch?v=AoQj8GGHNxU

General Guedarian said that if every Polish soldier was like this - we stand no chance.

I refer you back to Ben above.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [393]


So why didn't they?

So why did Stalin wait for the Germans to go first? 1920 maybe?
So why did Hitler insist on his deal with Russia before invading Poland?
Because he was shi*ting himself. He knew the Poles had this, amongst others.



Fortunately for Hitler he got there just before mass production.

Remember in 1939 Germans equipment was not that of 1942. The vast portion of german army was horse drawn.

I'll say it one more time.

The performance of the Polish army in any future conflict will depend on one thing only.
To what extent they are betrayed.

Once upon a time a story was written - for even simpletons to understand.

So David volunteered to fight Goliath. It took some persuasion, but King Saul finally agreed to let David fight against the giant. Dressed in his simple tunic, carrying his shepherd's staff, slingshot and a pouch full of stones, David approached Goliath. The giant cursed at him, hurling threats and insults.

As Goliath moved in for the kill, David reached into his bag and slung one of his stones at Goliath's head. Finding a hole in the armor, the stone sank into the giant's forehead and he fell face down on the ground. David then took Goliath's sword, killed him and then cut off his head.

You see, if David was betrayed, then the story would have ended differently.

When we put things in proper perspective, we see more clearly and we can fight more effectively,

You are so by the book.

Who won the Vietnam War?
Who beat Russians in Afganistan?
(Who blew up the death star?) :)
Sorry to wake you.

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


It doesn't matter.
The battle of good over evil is eternal.
Good will always win in the end :)


Most of the ghetto area had been distroyed before 1944. Quite possibly some buildings remained. One street remains today.


How do you know?


This is something you read that Torq posted. How do you know it's true?


PS. Germans openly murdered children in front of their parents.
Mankind has not yet invented a bomb that distinguishes a child from an adult.

The Germans asked for it. The Poles did not. Simple.

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

This 3 year old was the responsibility of the German adults - whom asked for it. Simple.


...like a scratched record...you getting booooring now.



Gdansk was created by a Slavic Monk. The first Polish King made Gdansk Polish before the
Hanseatic League took over, then the Prussians, then finally the Germans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [393]


In 1939, German army relied heavily on horses. They did not have the Panzer tanks yet. Yes it was more industrialised but not to extent of later in war.

Poland had just defeated the RED ARMY - remember (1920) .Germany had just been crushed. Hitler was glad Pilsudski (inventer of "Lightning War" was dead I can tell you that. (no I am not comparing RED army to Hitler) just pointing out psychological points scored.

Hitler did not know which Polish military projects were failures/successes.
Hitler was taking a calculated gamble and yes it was in his favour.

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Travel / Is Poland worth visiting? [35]


The only problem is - they know that too :(

History / How much Poles trust to France? [93]


Napoleon wanted a platform from which to launch his attack on Russia and also he wanted to take advantage of the elite Polish soldiers which he considrered the best. Thats why he created a free Poland. Self interest.

Marie SKlodowska just happened to marry a french man. He could have been from anywhere really.
(btw - no kids know about her here in UK. They only know how to do drugs and stab each other)

Chopin was born in Poland - just happened to have a french father who himself lived in Poland since age 16 and faught in the Polish army.

gave shelter to Polish exiles
Most of the free world gave shelter to Polish exiles - mainly USA (Chicago)

History / How much Poles trust to France? [93]

I - work - in - schools.

2nd thing is I dont think your English is good enough to detect irony or sarcasam,as,if you actually read what I wrote,instead of reading what you "THINK" I wrote you would see I was pointing out how close historically France and Poland have been.............

bless...........................

but hey ho,crack on with the "all brits are thick and all poles are superior" attitude while
did I say that?

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


YYAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNN!!!! Sorry just read your reply.

I did not say they were not Germans - merely three stages in "German people's" history

The Hanseatic Leage first took Polish lands around 1400 ish - Germany did not exist then.
Then Prussia Took some more Polish lands around 1600 ish - Germany did not exist then.

Then GERMANY was born around 1870 ish - and the GERMANS took more Polish Lands.

Do I have to spell EVERYTHING out?

(PS - Lubeck was originally a Slavic settlement)


Harry - how do you know this? Anything but first hand knowledge does not justify your claims. So - justify your claims - or shut the fack up. Theres a good boy.


- the warsaw ghetto WAS flattened after the Jewish uprising. The second uprising was the main one which took part in the rest of warsaw which was STILL STANDING.

Love / What's the way to seduce a Polish girl ? [64]

If she goes home with you it's because she likes you - she will make you feel that you have 'seduced' her becuase she wants you - and she doesn't want to come accross as a slut.

Men think they have all the power over women.

News / Polish people humiliated in the latest episode of Family Guy [51]

It's like a boxing ring. A ring of insults.

It depends how how many rounds you have been in that ring.
How many times you have been knocked to the ground.
How many stiches you have to your eyes.
How much blood has been soaked up from your face.
How many taunts you have had from the crowd

In the first few rounds - you can take the punches - yeh no problem. And again. And again.

Poland is in the 12th round. The slightest jab now begins to hurt.

The manager is brainwashed. The ref has been paid off.

PS - these programme makers are cowards. They make fun of people and hide behind the pretense
that "oh - it's only comedy" and rely on the fact that others will laugh at you for taking it seriously.

History / Why did communism in Poland fail? [180]

The communist - IDEA - is actually quite good.

Every one earns the same amount. All public services, transport and entertainment are free.

There will be no cases of local councillors or BBC exectuties earning 2-3 times that of the
prime minister for doing feck all. No football players making 80K a week for kicking a ball ( not
even that in some cases) etc

Communism failed because of human greed and paranoia. The people at the top started skimming and became
corrupt.